[gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Felix Miata
I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed, especially someone who has just gotten a new installation up for the first times. Why isn't --noclear set by default? Once I set this and rebooted I

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-08 Thread Meino . Cramer
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com [15-08-08 05:43]: On Friday, August 07, 2015 9:44:50 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [15-08-07 20:04]: On Friday 07 Aug 2015 04:27:15 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:18:59 PM

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Mick
On Saturday 08 Aug 2015 07:57:29 Felix Miata wrote: I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed, especially someone who has just gotten a new installation up for the first times. Why isn't

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 08, 2015 2:57:29 AM Felix Miata wrote: I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed, especially someone who has just gotten a new installation up for the first times. Why

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Felix Miata
Fernando Rodriguez composed on 2015-08-08 03:43 (UTC-0400): Felix Miata wrote: I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed, especially someone who has just gotten a new installation up for

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:45:06 AM Felix Miata wrote: Fernando Rodriguez composed on 2015-08-08 03:43 (UTC-0400): Felix Miata wrote: I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed,

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:55:03 AM Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:45:06 AM Felix Miata wrote: Fernando Rodriguez composed on 2015-08-08 03:43 (UTC-0400): Felix Miata wrote: I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 05:13:06 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: To remove safely now you should run: emerge --deselect dev-haskell/hostname followed by: emerge --depclean That will remove it only if it's not needed by some other package. Or emerge --depclean --ask --verbose

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 02:57:29 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed, especially someone who has just gotten a new installation up for the first times. Why isn't

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 08/08/2015 14:23, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 05:13:06 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: To remove safely now you should run: emerge --deselect dev-haskell/hostname followed by: emerge --depclean That will remove it only if it's not needed by some other package. Or emerge

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 20:32:48 -0500, J. Rutkowski wrote: There was no installer other than the handbook. There was the former Gentoo installer project [1] but it was discontinued in 2009. The source is still available [2] You have taken my statement out of context. It looks like I was

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 08/08/2015 14:26, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 02:57:29 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed, especially someone who has just gotten a new

[gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread James
J. Rutkowski jrtk at kow.io writes: There was no installer other than the handbook. OOppssee there was I have several images:: livecd-amd64-installer-2008.0-r1.iso There was the former Gentoo installer project [1] but it was discontinued in 2009. The source is still available [2]

[gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-08, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed, especially someone who has just gotten a new installation up for the first times. Why

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:00:29 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Yep, I find it infuriating that by default all distros seem to go to great effort to hide as much information about the boot/startup process as possible. WTF? Do they think that stuff is top secret or something? Are they afraid

[gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread walt
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 19:41:27 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: The next big change is likely to be virtualizing openrc so that it can be uninstalled, and possibly not including it in the stage3, but that hasn't really even been seriously discussed. (Virtualizing it seems almost

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Mick
On Saturday 08 Aug 2015 18:02:00 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:00:29 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Yep, I find it infuriating that by default all distros seem to go to great effort to hide as much information about the boot/startup process as possible. WTF? Do they think

[gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread James
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards at gmail.com writes: I don't get why any distro leaves this out, why anyone wouldn't like to automatically notice while booting any announcement that something failed, especially someone who has just gotten a new installation up for the first times. Why

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 1:05 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 19:41:27 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: The next big change is likely to be virtualizing openrc so that it can be uninstalled, and possibly not including it in the stage3, but that hasn't really even

[gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread James
James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: there is *no we* in nix unless your or I step up. Fair enough! :: git clone --bare https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/gli.gitCloning into bare repository 'gli.git'... fatal: repository 'https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/gli.git/' not found It'd be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:41:27PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: So, I don't know if that makes you more or less worried, but nothing has really changed in the last year on the systemd front. The next big change is likely to be virtualizing openrc so that it can be uninstalled, and possibly

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Jc García
2015-08-08 11:02 GMT-06:00 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk: Gentoo doesn't hide it, it merely clears the screen once the boot has completed successfully. If the boot halts, you can see where and, usually, why it stopped. Try that with openUbundora. Most splash screens I've seen, can change

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Poison BL.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 08 Aug 2015 18:02:00 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:00:29 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Yep, I find it infuriating that by default all distros seem to go to great effort to hide as much

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Felix Miata
Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-08 18:02 (UTC+0100): On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:00:29 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Yep, I find it infuriating that by default all distros seem to go to great effort to hide as much information about the boot/startup process as possible. WTF? Do they think

[gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Jonathan Callen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/08/2015 01:37 PM, James wrote: James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: there is *no we* in nix unless your or I step up. Fair enough! :: git clone --bare https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/gli.gitCloning into bare repository

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Poison BL.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Poison BL. poiso...@gmail.com wrote: So it was prompted by a perceived security issue, but I would happily sit down with any of the DPOs involved in that to hear just how that little bandaid fixes any of the real security issues involved ;) -- Joshua M.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread Heiko Baums
Am 08.08.2015 um 19:05 schrieb walt: I just noticed that net-misc/netifrc installs two systemd service files, which puzzled me. Is this in preparation for virtualizing openrc? This is to provide systemd users with the corresponding service files like OpenRC users get the necessary init

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: I think this should actually be handled by USE=-systemd, and not by INSTALL_MASK. This was the subject of extensive discussion and a council decision. The rationale for not configuring the installing of small files via a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread Heiko Baums
Am 08.08.2015 um 21:30 schrieb Rich Freeman: This was the subject of extensive discussion and a council decision. The rationale for not configuring the installing of small files via a USE flag is that it would greatly increase the number of packages that would depend on that flag, and then

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am 08.08.2015 um 21:30 schrieb Rich Freeman: This was the subject of extensive discussion and a council decision. The rationale for not configuring the installing of small files via a USE flag is that it would greatly

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 08/08/2015 22:02, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am 08.08.2015 um 21:30 schrieb Rich Freeman: This was the subject of extensive discussion and a council decision. The rationale for not configuring the installing of small files

Re: [gentoo-user] why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 08, 2015 2:26:50 PM Alan McKinnon wrote: On 08/08/2015 14:23, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 05:13:06 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: To remove safely now you should run: emerge --deselect dev-haskell/hostname followed by: emerge --depclean That will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-08 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 08/08/2015 22:02, Rich Freeman wrote: It is recommended that users not set an INSTALL_MASK, so you won't have to rebuild anything if you don't do that. If you care that much about inodes I'd probably get rid of /usr/portage before /usr/lib/systemd. :) On the other

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 08, 2015 6:28:00 PM Mick wrote: On Saturday 08 Aug 2015 18:02:00 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 16:00:29 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: Yep, I find it infuriating that by default all distros seem to go to great effort to hide as much information about the

[gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread walt
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 15:21:07 -0400 Poison BL. poiso...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Poison BL. poiso...@gmail.com wrote: So it was prompted by a perceived security issue, but I would happily sit down with any of the DPOs involved in that to hear just how that little

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:21:12 -0600, Jc García wrote: Gentoo doesn't hide it, it merely clears the screen once the boot has completed successfully. If the boot halts, you can see where and, usually, why it stopped. Try that with openUbundora. Most splash screens I've seen, can change back

[gentoo-user] Re: why --noclear not set on tty1 in default /etc/inittab?

2015-08-08 Thread James
Jonathan Callen jcallen at gentoo.org writes: Until Sven updates his code to not use GuideXML, I have linked to his snapshots in my own devspace, under http://dev.gentoo.org/~jcallen/snapshots/. The snapshots go back to 2008-01-20, and are current to 2015-07-20. downloading now. thx James