Re: mailer "module" for 'eselect news' (Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?,

[lee]

Neil Bothwick  writes:

> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:20:50 +0100, lee wrote:
>
>> > #!/bin/sh
>> >
>> > if [ $( eselect news count new ) != "0" ]; then
>> >eselect news list | mail y...@wherever.you.are
>> >fi  
>> 
>> Thanks!  To actually read the news as email, I wrote this:
>> 
>> #!/usr/bin/perl
> [massive snip]
>
> What does this actually do? Does it separate each news item into a
> separate mail, which sounds a neat idea. If you just want all the news
> news items, you could replace "list" with "read new" in my
> script^H^H^H^H^^Hhack.

You can set it up either way, i. e. all in one email, or each item in
one, or several items in several mails, by setting $msglen.  I didn't
know there is 'read new' ...

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:01:30 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > I'm British, lost causes are a speciality.
> 
> lost causes like trying to get KMail-5 working?

Lost, not pointless, I gave up on KMail years ago!


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Cross a tagline and a tribble? You get a full HD...


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Re: mailer "module" for 'eselect news' (Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No)

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:20:50 +0100, lee wrote:

> > #!/bin/sh
> >
> > if [ $( eselect news count new ) != "0" ]; then
> >eselect news list | mail y...@wherever.you.are
> >fi  
> 
> Thanks!  To actually read the news as email, I wrote this:
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
[massive snip]

What does this actually do? Does it separate each news item into a
separate mail, which sounds a neat idea. If you just want all the news
news items, you could replace "list" with "read new" in my
script^H^H^H^H^^Hhack.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

 ... We are Dyslexics of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.


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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[J. Roeleveld]

On December 28, 2016 6:01:30 PM GMT+01:00, Alan McKinnon 
 wrote:
>On 28/12/2016 16:01, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:57:12 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> 
 As a native English speaking pedant, I would throw "a die" or "some
 dice" to decide, dice is the plural :P  
>>>
>>> So would I, fifty years ago. Not now though; that one's long since
>been 
>>> lost.
>> 
>> I'm British, lost causes are a speciality.
>> 
>> 
>
>lost causes like trying to get KMail-5 working?

That's actually not much of a lost cause.
It is actually working here.

And I even have a decent connection to office365 (needed for work as they think 
it's a good idea to use them). Akonadi:5 has a EWS module (still in testing) 
which works.

--
Joost


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 28/12/2016 16:01, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:57:12 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
>>> As a native English speaking pedant, I would throw "a die" or "some
>>> dice" to decide, dice is the plural :P  
>>
>> So would I, fifty years ago. Not now though; that one's long since been 
>> lost.
> 
> I'm British, lost causes are a speciality.
> 
> 

lost causes like trying to get KMail-5 working?

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 28/12/2016 16:58, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Hello, Neil.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 02:09:10PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> 
>> Don't forget split infinitives - the construct that is absolutely
>> forbidden, but no one knows why. I had a production editor who picked me
>> up every time I used one. I pointed out that that battle was lost as soon
>> as Star Trek became mainstream.
> 
> I have a theory about this.  If you write "we need to thoroughly think
> this through", what is the verb?  It tends to become "to
> thoroughlythink" rather than "to think".  This coupling of adverb and
> verb into a single word is probably undesirable.  Hence, no split
> infinitives, please.
> 
> For what it's worth, in German, when there's a "zu" (to) in front of an
> infinitive, it is _never_ separated by even the first part of a
> separable verb, never mind an adverb.


Well, German is a language after all, a real one with definite rules.

English is a mish-mash of any good (and sometimes not so good) ideas
that English people came into contact with. Oddly enough, of the 5 major
input sources to modern English, the smallest contribution is from
English itself. Go figure :-)

As for split infinitives, no-one familiar with types of words would ever
think "thoroughly" is a verb, it's an adverb. The verb is "to think".

English is there so speakers can use it to communicate, not so that
natural language parsers can have an easy time or grammarians can sit
smugly and "be correct". The people created English, let the people
decide what is proper


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

mailer "module" for 'eselect news' (Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No)

[lee]

Neil Bothwick  writes:

> On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:21:19 +0100, lee wrote:
>
>> >  Even more reasonable:
>> >
>> >  eselect news read new
>> >
>> > will only come up with the latest as yet unread news, rather than a
>> > long list which could have accumulated over the years.  
>> 
>> It seems to be clearing out the list automatically.
>> 
>> [1] says the mailer module of eselect was removed.  Is there a better
>> way to read them than with eselect?
>
> Put this script in /etc/portage/postsync.d and make it executable
>
> #!/bin/sh
>
> if [ $( eselect news count new ) != "0" ]; then
>eselect news list | mail y...@wherever.you.are
>fi

Thanks!  To actually read the news as email, I wrote this:


#!/usr/bin/perl
#
#
# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
# WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
# General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program.  If not, see .
#
#
# You may need to emerge dev-perl/Email-MIME and dev-perl/Email-Sender
# for this to work.
#

use strict;
use warnings;
use Email::MIME;
use Email::Sender::Simple qw(sendmail);


 configure this 

my @rcpt = ('l...@yagibdah.de');
my $from = 'r...@yagibdah.de';
my $subj = 'eselect news';
#
# you can set this to 0 to get an email for every news item
#
my $msglen = 65536;

#
# set to 1 to get only items listed as new
#
my $only_new = 1;

 / configure this ###


my @list = qx/eselect news list/;
my @numbers = $only_new ? map(m/\A\s*\[(\d+)\]\s*N\s*\d/, @list) : map(m/\A\s*\[(\d+)\]/, @list);
my $content = join('', @list) . "\n" . ('#' x 70) . "\n\n";
undef @list;

foreach (@numbers) {
  my $do = "eselect news read $_";
  $content .= qx/$do/;
  $content .= "\n" . ('#' x 70) . "\n\n";

  if (length($content) > $msglen) {
my $message = Email::MIME->create(
  header_str => [
		 From=> $from,
		 To  => @rcpt,
		 Subject => $subj
		],
  attributes => {
		 encoding => 'quoted-printable',
		 charset  => 'UTF-8'
		},
  body_str => $content
 );
sendmail($message);

$content = '';
  }
}

if (length($content)) {
  my $message = Email::MIME->create(
header_str => [
		   From=> $from,
		   To  => @rcpt,
		   Subject => $subj
		  ],
attributes => {
		   encoding => 'quoted-printable',
		   charset  => 'UTF-8'
		  },
body_str => $content
   );
  sendmail($message);
}


exit 0;

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Alan Mackenzie]

Hello, Neil.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 02:09:10PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> Don't forget split infinitives - the construct that is absolutely
> forbidden, but no one knows why. I had a production editor who picked me
> up every time I used one. I pointed out that that battle was lost as soon
> as Star Trek became mainstream.

I have a theory about this.  If you write "we need to thoroughly think
this through", what is the verb?  It tends to become "to
thoroughlythink" rather than "to think".  This coupling of adverb and
verb into a single word is probably undesirable.  Hence, no split
infinitives, please.

For what it's worth, in German, when there's a "zu" (to) in front of an
infinitive, it is _never_ separated by even the first part of a
separable verb, never mind an adverb.

> -- 
> Neil Bothwick

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Michael Mol]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:08:03 AM EST J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On December 28, 2016 11:03:47 AM GMT+01:00, Neil Bothwick 
 wrote:
> >On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:56:17 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> Ah, now I see.
> >> 
> >> Peter didn't post, Neil did.
> >> 
> >> Too much eggnog, that's my story and I'm sticking to it
> >
> >Peter's probably still at the pub.
> 
> English grammar discussions are always fun to follow.
> Makes one tempted to make mistakes on porpuse. :)

*porpoise



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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[J. Roeleveld]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 02:09:10 PM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:56:16 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > Nice repartee on the side there. I'm actually just resurfacing from yet
> > another user account creation, because the message database yesterday
> > was just an indescribable mess.
> > 
> > Touch wood, this one might have succeeded after a good deal of finger-
> > twiddling to give KMail time to do all its marking as read, moving
> > folders into place and so on. Also frequent reboots to establish a firm
> > basis.
> > 
> > It means that I've lost any messages from the last two days, but at
> > least I have Joost's detailed one to continue from.
> 
> Maybe this would be a good time to set up a local IMAP server...

I tell KMail to store messages locally as well (for performance reasons)
Not sure how it functions when the IMAP server is on the same host. Should 
perform decently as well.
A 1GB link isn't sufficient with the amount of email I have on the server. Not 
when also using that same link for a variety of other things.
Never mind the uplink of my ISP.

> > ("Never end a sentence with a preposition" - so we were taught.
> > Personally, I think a preposition is a perfectly good word to end a
> > sentence with. An adverb will also do nicely.)
> 
> Don't forget split infinitives - the construct that is absolutely
> forbidden, but no one knows why. I had a production editor who picked me
> up every time I used one. I pointed out that that battle was lost as soon
> as Star Trek became mainstream.

I actually got that nearly complete. Only missing the Animated Series on 
physical media. Am hoping that CBS will convert Voyager and DS9 to Bluray as 
well.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:56:16 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> Nice repartee on the side there. I'm actually just resurfacing from yet 
> another user account creation, because the message database yesterday
> was just an indescribable mess.
> 
> Touch wood, this one might have succeeded after a good deal of finger-
> twiddling to give KMail time to do all its marking as read, moving
> folders into place and so on. Also frequent reboots to establish a firm
> basis.
> 
> It means that I've lost any messages from the last two days, but at
> least I have Joost's detailed one to continue from.

Maybe this would be a good time to set up a local IMAP server...
 
> ("Never end a sentence with a preposition" - so we were taught.
> Personally, I think a preposition is a perfectly good word to end a
> sentence with. An adverb will also do nicely.)

Don't forget split infinitives - the construct that is absolutely
forbidden, but no one knows why. I had a production editor who picked me
up every time I used one. I pointed out that that battle was lost as soon
as Star Trek became mainstream.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Q. How many radical feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Two - one to change the bulb and one to write a book about the passive
role of the socket.


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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:08:03 +, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> English grammar discussions are always fun to follow.
> Makes one tempted to make mistakes on porpuse. :)

You're only saying that so you can claim all future mistakes are
deliberate :P


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:57:12 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> > As a native English speaking pedant, I would throw "a die" or "some
> > dice" to decide, dice is the plural :P  
> 
> So would I, fifty years ago. Not now though; that one's long since been 
> lost.

I'm British, lost causes are a speciality.


-- 
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I'm not anti-social, I'm just not user friendly


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: should everything compile?

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 02:20:20 PM Dale wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On December 27, 2016 6:55:31 PM GMT+01:00, Dale  
wrote:
> >> Alan Grimes wrote:
> >>> Holger Hoffstätte wrote:
>  ..indicates a mismatch in C++11 ABI which changed in gcc5. What
> >> 
> >> happens is that one the
> >> 
>  dependencies of openimageio was built against the old C++11
> >> 
> >> std::string ABI (hence the
> >> 
>  link errors), and needs to be rebuilt. It looks to be "Imf" aka
> >> 
> >> libIlmImf,
> >> 
>  whatever that is. Try to rebuild it with --oneshot and it should
> >> 
> >> work.
> >> 
>  If a similar error pops up for a different dependency, repeat. :)
>  
>  -h
> >>> 
> >>> Yeah, I emptytree world my system after each Y in X.Y.Z compiler
> >> 
> >> version
> >> 
> >>> bump. Since I sad it, everyone will tell you it's bad advice but
> >> 
> >> really
> >> 
> >>> not. The binary distros will compile everything with the same
> >> 
> >> compiler
> >> 
> >>> so crap doesn't happen. Now it's not super important but then you
> >> 
> >> have
> >> 
> >>> no idea how many other abi link errors are hiding out there.
> >> 
> >> I do the same here.  When I switch to a new version of gcc, I do a
> >> emerge -e world.  If I've read that it really changes some things, like
> >> this one appears to do, I do it twice.  The second time may be overkill
> >> but I'd rather have overkill than some weird problem that is difficult
> >> to figure out the solution.  I don't think anyone would say doing that
> >> is bad.  A ounce of prevention is always better than a pound of cure.
> >> ;-)
> >> 
> >> There's another upgrade that I do that after too.  I can't recall the
> >> name right now but maybe it is glibc or something
> >> 
> >> Dale
> >> 
> >> :-)  :-)
> > 
> > I usually do (if encountering weird issues):
> > # emerge -1 gcc
> > # emerge -1 glibc
> > # emerge -e @system
> > # emerge -e @world
> > 
> > If there is a better method requiring less time, please let me know.
> > 
> > A full rebuild like this into binary packages using a chroot is a good way
> > to prepare for a toolchain update. That way all the packages are already
> > prepared and the downtime will be minimized.
> > 
> > --
> > Joost
> 
> Giving it some thought, I would think your way would be the fastest.
> When you emerge -e system, that should rebuild everything toolchain
> wise.  Then when you go back and do world, that should rebuild
> everything with the new toolchain.  I have ran emerge -e world twice in
> the past but that requires more time than your way.  Your way should
> guarantee success and be the quickest.

There is a way that might even be quicker:
- Temporarily switch to the most basic profile (desktop-profiles have a lot of 
additional USE-flags causing extra stuff in the @system set)
- Temporarily move all "package.use" entries out of the way

After "emerge -e @system" reset the correct profile and move all your 
package.use flags back.

> I might add, in the past when I run into something weird, even with no
> gcc or glibc changes, I would do a emerge -e world.  Sometimes there can
> be a change that doesn't get picked up on by emerge or even the devs.
> Even the logs from a build failure may not give any real clue.  That
> said, it has been a while since I've had that sort of problem.  I run a
> mix of unstable and stable and still have a pretty sane system.  I think
> that says a lot about how portage/emerge/etc does its job now.  The devs
> have really worked out some serious kinks.

I don't often have to do an "emerge -e" either. Only when something 
"important" changes. Like a profile, kde -> plasma, major gcc/glibc-version or 
similar.
Can't really remember the last time, apart from when I updated my parents 
laptop after nearly 2 years in one go. (binaries compiled on a fast machine 
really helped there)
The laptop functions as a simple media-player.

> Now that I said that, something will come along pretty soon and just
> bork everything up.  LOL

Tempting murphy?

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[J. Roeleveld]

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:29:53 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
> (I've tried correcting indent markers in quoted bits but I've probably got
> some of them wrong.)

I can figure most of it :)

> On Tuesday, 27 December 2016 19:54:57 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On December 27, 2016 5:39:09 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey
> 
> > > >You see how spaced out the folder list is? There's no setting for that
> > >
> > >in KMail as far as I can see. The Qt Configuration tool has an Interface
> > >tab. Under Global Strut you can set minimum width and height. The default
> > >is zero, giving Qt free rein to do what it likes, but I could set those
> > >to 1 and kmail:4 would tuck all those folder entries up so that they
> > >fitted without scrolling. It has no effect on kmail:5 though.
> > 
> > Is the qt config for qt4 or qt5?
> 
> It's version 4.8.7, so maybe it's for qt:4, which would explain its not
> affecting kmail:5  :)

If you know what it changes for qt4, you might be able to do duplicate the 
changes for qt5.
Alternatively, test:
% eix qt5ct
* x11-misc/qt5ct
 Available versions:  ~0.27-r1 {+systray}
 Homepage:https://sourceforge.net/projects/qt5ct/
 Description: Qt5 configuration tool, similar to qtconfig for Qt4

(Found it by googling for "qtconfig qt5", one of the results mentioned qt5ct)

> > You might need to find the settings/tool to apply to qt5. Kmail:4 is qt4
> > based. (I never played with that tool, which package is it? And which
> > command do I run?)
> 
> It's in the KDE system applications menu.

See above :)

> [OT]
> 
> > Speaking of English. I always wonder which would be a better match for
> > someone who uses English mostly to deal with international friends and
> > computers. I am Dutch myself, which means it's officially a second
> > language for me. (Always wondered about that, as I speak several
> > languages and fluency is simply a matter of which I speak regularly). I
> > usually throw a dice to decide between US and UK whenever I get asked.
> 
> (Do you mean regularly, or frequently?  :P )
> Personally, I'd be deeply embarrassed if anyone thought I might be American.
> I have even been known to rebuke youngsters (gently) for saying "you're
> welcome" as being an Americanism.

Is it? I've come across that while living in the UK.

> On the other hand, while I was working in Minneapolis 25 years ago, some
> people though I was Australian! Not sure which is worse...
> [/OT]

Well were those people who actually ever left Minneapolis?

> > > >Nothing to do with KMail, but the display of gkrellm has changed
> > > >dramatically. I use its Invisible theme, which hasn't actually been
> > > >invisible since the switch from KDE-3 to 4, but it had a plain,
> > > >unobtrusive grey scheme and showed what I wanted to see, clearly and
> > > >with no drama.
> 
> Looks like a bug report is needed against gkrellm.

I agree.

> > >I've found a lot more KDE-5 meta-packages and installed those, but they
> > >haven't helped with this.
> > 
> > What about plasma-meta?
> > I think that pulls in the whole shebang?
> 
> I thought so too, but it doesn't. It seems to pull in just the bits you need
> to run a plasma desktop; applications are another matter.

I have the following meta packages in my world file:
kde-apps/kde-apps-meta
kde-apps/kde-meta
kde-plasma/plasma-meta

Not sure if those 3 are all needed. Will be clearing out the desktop later.

> > Again, could be related to killing akonadi while indexing.
> > Or corruption in the database caused by the segfaults.
> > You could try:
> > # akonadictl fsck
> 
> Good idea. I will if this new incarnation starts acting up again.

Mine doesn't yet. Looks ok, but did need to restart kontact once as it wasn't 
displaying the folder-contents earlier.

> > I usually restart akonadi first to ensure I can follow the messages in a
> > konsole:
> > in konsole 1:
> > # akonadictl stop
> > # akonadictl status (repeat this till it says stopped)
> > # akonadictl start
> > 
> > > in konsole 2:
> > # akonadictl fsck
> > 
> > Then monitor in konsole 1 to see what it does. It actually reports on it's
> > fsck status there with what it finds and fixes.
> 
> Yes, I've operated that way a few times, but just using the one Konsole.

1 Konsole, multiple tabs...

> > Personally, I think akonadi is a nice idea for when people store all their
> > email locally. As I use IMAP to store my email, it does a lot of
> > duplicate efforts. But with that, I have luckily been spared from the
> > duplicate email or dissapearing email issues others have encountered.
> 
> My ISP doesn't offer IMAP so I have to use POP. It suits me anyway, having
> all my e-mails under my own control.

I run my own IMAP server. My laptop, desktop and mobile phone all connect to 
that. This way I have all my emails available wherever I am.

> > >> >I dare say version 16.12.0 of KMail-2 will make a decent platform
> > >> >for development, now that it's finally here, but a very great 

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Peter Humphrey]

(I've tried correcting indent markers in quoted bits but I've probably got 
some of them wrong.)

On Tuesday, 27 December 2016 19:54:57 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On December 27, 2016 5:39:09 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey 

--->8

> > >You see how spaced out the folder list is? There's no setting for that
> >in KMail as far as I can see. The Qt Configuration tool has an Interface
> >tab. Under Global Strut you can set minimum width and height. The default
> >is zero, giving Qt free rein to do what it likes, but I could set those
> >to 1 and kmail:4 would tuck all those folder entries up so that they
> >fitted without scrolling. It has no effect on kmail:5 though.
> 
> Is the qt config for qt4 or qt5?

It's version 4.8.7, so maybe it's for qt:4, which would explain its not 
affecting kmail:5  :)

> You might need to find the settings/tool to apply to qt5. Kmail:4 is qt4
> based. (I never played with that tool, which package is it? And which
> command do I run?)

It's in the KDE system applications menu.

--->8

[OT]
> Speaking of English. I always wonder which would be a better match for
> someone who uses English mostly to deal with international friends and
> computers. I am Dutch myself, which means it's officially a second
> language for me. (Always wondered about that, as I speak several
> languages and fluency is simply a matter of which I speak regularly). I
> usually throw a dice to decide between US and UK whenever I get asked.

(Do you mean regularly, or frequently?  :P )
Personally, I'd be deeply embarrassed if anyone thought I might be American. 
I have even been known to rebuke youngsters (gently) for saying "you're 
welcome" as being an Americanism.

On the other hand, while I was working in Minneapolis 25 years ago, some 
people though I was Australian! Not sure which is worse...
[/OT]

> > >Nothing to do with KMail, but the display of gkrellm has changed
> > >dramatically. I use its Invisible theme, which hasn't actually been
> > >invisible since the switch from KDE-3 to 4, but it had a plain,
> > >unobtrusive grey scheme and showed what I wanted to see, clearly and
> > >with no drama.

Looks like a bug report is needed against gkrellm.

-->8

> >I've found a lot more KDE-5 meta-packages and installed those, but they
> >haven't helped with this.
> 
> What about plasma-meta?
> I think that pulls in the whole shebang?

I thought so too, but it doesn't. It seems to pull in just the bits you need 
to run a plasma desktop; applications are another matter.

-->8
 
> Again, could be related to killing akonadi while indexing.
> Or corruption in the database caused by the segfaults.
> You could try:
> # akonadictl fsck

Good idea. I will if this new incarnation starts acting up again.

> I usually restart akonadi first to ensure I can follow the messages in a
> konsole:
> in konsole 1:
> # akonadictl stop
> # akonadictl status (repeat this till it says stopped)
> # akonadictl start
> 
> > in konsole 2:
> # akonadictl fsck
> 
> Then monitor in konsole 1 to see what it does. It actually reports on it's
> fsck status there with what it finds and fixes.

Yes, I've operated that way a few times, but just using the one Konsole.

> Personally, I think akonadi is a nice idea for when people store all their
> email locally. As I use IMAP to store my email, it does a lot of
> duplicate efforts. But with that, I have luckily been spared from the
> duplicate email or dissapearing email issues others have encountered.

My ISP doesn't offer IMAP so I have to use POP. It suits me anyway, having 
all my e-mails under my own control.

> >> >I dare say version 16.12.0 of KMail-2 will make a decent platform
> >> >for development, now that it's finally here, but a very great deal of
> >> >work lies ahead. I can see that I'll be doing my fair share of
> >> >shouting too, at it and at the devs.
> >> 
> >> I'll try to get my desktop converted this week. And will join in the
> >> bugreporting party.
> >
> >It would be good to have someone to compare notes with.
> >
> >--->8
> 
> Give me some time to do the installation. Will need to first kill kde4
> parts on the desktop before doing the upgrade. I run mostly stable. Will
> see how that goes.

OK. In my case I must have had some stray USE flags in the kde:4 system 
which were impossible to sort out with kde:5. I ended up ditching the whole 
lot and installing a new system, setting make.profile to plasma right at the 
outset and only setting USE flags that portage demanded. Took a while.

> >> >I think I'll have to go down the pub to drown my sorrows.
> >> 
> >> Just don't climb behind the wheel of a car afterwards
> >
> >No, it's just a wee stroll. Takes longer to get my shoes on.   :-)
> 
> Slippers and warm socks not an option? Saves a lot of time, I would think.
> And the alcohol will make you feel warm enough, including your toes

I'm not going walking round the village in my slippers, thanks all the same. 
We might have a maritime climate here, but even so...

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[J. Roeleveld]

On December 27, 2016 3:38:28 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey 
 wrote:
>On Sunday, 18 December 2016 19:07:23 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
>> More important, how is the latest kmail behaving?
>
>My first impression is one of horror. It's ghastly!
>
>I've never seen such profligate waste of screen space. I've attached a 
>couple of screen shots to show you what I mean.
>
>Take the folder list, for example. I used to be able to show all those 
>folders in one panel with no scroll-bars, with no difficulty reading
>them; 
>now eight folders spill over. I may be able to find a more compact 
>arrangement but this is the best I've managed so far. At least with
>kmail:4 
>I could tweak Qt settings to condense it; now nothing I do makes any 
>improvement.
>
>Then the message view. Message.png shows what your message looks like
>in 
>this version of KMail (the message I'm replying to now). This is with
>all 
>the bells and whistles I can find switched off.
>
>Next, after I'd emerged kde-apps/kmai-16.12.0, it was incomplete. I had
>to 
>install several other packages to complete it, including the import
>wizard. 
>Rather than messing about, I just emerged kdepim-meta and had done with
>it.
>
>Even after doing that, I get "No backend available for spell checking,"
>even 
>though I've set everything up that I can see. Myspell and hunspell are
>both 
>installed.
>
>In the message list I have next-to-no control over the font. I can set
>the 
>basic one, but not those for unread, important or action items. They're
>now 
>displayed in a reduced-density form of the basic font (while pretending
>
>they're going to use the same font as the message itself). The
>designers 
>evidently know what I want better than I do (anyone might think this
>was 
>Gnome).
>
>Nothing to do with KMail, but the display of gkrellm has changed 
>dramatically. I use its Invisible theme, which hasn't actually been 
>invisible since the switch from KDE-3 to 4, but it had a plain,
>unobtrusive 
>grey scheme and showed what I wanted to see, clearly and with no drama.
>Now, 
>the chart backgrounds have changed from charcoal-grey to a dark red,
>and 
>what was grey is now a dreadful salmon-pink. Of course I can't see the
>red 
>traces any longer. Perhaps I'm missing a KDE or Qt component.
>
>Oh, and when I start a reboot in KDE, akonadi crashes with a
>segmentation 
>fault.
>
>I dare say version 16.12.0 of KMail-2 will make a decent platform for 
>development, now that it's finally here, but a very great deal of work
>lies 
>ahead. I can see that I'll be doing my fair share of shouting too, at
>it and 
>at the devs.
>
>It's taken me about 30 hours to get this far. I ditched the old system 
>altogether and built a new one on the kde-plasma profile. I didn't ask
>for 
>anything in a slot 4, just slot 5 versions. I also ditched my old user
>and 
>set up a new one from scratch. Headache? What headache?
>
>I think I'll have to go down the pub to drown my sorrows.

My impressions will start here. Emailing using mobile while the IMAP mail is 
being synchronised. That usually takes a few hours.

Although that does appear to go faster now. I normally use Kontact for the 
whole shebang. And it looks similar to version 4.

The upgrade went quite smoothly, with a very rigorous cleaning exercise of 
anything wanting older versions.
Am expecting some possible issues when reinstalling those. But will see how 
that goes later today.

Full upgrade only took a couple of hours this morning. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[J. Roeleveld]

On December 28, 2016 11:03:47 AM GMT+01:00, Neil Bothwick  
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:56:17 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>> Ah, now I see.
>> 
>> Peter didn't post, Neil did.
>> 
>> Too much eggnog, that's my story and I'm sticking to it
>
>Peter's probably still at the pub.

English grammar discussions are always fun to follow.
Makes one tempted to make mistakes on porpuse. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[J. Roeleveld]

On December 27, 2016 5:39:09 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey 
 wrote:
>On Tuesday, 27 December 2016 15:19:29 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On December 27, 2016 3:38:28 PM GMT+01:00, Peter Humphrey 
> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, 18 December 2016 19:07:23 GMT J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> >> More important, how is the latest kmail behaving?
>> >
>> >My first impression is one of horror. It's ghastly!
>> >
>> >I've never seen such profligate waste of screen space. I've attached
>a
>> >couple of screen shots to show you what I mean.
>> 
>> Thanks :)
>> 
>> >Take the folder list, for example. I used to be able to show all
>those
>> >folders in one panel with no scroll-bars, with no difficulty reading
>> >them; now eight folders spill over. I may be able to find a more
>compact
>> >arrangement but this is the best I've managed so far. At least with
>> >kmail:4 I could tweak Qt settings to condense it; now nothing I do
>makes
>> >any improvement.
>> 
>> I would expect font settings. In kmail:4 there is a display part in
>the
>> settings menu. I never did anything directly with Qt to chamge
>anything.
>> I have too many folders anyway for it to fit (unless I would have a
>BIG
>> 4K screen...)
>
>You see how spaced out the folder list is? There's no setting for that
>in 
>KMail as far as I can see. The Qt Configuration tool has an Interface
>tab. 
>Under Global Strut you can set minimum width and height. The default is
>
>zero, giving Qt free rein to do what it likes, but I could set those to
>1 
>and kmail:4 would tuck all those folder entries up so that they fitted 
>without scrolling. It has no effect on kmail:5 though.
>
>> >Then the message view. Message.png shows what your message looks
>like
>> >in this version of KMail (the message I'm replying to now). This is
>with
>> >all the bells and whistles I can find switched off.
>> 
>> That actually looks nice to me. Do the minus (-) blocks actually
>allow the
>> quotes to be folded up?
>
>To each his own of course, but for myself, I just want the text with
>some 
>quoting. Yes the minus blocks do fold up, but all of them or none.
>There's 
>no individual control.
>
>I found a new header selection. After switching it back from 5.2 style
>to 
>Fancy, it's back the way I like it.
>
>> >Next, after I'd emerged kde-apps/kmai-16.12.0, it was incomplete. I
>had
>> >to
>> >install several other packages to complete it, including the import
>> >wizard.
>> >Rather than messing about, I just emerged kdepim-meta and had done
>with
>> >it.
>> >
>> >Even after doing that, I get "No backend available for spell
>checking,"
>> >even
>> >though I've set everything up that I can see. Myspell and hunspell
>are
>> >both
>> >installed.
>> 
>> Hmm... that's not nice. Then again, I only use spell check for
>documents.
>> Not emails. Never really trusted those ever since I saw dictionaries
>get
>> automatically ruined by 'do you want to add this word to the
>dictionary'.
>
>Kmail:4 used to default to Australian English, no matter how many times
>I 
>reminded it I'm in the UK. This one has no back-end at all.
>
>--->8
>
>> >Nothing to do with KMail, but the display of gkrellm has changed
>> >dramatically. I use its Invisible theme, which hasn't actually been
>> >invisible since the switch from KDE-3 to 4, but it had a plain,
>> >unobtrusive
>> >grey scheme and showed what I wanted to see, clearly and with no
>drama.
>> >Now,
>> >the chart backgrounds have changed from charcoal-grey to a dark red,
>> >and
>> >what was grey is now a dreadful salmon-pink. Of course I can't see
>the
>> >red
>> >traces any longer. Perhaps I'm missing a KDE or Qt component.
>> 
>> Always possible. I tend to just install the meta stuff and be done
>with
>> it.
>
>I've found a lot more KDE-5 meta-packages and installed those, but they
>
>haven't helped with this.
>
>> >Oh, and when I start a reboot in KDE, akonadi crashes with a
>> >segmentation fault.
>> 
>> That is a bug. Hope it gets ironed out soon. Maybe still busy
>indexing
>> your emails?
>
>Could be. I'll try leaving it for an hour or two.
>
>Since I wrote, I've noticed that the messages I imported from kmail
>archive 
>are not all in the right folders - about 2000 have magically jumped
>from the 
>Purchases folder to the inbox. I'm also seeing a reversion to that old 
>problem of silly numbers of duplicates appearing in random places at
>random 
>times. I had hoped that would be among the first things to be ironed
>out in 
>the :5 version.
>
>> >I dare say version 16.12.0 of KMail-2 will make a decent platform
>for
>> >development, now that it's finally here, but a very great deal of
>work
>> >lies ahead. I can see that I'll be doing my fair share of shouting
>too,
>> >at it and at the devs.
>> 
>> I'll try to get my desktop converted this week. And will join in the
>> bugreporting party.
>
>It would be good to have someone to compare notes with.
>
>--->8
>
>> >I think I'll have to go down the pub to drown my sorrows.
>> 
>> 

Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No

[Kai Peter]

On 2016-12-27 21:31, Neil Bothwick wrote:


Put this script in /etc/portage/postsync.d and make it executable

#!/bin/sh

if [ $( eselect news count new ) != "0" ]; then
   eselect news list | mail y...@wherever.you.are
   fi


Nice hint, really. I did a similar thing in my emerge wrapper script, 
but this looks more efficient. Thanks.

(Btw, knowing all about portage/emerge isn't a high priority by me ;))

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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 11:54:53 GMT Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 28/12/2016 11:54, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:45:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> Same with die and dice - one day you will be correct but Peter and I
> >> will be wrong
> > 
> > Peter seems to have become the list's statutory grammar pedant, so much
> > so that even when someone else makes a correction, he gets the blame.
> > ;-)
> 
> And he missed Joost's incorrect use of "then" instead of "than" ;-)

Beneath notice, chum.

-- 
Regards,
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday, 27 December 2016 20:36:36 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:54:57 +, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > Speaking of English. I always wonder which would be a better match for
> > someone who uses English mostly to deal with international friends and
> > computers. I am Dutch myself, which means it's officially a second
> > language for me. (Always wondered about that, as I speak several
> > languages and fluency is simply a matter of which I speak regularly). I
> > usually throw a dice to decide between US and UK whenever I get asked.
> 
> As a native English speaking pedant, I would throw "a die" or "some dice"
> to decide, dice is the plural :P

So would I, fifty years ago. Not now though; that one's long since been 
lost.

-- 
Regards,
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 10:03:47 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:56:17 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Ah, now I see.
> > 
> > Peter didn't post, Neil did.
> > 
> > Too much eggnog, that's my story and I'm sticking to it
> 
> Peter's probably still at the pub.

Nice repartee on the side there. I'm actually just resurfacing from yet 
another user account creation, because the message database yesterday was 
just an indescribable mess.

Touch wood, this one might have succeeded after a good deal of finger-
twiddling to give KMail time to do all its marking as read, moving folders 
into place and so on. Also frequent reboots to establish a firm basis.

It means that I've lost any messages from the last two days, but at least I 
have Joost's detailed one to continue from.

("Never end a sentence with a preposition" - so we were taught. Personally, 
I think a preposition is a perfectly good word to end a sentence with. An 
adverb will also do nicely.)

-- 
Regards,
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:56:17 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Ah, now I see.
> 
> Peter didn't post, Neil did.
> 
> Too much eggnog, that's my story and I'm sticking to it

Peter's probably still at the pub.


-- 
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"He's dead, Jim.  You get his phaser, I'll grab his wallet."


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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 28/12/2016 11:54, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:45:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
>> Same with die and dice - one day you will be correct but Peter and I
>> will be wrong
> 
> Peter seems to have become the list's statutory grammar pedant, so much
> so that even when someone else makes a correction, he gets the blame. ;-)
> 


Ah, now I see.

Peter didn't post, Neil did.

Too much eggnog, that's my story and I'm sticking to it


-- 
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alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 28/12/2016 11:54, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:45:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> 
>> Same with die and dice - one day you will be correct but Peter and I
>> will be wrong
> 
> Peter seems to have become the list's statutory grammar pedant, so much
> so that even when someone else makes a correction, he gets the blame. ;-)
> 

And he missed Joost's incorrect use of "then" instead of "than" ;-)

-- 
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alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:45:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Same with die and dice - one day you will be correct but Peter and I
> will be wrong

Peter seems to have become the list's statutory grammar pedant, so much
so that even when someone else makes a correction, he gets the blame. ;-)

-- 
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I thought I saw the light at the end of the tunnel...
but it was just some sod with a torch bringing me more work!


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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:28:25 +, J. Roeleveld wrote:

> >>I  
> >> usually throw a dice to decide between US and UK whenever I get  
> >>asked.
> >
> >As a native English speaking pedant, I would throw "a die" or "some
> >dice"
> >to decide, dice is the plural :P  
> 
> I stand corrected. Always thought the word was both singular and plural.
> 
> Probably because most games with dice have more then 1.

More likely because most English speakers also get it wrong.

Julius Caesar's "the die is cast" makes more sense once you know the
difference. Otherwise it sounds like he was referring to a manufacturing
process that wasn't invented until centuries later.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[Alan McKinnon]

On 28/12/2016 11:28, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On December 27, 2016 9:36:36 PM GMT+01:00, Neil Bothwick  
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:54:57 +, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of English. I always wonder which would be a better match
>> for
>>> someone who uses English mostly to deal with international friends
>> and
>>> computers. I am Dutch myself, which means it's officially a second
>>> language for me. (Always wondered about that, as I speak several
>>> languages and fluency is simply a matter of which I speak regularly).
>> I
>>> usually throw a dice to decide between US and UK whenever I get
>> asked.
>>
>> As a native English speaking pedant, I would throw "a die" or "some
>> dice"
>> to decide, dice is the plural :P
> 
> I stand corrected. Always thought the word was both singular and plural.
> 
> Probably because most games with dice have more then 1.
> 
> Still wondering which the majority of non-english-natives would use.
> Is there an Irish, Welsh or Scottish dictionary available? (Sequence chosen 
> randomly)

There are really only two:

- dictionaries printed in England (Oxford's collection is the de-facto
definitive)
- dictionaries printed in the U.S.A., which all seem to follow the local
lingo i.e. New York English is a very different beast from L.A. English

English is a funny language, almost unique. It absorbs new words and
grammars from the local language like the Borg. And some of us (myself
included) want to keep the rules the same even though they are
constantly changing from new input :-)

How do you think "sheep" got to be both singular and plural? Wasn't
always like that, it became that way and now it's the correct form.

Same with die and dice - one day you will be correct but Peter and I
will be wrong


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Re: [gentoo-user] At last! A Qt5 version of KMail-2 - but here be dragons!

[J. Roeleveld]

On December 27, 2016 9:36:36 PM GMT+01:00, Neil Bothwick  
wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:54:57 +, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
>> Speaking of English. I always wonder which would be a better match
>for
>> someone who uses English mostly to deal with international friends
>and
>> computers. I am Dutch myself, which means it's officially a second
>> language for me. (Always wondered about that, as I speak several
>> languages and fluency is simply a matter of which I speak regularly).
>I
>> usually throw a dice to decide between US and UK whenever I get
>asked.
>
>As a native English speaking pedant, I would throw "a die" or "some
>dice"
>to decide, dice is the plural :P

I stand corrected. Always thought the word was both singular and plural.

Probably because most games with dice have more then 1.

Still wondering which the majority of non-english-natives would use.
Is there an Irish, Welsh or Scottish dictionary available? (Sequence chosen 
randomly)

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