Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Simple to upgrade Linux distro

[R0b0t1]

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Tom H  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Dale  wrote:
>>
>> I've installed Linux Mint with Mate.
>
> Isn't Mate as heavy as Gnome on your low-powered box? Isn't it Gnome 3
> with Gnome-shell replaced by the Mate interface?
>

Gnome 3 has a lot of effects that are graphically intensive
(transparency and blending mostly, which older hardware has a problem
with). MATE is closer to Gnome 2, where windows just pop into
existence and slide around without much fanfare.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Which pkg installs /boot/grub?

[Mick]

On Sunday 23 Jul 2017 14:55:29 Harry Putnam wrote:
> Rasmus Thomsen  writes:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > grub creates /boot/grub when you run "grub-install"
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Rasmus
> > 
> >  Original Message 
> 
> > On 23 Jul 2017, 20:46, Harry Putnam wrote:
> [...]
> 
> I guess I should know that... but in other installs I could swear
> /boot/grub was already there when I got around to running
> `grub-install'
> 
> Err `senior moment' perhaps?


I'm sure most of us been there, or worse.  Another idea, the directory may 
have been installed when you had the partition mounted and now it is for some 
reason unmounted?

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Simple to upgrade Linux distro

[Dale]

Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Dale  wrote:
>> I've installed Linux Mint with Mate.
> Isn't Mate as heavy as Gnome on your low-powered box? Isn't it Gnome 3
> with Gnome-shell replaced by the Mate interface?
>
>

I have no idea.  I checked out Gnome many many years ago but I was just
looking around at the time.  I just think Mate will work for my friend
and if she likes it, then I'm happy with it. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: Which pkg installs /boot/grub?

[Harry Putnam]

Rasmus Thomsen  writes:

> Hello,
>
> grub creates /boot/grub when you run "grub-install"
>
> Regards,
> Rasmus
>
>  Original Message 
> On 23 Jul 2017, 20:46, Harry Putnam wrote:

[...]

I guess I should know that... but in other installs I could swear
/boot/grub was already there when I got around to running
`grub-install'

Err `senior moment' perhaps?

Re: [gentoo-user] Which pkg installs /boot/grub?

[Rasmus Thomsen]

Hello,

grub creates /boot/grub when you run "grub-install"

Regards,
Rasmus

 Original Message 
On 23 Jul 2017, 20:46, Harry Putnam wrote:

> I was pretty sure that grub2 installed /boot/grub... but I see no such
> directory after installing grub.
>
> qlist grub shows no directory /boot/grub
>
> In other installs I seem to recall seeing /boot/grub in place after
> installing grub.
>
> Googling for pkg containing /boot/grub seemd pretty useless as mostly
> it turns up all piles of stuff staring grub... but I already know pkg
> grub-2.02 does not contain that directory or the files in it.
>
> qfile /boot/grub
> equery b /boot/grub
>
> Before I continue this hard fought fresh install of gentoo into a vbox
> vm, I'd like to know if I should be seeing a boot grub after these 223
> pkgs (which includes grub-2.02) are installed?
>
> app-admin/eselect-1.4.9
> app-admin/rsyslog-8.28.0
> app-arch/libarchive-3.3.1
> app-arch/tar-1.29-r3
> app-arch/zip-3.0-r3
> app-crypt/rhash-1.3.4
> app-editors/vim-8.0.0386-r1
> app-editors/vim-core-8.0.0386
> app-eselect/eselect-ctags-1.18
> app-eselect/eselect-fontconfig-1.1-r1
> app-eselect/eselect-mesa-0.0.10-r1
> app-eselect/eselect-opengl-1.3.1-r4
> app-eselect/eselect-vi-1.1.9
> app-misc/pax-utils-1.2.2
> app-portage/cfg-update-1.8.9
> app-portage/eix-0.32.9
> app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0
> app-portage/portage-utils-0.64
> app-shells/bash-4.4_p12
> app-shells/push-2.0-r1
> app-shells/quoter-3.0_p2-r1
> app-text/build-docbook-catalog-1.21
> app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.2-r2
> app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.4-r2
> app-text/opensp-1.5.2-r4
> app-vim/gentoo-syntax-20170225
> dev-db/sqlite-3.19.3
> dev-lang/nasm-2.13.01
> dev-lang/perl-5.24.2
> dev-lang/python-exec-2.4.5
> dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.0
> dev-libs/expat-2.2.2
> dev-libs/gmp-6.1.2
> dev-libs/gobject-introspection-common-1.50.0
> dev-libs/libatomic_ops-7.6.0
> dev-libs/libbsd-0.8.5
> dev-libs/libcroco-0.6.12-r1
> dev-libs/libestr-0.1.10
> dev-libs/libfastjson-0.99.6
> dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.8.0
> dev-libs/liblogging-1.0.6
> dev-libs/libpcre-8.41
> dev-libs/libpipeline-1.4.1
> dev-libs/libpthread-stubs-0.4
> dev-libs/libtasn1-4.12
> dev-libs/libunistring-0.9.7
> dev-libs/libxml2-2.9.4-r1
> dev-libs/lzo-2.10
> dev-libs/mpc-1.0.3
> dev-libs/mpfr-3.1.5_p2
> dev-libs/nettle-3.3-r1
> dev-libs/nspr-4.15
> dev-libs/openssl-1.1.0f
> dev-libs/vala-common-0.34.9
> dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.70.0
> dev-perl/Module-Build-0.422.400
> dev-perl/SGMLSpm-1.1-r1
> dev-perl/Text-Unidecode-1.300.0
> dev-python/Babel-2.4.0
> dev-python/PySocks-1.6.7
> dev-python/alabaster-0.7.10
> dev-python/asn1crypto-0.22.0
> dev-python/cffi-1.10.0
> dev-python/chardet-3.0.4
> dev-python/docutils-0.13.1
> dev-python/enum34-1.1.6
> dev-python/idna-2.5
> dev-python/imagesize-0.7.1
> dev-python/ipaddress-1.0.18
> dev-python/jinja-2.9.6
> dev-python/markupsafe-0.23
> dev-python/namespace-sphinxcontrib-1.0
> dev-python/ply-3.10
> dev-python/pycparser-2.17
> dev-python/pygments-2.2.0
> dev-python/pytz-2017.2
> dev-python/pyxattr-0.6.0
> dev-python/setuptools-36.0.1
> dev-python/snowballstemmer-1.2.1
> dev-python/sphinx_rtd_theme-0.1.9
> dev-python/whoosh-2.7.4
> dev-util/ctags-20161028
> dev-util/desktop-file-utils-0.23
> dev-util/gdbus-codegen-2.50.3
> dev-util/gperf-3.1
> dev-util/intltool-0.51.0-r2
> dev-util/ninja-1.7.2
> dev-util/re2c-0.16
> media-fonts/encodings-1.0.4-r1
> media-fonts/font-util-1.3.1
> media-fonts/liberation-fonts-2.00.1-r2
> media-libs/fontconfig-2.12.3-r1
> media-libs/freetype-2.8
> media-libs/libjpeg-turbo-1.5.1
> media-libs/libpng-1.6.30
> media-libs/tiff-4.0.8
> net-dns/libidn2-2.0.2
> net-firewall/iptables-1.6.1-r1
> net-libs/gnutls-3.5.14
> net-misc/curl-7.54.1
> net-misc/iputils-20151218
> net-misc/rsync-3.1.2
> sys-apps/baselayout-2.4.1
> sys-apps/busybox-1.26.2-r1
> sys-apps/coreutils-8.27
> sys-apps/debianutils-4.8.1.1
> sys-apps/diffutils-3.6
> sys-apps/ed-1.14.2
> sys-apps/file-5.31
> sys-apps/gawk-4.1.4
> sys-apps/gentoo-functions-0.12
> sys-apps/grep-3.1
> sys-apps/groff-1.22.3
> sys-apps/help2man-1.47.4
> sys-apps/hwids-20170715
> sys-apps/install-xattr-0.5-r1
> sys-apps/iproute2-4.12.0
> sys-apps/kbd-2.0.4
> sys-apps/kmod-24
> sys-apps/less-497
> sys-apps/man-pages-4.11
> sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20161110235919
> sys-apps/openrc-0.28
> sys-apps/pciutils-3.5.5
> sys-apps/sandbox-2.10-r4
> sys-apps/sed-4.4
> sys-apps/util-linux-2.30
> sys-boot/efibootmgr-15
> sys-boot/grub-2.02
> sys-devel/autoconf-2.13
> sys-devel/autoconf-2.69-r3
> sys-devel/autoconf-archive-2017.03.21
> sys-devel/automake-1.13.4-r1
> sys-devel/automake-1.15.1
> sys-devel/bc-1.07.1
> sys-devel/flex-2.6.4
> sys-devel/gcc-6.3.0
> sys-devel/gcc-config-1.8-r1
> sys-devel/gnuconfig-20170101
> sys-devel/libtool-2.4.6-r4
> sys-devel/llvm-common-4.0.1
> sys-devel/m4-1.4.18
> sys-devel/make-4.2.1-r1
> sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.43.4
> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-4.12.2
> sys-kernel/linux-headers-4.10
> sys-libs/binutils-libs-2.28-r1
> sys-libs/db-6.0.35-r1
> 

[gentoo-user] Which pkg installs /boot/grub?

[Harry Putnam]

I was pretty sure that grub2 installed /boot/grub... but I see no such
directory after installing grub.

  qlist grub shows no directory /boot/grub

In other installs I seem to recall seeing /boot/grub in place after
installing grub.

Googling for pkg containing /boot/grub seemd pretty useless as mostly
it turns up all piles of stuff staring grub... but I already know pkg
grub-2.02 does not contain that directory or the files in it.

qfile /boot/grub  
equery b /boot/grub  

Before I continue this hard fought fresh install of gentoo into a vbox
vm,  I'd like to know if I should be seeing a boot grub after these 223
pkgs (which includes grub-2.02) are installed?

 app-admin/eselect-1.4.9
 app-admin/rsyslog-8.28.0
 app-arch/libarchive-3.3.1
 app-arch/tar-1.29-r3
 app-arch/zip-3.0-r3
 app-crypt/rhash-1.3.4
 app-editors/vim-8.0.0386-r1
 app-editors/vim-core-8.0.0386
 app-eselect/eselect-ctags-1.18
 app-eselect/eselect-fontconfig-1.1-r1
 app-eselect/eselect-mesa-0.0.10-r1
 app-eselect/eselect-opengl-1.3.1-r4
 app-eselect/eselect-vi-1.1.9
 app-misc/pax-utils-1.2.2
 app-portage/cfg-update-1.8.9
 app-portage/eix-0.32.9
 app-portage/gentoolkit-0.4.0
 app-portage/portage-utils-0.64
 app-shells/bash-4.4_p12
 app-shells/push-2.0-r1
 app-shells/quoter-3.0_p2-r1
 app-text/build-docbook-catalog-1.21
 app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.2-r2
 app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.4-r2
 app-text/opensp-1.5.2-r4
 app-vim/gentoo-syntax-20170225
 dev-db/sqlite-3.19.3
 dev-lang/nasm-2.13.01
 dev-lang/perl-5.24.2
 dev-lang/python-exec-2.4.5
 dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.0
 dev-libs/expat-2.2.2
 dev-libs/gmp-6.1.2
 dev-libs/gobject-introspection-common-1.50.0
 dev-libs/libatomic_ops-7.6.0
 dev-libs/libbsd-0.8.5
 dev-libs/libcroco-0.6.12-r1
 dev-libs/libestr-0.1.10
 dev-libs/libfastjson-0.99.6
 dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.8.0
 dev-libs/liblogging-1.0.6
 dev-libs/libpcre-8.41
 dev-libs/libpipeline-1.4.1
 dev-libs/libpthread-stubs-0.4
 dev-libs/libtasn1-4.12
 dev-libs/libunistring-0.9.7
 dev-libs/libxml2-2.9.4-r1
 dev-libs/lzo-2.10
 dev-libs/mpc-1.0.3
 dev-libs/mpfr-3.1.5_p2
 dev-libs/nettle-3.3-r1
 dev-libs/nspr-4.15
 dev-libs/openssl-1.1.0f
 dev-libs/vala-common-0.34.9
 dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.70.0
 dev-perl/Module-Build-0.422.400
 dev-perl/SGMLSpm-1.1-r1
 dev-perl/Text-Unidecode-1.300.0
 dev-python/Babel-2.4.0
 dev-python/PySocks-1.6.7
 dev-python/alabaster-0.7.10
 dev-python/asn1crypto-0.22.0
 dev-python/cffi-1.10.0
 dev-python/chardet-3.0.4
 dev-python/docutils-0.13.1
 dev-python/enum34-1.1.6
 dev-python/idna-2.5
 dev-python/imagesize-0.7.1
 dev-python/ipaddress-1.0.18
 dev-python/jinja-2.9.6
 dev-python/markupsafe-0.23
 dev-python/namespace-sphinxcontrib-1.0
 dev-python/ply-3.10
 dev-python/pycparser-2.17
 dev-python/pygments-2.2.0
 dev-python/pytz-2017.2
 dev-python/pyxattr-0.6.0
 dev-python/setuptools-36.0.1
 dev-python/snowballstemmer-1.2.1
 dev-python/sphinx_rtd_theme-0.1.9
 dev-python/whoosh-2.7.4
 dev-util/ctags-20161028
 dev-util/desktop-file-utils-0.23
 dev-util/gdbus-codegen-2.50.3
 dev-util/gperf-3.1
 dev-util/intltool-0.51.0-r2
 dev-util/ninja-1.7.2
 dev-util/re2c-0.16
 media-fonts/encodings-1.0.4-r1
 media-fonts/font-util-1.3.1
 media-fonts/liberation-fonts-2.00.1-r2
 media-libs/fontconfig-2.12.3-r1
 media-libs/freetype-2.8
 media-libs/libjpeg-turbo-1.5.1
 media-libs/libpng-1.6.30
 media-libs/tiff-4.0.8
 net-dns/libidn2-2.0.2
 net-firewall/iptables-1.6.1-r1
 net-libs/gnutls-3.5.14
 net-misc/curl-7.54.1
 net-misc/iputils-20151218
 net-misc/rsync-3.1.2
 sys-apps/baselayout-2.4.1
 sys-apps/busybox-1.26.2-r1
 sys-apps/coreutils-8.27
 sys-apps/debianutils-4.8.1.1
 sys-apps/diffutils-3.6
 sys-apps/ed-1.14.2
 sys-apps/file-5.31
 sys-apps/gawk-4.1.4
 sys-apps/gentoo-functions-0.12
 sys-apps/grep-3.1
 sys-apps/groff-1.22.3
 sys-apps/help2man-1.47.4
 sys-apps/hwids-20170715
 sys-apps/install-xattr-0.5-r1
 sys-apps/iproute2-4.12.0
 sys-apps/kbd-2.0.4
 sys-apps/kmod-24
 sys-apps/less-497
 sys-apps/man-pages-4.11
 sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20161110235919
 sys-apps/openrc-0.28
 sys-apps/pciutils-3.5.5
 sys-apps/sandbox-2.10-r4
 sys-apps/sed-4.4
 sys-apps/util-linux-2.30
 sys-boot/efibootmgr-15
 sys-boot/grub-2.02
 sys-devel/autoconf-2.13
 sys-devel/autoconf-2.69-r3
 sys-devel/autoconf-archive-2017.03.21
 sys-devel/automake-1.13.4-r1
 sys-devel/automake-1.15.1
 sys-devel/bc-1.07.1
 sys-devel/flex-2.6.4
 sys-devel/gcc-6.3.0
 sys-devel/gcc-config-1.8-r1
 sys-devel/gnuconfig-20170101
 sys-devel/libtool-2.4.6-r4
 sys-devel/llvm-common-4.0.1
 sys-devel/m4-1.4.18
 sys-devel/make-4.2.1-r1
 sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.43.4
 sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-4.12.2
 sys-kernel/linux-headers-4.10
 sys-libs/binutils-libs-2.28-r1
 sys-libs/db-6.0.35-r1
 sys-libs/e2fsprogs-libs-1.43.4
 sys-libs/efivar-31
 sys-libs/gdbm-1.13
 sys-libs/glibc-2.24-r3
 sys-libs/gpm-1.20.7-r2
 sys-libs/libcap-2.25
 sys-libs/ncurses-6.0-r1
 sys-libs/pam-1.3.0
 sys-libs/readline-7.0_p3
 sys-libs/timezone-data-2017b
 sys-process/cronbase-0.3.7-r6
 sys-process/procps-3.3.12-r1
 sys-process/psmisc-23.1
 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Simple to upgrade Linux distro

[Tom H]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Dale  wrote:
>
> I've installed Linux Mint with Mate.

Isn't Mate as heavy as Gnome on your low-powered box? Isn't it Gnome 3
with Gnome-shell replaced by the Mate interface?

Re: [gentoo-user] How to mask or remove new ebuild

[Rich Freeman]

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Raphael MD  wrote:
> On Jul 22, 2017 22:06, "Rich Freeman"  wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Raphael MD  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Now I need to install Kdevelop-5.1.0, and emerge are asking to install
>> > kde's
>> > dependencies' version 5.7.1. My installed versions are 5.6.2. But emerge
>> > even it I masked those packages, refuse to install.
>>
>> It sounds like you're running into a qt update issue (I assume you're
>> talking about qt here - your description isn't very specific).
>>
>> If so, I suspect this will help you:
>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Qt/FAQ#Solving_the_block
>>
>
> I understand, but I've updated my system 15 days ago. I don't want to
> re-emerge all KDE stuff again and spends 2 days.

I don't think the qt update forces a KDE rebuild, but I'm not 100%
certain on that.

>
> Are there a way to roll back emerge-sync?

Sure, just switch to a git repo and checkout a previous commit.

> Because emerge-sync clean my old
> ebuilds and I can't mask the new ones, because I don't have the old ones.
> This appear to be the best solution.

I doubt that.  If you think rebuilding KDE is painful then trying to
hold back the tide of upgrades is going to be something else entirely.

>
> For while I've learnt some things about Gentoo, ever save old ebuilds, never
> run emerge-sync only to upgrade firefox-bin and last, never emerge packages
> without --oneshot, wether this packages isn't very very important.
>
> And new, KDE appears to become a nightmare to have on pc. It's beautiful but
> is "terrificful".

I've never really had issues with KDE, but I don't really use many of
the KDE applications, such as kmail/koffice/etc.  I also have baloo
disabled (I think - that thing is like a zombie that never quite
dies).

However, it really is an integrated set of packages.  When it wants to
update all 150 of them, best to just let it.  You can always save
binary packages to make it easier to go back, or use snapshots/etc at
the filesystem level.  However, there is really no getting around the
forward march of progress on Gentoo.  I'm running it on a Phenom II
and sure the updates can be slow (just waiting for full Ryzen support
on a longterm kernel to make the jump).

A release-based distro has a different set of tradeoffs but it would
generally result in you always staying on a stable version of KDE, for
the small selection of distros that support KDE well.

-- 
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] How to mask or remove new ebuild

[Raphael MD]

On Jul 22, 2017 22:06, "Rich Freeman"  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Raphael MD  wrote:
> >
> > KDE Appear to be a nightmare, because every 'emerge --sync' I do to
solve
> > other problems, if KDE base has an updated version issued, and you,
> > acidentaly, need to install any other KDE packages that you don't have
> > installed yet, you suffer with a lot of dependency updates problems.
> >
> > De fato, you need to update whole KDE base.
>
> As long as you aren't trying to mix keywords you should generally end
> up with compatible versions without a lot of hassle.  Now, if you want
> to install some random ~arch kde packages on an otherwise-stable
> system then you might run into problems.
>
> >
> > Now I need to install Kdevelop-5.1.0, and emerge are asking to install
kde's
> > dependencies' version 5.7.1. My installed versions are 5.6.2. But emerge
> > even it I masked those packages, refuse to install.
>
> It sounds like you're running into a qt update issue (I assume you're
> talking about qt here - your description isn't very specific).
>
> If so, I suspect this will help you:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Qt/FAQ#Solving_the_block
>
> I'd have to dig up the reason behind this - there was an issue that
> prevented portage from being able to figure out how to resolve this
> one on its own.
>
> You probably should have run into this a while ago when running a
> regular emerge -uD world.
>
> --
> Rich
>

I understand, but I've updated my system 15 days ago. I don't want to
re-emerge all KDE stuff again and spends 2 days.

Because I don't know, if upgrading qt-core won't leave my whole system to
break, and emerge will start asking to update kde-base, because qt-core
require new kde-base.

Are there a way to roll back emerge-sync? Because emerge-sync clean my old
ebuilds and I can't mask the new ones, because I don't have the old ones.
This appear to be the best solution.

For while I've learnt some things about Gentoo, ever save old ebuilds,
never run emerge-sync only to upgrade firefox-bin and last, never emerge
packages without --oneshot, wether this packages isn't very very important.

And new, KDE appears to become a nightmare to have on pc. It's beautiful
but is "terrificful".

[gentoo-user] Re: Alsa equalizer won't work

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2017-07-23 16:31, Ста Деюс wrote:

> So look at your kernel config -- all the drivers are in the kernel.

This is not true.  Userspace programs interact with ALSA through the
libasound library, and I'm pretty sure that's where the incompatibility
is.  In addition, alsaequal is a plugin so there is the caps-plugins
layer.

-- 
Please don't Cc: me privately on mailing lists and Usenet,
if you also post the followup to the list or newsgroup.
Do obvious transformation on domain to reply privately _only_ on Usenet.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Alsa equalizer won't work

[Ста Деюс]

> I started my Debian's experience with Squeeze and ended with Jessie.
> No problems with alsa so far. I cannot tolerate systemd and other
> non-Unix way concepts that they adopted, so instead of updating to
> Stretch I switched to Gentoo. I must say that Gentoo is more time
> consuming thing but its flexibility and the level of possible
> customization is just amazing.

Same here. ALSA never was a problem w/ Debian. -- Even on testing and
ever before the "SystemD".

So look at your kernel config -- all the drivers are in the kernel.


Sthu.