Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a cell?
james wrote: > On 2/20/20 5:23 PM, Dale wrote: >> james wrote: >> >> >> Reading that Samsung is interested in this makes me glad I bought a >> Samsung cell phone.� :-D� While nervous about this sort of thing, >> scared >> I might brick the thing, it is interesting and something I would >> consider when the time is right. > > Agreed; totally. That's the hint, new releases of the latest cell > phones, that are flexible, particularly with groups. Developing a > gentoo base, with their help, is a win-win. Just look at where CoreOS > (a gentoo derivative) ended up. Big business, and now trying to save > IBM from themselves. Of coarse Redhat is dropping very fast in > popularity as a linux distro, cause they now see the power of gentoo. > But they did continue with systemd, > which is another 'can of worms'. > > > There is a recent 'spat' between Samsung and Google on kernel > sources... that is an interesting read; ymmv. What the result is; is > that Samsung is reaching out directly to the hard core linux community > (that's gentoo folks), although not directly credited (as usual). It's > a short read. > > > https://www.gsmgotech.com/2020/02/google-criticizes-samsung-for-making.html > > > > I got backed into this because of my history (I actually put GTE on > the commercial internet back in 1990, as Florida's fist ISP > CFTnet.com. Lots of dead bodies... > > > Now, I'm a 5G activist, so that telcos become merely non-exclusive > bandwidth providers and only the less informed use them for mobile > software stacks. We'll see, I may get shot, but I'm old and just > tired of the bullshit of the carriers, the F_fed idiots and all of > those punks with nefarious intentions. Time to stand up, ymmv. > > > I think 'doctor trump' is ready to return the freedom and control of > the airwaves, back to the citizens. The swamp really, really smells > bad and is rotten to the core. > > > >> Who is this DALE you mention?� Just curious since that's my name >> and I'm >> on a tractor, when arthritis allows it. > > > > Yep, that was (you) I referenced, with just one pseudo use case of > multiple gentoo cell phones acting in a mobile cluster. I hope I did > not insult your countenance.? > > > Like it or not, you seem to find bugs and flaws that most of us miss. > Besides with 4 cell phones, you could have an audio reproduction > system that is 3 dimensional, and custom graphical tools, not > purchased from a farm equipment dealer but hacked together many > internet folks. > > > Folks like you, are the poster child for what 5G is all about. The > carriers think it's an opportunity to extort more money from the US > citizens. Let's build our own secure networks, cheaply, and use the > carriers as but one option to move bits. Carriers should not have ever > been allowed to dictate and control communications. Dig ditches, lay > fiber and connect to a myriad of equipment, controlled by others, is > what carriers *should* be focused on. > > > 5G is an opportunity for a real communications revolution and GENTOO > needs to be right in the middle of the birthing of real communications > freedom. Multi-path links and 5G hardware, will allow the citizens to > control their secure communications. Very likely to be the biggest > issue, in the 2024 election, republican or democrat, as we all have > the right to completely secure communications, as much as we have the > right to consume oxygen from the atmosphere! > > >> Dale >> >> :-)� :-) > > WE rig you up, you just might have to ride that tractor to DC, so > folks see that this pending communications revolution is about > empowerment of the masses. Lots of street parties along the way; > that's my hope (and prayer). an old fashion 'hippi music festival in > each town. > > > 99.9 percent of classified material is bullshit. It's a ruse; just a > tool of economic competition and exclusion, for the LARGE vendors to > have exclusive, non competitive access to do work for the government, > without small vendors having a shot. > > > 5G CAN change everything! Gentoo should blaze the open source pathway > of contributions and WE all should dream, build and get control of our > country back! > > > 5G may be our last chance before Satan rules via consolidating all the > large governments! 5G is our last chance, imho, for citizens to get > control of their respective countries back. Stand or die, as the > plagues of the last days, are just around the corner. Gentoo saves the > world? Sound like a good movie for someone to make. > > > Be blessed, > James > > > Yea, I'm good at finding a bug. My recent experience with a stage3 tarball shows that. After several tries, I came to the conclusion that the stage3 tarball is basically worthless. I unpacked it, copied over the new tree, no need downloading a new one when I have one, then tried to update it with the default USE flags the stage3 provides. Right at the start, I ran into a circular dependency and some blocked
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a cell?
On 2/20/20 5:23 PM, Dale wrote: james wrote: On 2/18/20 11:00 PM, r...@nmare.net wrote: On Feb 18, 2020 22:33, james wrote: ��� On 2/18/20 9:29 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: ���� > ���� > On 19/2/20 4:16 am, james wrote: ���� >> So, ���� >> ���� >> After contacting several US carriers, the cover story is you can ��� get a ���� >> cell phone, root it with linux, and it 'should work'. ��� Supposedly, you ���� >> are encourage, but they ���� >> will not offer any help. So rather than spending months, ���� >> I'd like to 'cheat' and find a gentoo hack(er) that has ���� >> rooted and put some form of gentoo, or embedded_gentoo ���� >> on a cell phone. ���� >> ���� >> Please respond to the list, but, for whatever reason, private ���� >> responses are OK too. ���� >> ���� >> ���� >> I'm just tire of my Android cell phone downloading update *every ���� >> night*. I want/need control of the stacks ���� >> running on the phone. I have heard this is quite popular in ��� Europe and ���� >> the Rf circuits have their own firmware, so it's really next to ���� >> impossible to hack the Rf side ���� >> of communications.? ���� >> ���� >> ���� >> Any and all responses, public or private, are most welcome. ��� Links only ���� >> are fine too! ���� >> ���� >> ���� >> James ���� > ���� > ���� > For gentoo, I would say "not easy at all" - the problem is custom ���� > hardware, propriety drivers and lack of information, even in well ���� > supported models. ���� > ���� > There was an app where you could install gentoo into something ��� like a ���� > container - worked well but the android kernel I was using at the ��� time ���� > didn't have some functioned enabled that fed into limiting some ���� > operations in the container. ���� > ���� > Easier and more practical would be to install LibreOS. You can ��� build ii ���� > yourself and build/include your own software as needed - I did it ��� many ���� > times with its Cyanogenmod predecessor (I presume you still ��� can).� There ���� > are some other stacks suitable for phones such as sailfish and even ���� > android can be built yourself (and you can defang/customise it while ���� > doing it - google not needed and if you dont install GAPPS it still ���� > works fine) ���� > ���� > To be honest, if what you mentioned is your main gripe, build ��� android ���� > and use a third party app store like F-Droid to control that side ��� of the ���� > equation. ���� > ���� > Make sure you look into rooting, flashing a new OS and the ��� implications ���� > of doing so - that can be another whole level of pain depending ��� on the ���� > brand of your hardware, and how recent it is (less chance with ��� new stuff ���� > as the really smart people have not had time to trailblaze :) ���� > ���� > BillK ��� Good info (thanks!) ��� Here's what I've found so far. The purpose of this posting is to share ��� info, so we have a gentoo on a cell phone. I am currently researching ��� 'unlocked' samsung phones that support 5G and CDMA, so most sim cards ��� should work. If others are interested, or know of viable github (etc) ��� places to upload codes to, gentoo centric, I'd be all for that. I just ��� done with carriers running my cell phones. Sure they can control the RF ��� (hardware), but not the software running on the phone. here are a few ��� links:: https://fossbytes.com/how-to-install-a-linux-on-android-phone-without-rooting/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators ��� Here is an unlocked 5G and CDMA? I'm looking at to root with gentoo:: ��� Galaxy S20 5G 128GB (Unlocked) https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s20-5g-128gb-unlocked-sm-g981uzaaxaa/ ��� Chating with samsung right now. Explaining *why* there needs to be a ��� samsung dev phone, supporting and working with Gentoo�� we'll see ��� how this goes... ��� More comments? encouragement, folks interested? ��� James I am very interested, although my testing capabilities would be restricted to a non-samsung Pixel 3. My�understanding is also that the Pixel and Nexus devices publish their "vendor blobs" or hardware binaries online which may help?�I've experimented with Ubuntu Touch a
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a cell?
james wrote: > On 2/18/20 11:00 PM, r...@nmare.net wrote: >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2020 22:33, james wrote: >> >> On 2/18/20 9:29 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: >> > >> > On 19/2/20 4:16 am, james wrote: >> >> So, >> >> >> >> After contacting several US carriers, the cover story is you can >> get a >> >> cell phone, root it with linux, and it 'should work'. >> Supposedly, you >> >> are encourage, but they >> >> will not offer any help. So rather than spending months, >> >> I'd like to 'cheat' and find a gentoo hack(er) that has >> >> rooted and put some form of gentoo, or embedded_gentoo >> >> on a cell phone. >> >> >> >> Please respond to the list, but, for whatever reason, private >> >> responses are OK too. >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm just tire of my Android cell phone downloading update *every >> >> night*. I want/need control of the stacks >> >> running on the phone. I have heard this is quite popular in >> Europe and >> >> the Rf circuits have their own firmware, so it's really next to >> >> impossible to hack the Rf side >> >> of communications.? >> >> >> >> >> >> Any and all responses, public or private, are most welcome. >> Links only >> >> are fine too! >> >> >> >> >> >> James >> > >> > >> > For gentoo, I would say "not easy at all" - the problem is custom >> > hardware, propriety drivers and lack of information, even in well >> > supported models. >> > >> > There was an app where you could install gentoo into something >> like a >> > container - worked well but the android kernel I was using at the >> time >> > didn't have some functioned enabled that fed into limiting some >> > operations in the container. >> > >> > Easier and more practical would be to install LibreOS. You can >> build ii >> > yourself and build/include your own software as needed - I did it >> many >> > times with its Cyanogenmod predecessor (I presume you still >> can).� There >> > are some other stacks suitable for phones such as sailfish and >> even >> > android can be built yourself (and you can defang/customise it >> while >> > doing it - google not needed and if you dont install GAPPS it >> still >> > works fine) >> > >> > To be honest, if what you mentioned is your main gripe, build >> android >> > and use a third party app store like F-Droid to control that side >> of the >> > equation. >> > >> > Make sure you look into rooting, flashing a new OS and the >> implications >> > of doing so - that can be another whole level of pain depending >> on the >> > brand of your hardware, and how recent it is (less chance with >> new stuff >> > as the really smart people have not had time to trailblaze :) >> > >> > BillK >> >> Good info (thanks!) >> Here's what I've found so far. The purpose of this posting is to >> share >> info, so we have a gentoo on a cell phone. I am currently >> researching >> 'unlocked' samsung phones that support 5G and CDMA, so most sim >> cards >> should work. If others are interested, or know of viable github >> (etc) >> places to upload codes to, gentoo centric, I'd be all for that. I >> just >> done with carriers running my cell phones. Sure they can control >> the RF >> (hardware), but not the software running on the phone. here are a >> few >> links:: >> >> >> >> https://fossbytes.com/how-to-install-a-linux-on-android-phone-without-rooting/ >> >> >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators >> >> >> Here is an unlocked 5G and CDMA? I'm looking at to root with >> gentoo:: >> >> Galaxy S20 5G 128GB (Unlocked) >> >> https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s20-5g-128gb-unlocked-sm-g981uzaaxaa/ >> >> >> Chating with samsung right now. Explaining *why* there needs to be a >> samsung dev phone, supporting and working with Gentoo�� >> we'll see >> how this goes... >> >> More comments? encouragement, folks interested? >> >> James >> >> I am very interested, although my testing capabilities would be >> restricted to a non-samsung Pixel 3. My�understanding is also that >> the Pixel and Nexus devices publish their "vendor blobs" or hardware >> binaries online which may help?�I've experimented with Ubuntu Touch >> a bit on the Nexus 5, however the device is quite slow at this point. >> My use case wouldn't be so much for control over updates, but more >> for things like Convergence (Ubuntu), Dex (Samsung) or Android >> Desktop. Where you dock your phone and have a linux/Android desktop >> with floating windows etc. >> >> �I'd like to be kept in the loop on this, and if possible I would >> also like to help contribute
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a cell?
On 2/18/20 11:00 PM, r...@nmare.net wrote: On Feb 18, 2020 22:33, james wrote: On 2/18/20 9:29 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: > > On 19/2/20 4:16 am, james wrote: >> So, >> >> After contacting several US carriers, the cover story is you can get a >> cell phone, root it with linux, and it 'should work'. Supposedly, you >> are encourage, but they >> will not offer any help. So rather than spending months, >> I'd like to 'cheat' and find a gentoo hack(er) that has >> rooted and put some form of gentoo, or embedded_gentoo >> on a cell phone. >> >> Please respond to the list, but, for whatever reason, private >> responses are OK too. >> >> >> I'm just tire of my Android cell phone downloading update *every >> night*. I want/need control of the stacks >> running on the phone. I have heard this is quite popular in Europe and >> the Rf circuits have their own firmware, so it's really next to >> impossible to hack the Rf side >> of communications.? >> >> >> Any and all responses, public or private, are most welcome. Links only >> are fine too! >> >> >> James > > > For gentoo, I would say "not easy at all" - the problem is custom > hardware, propriety drivers and lack of information, even in well > supported models. > > There was an app where you could install gentoo into something like a > container - worked well but the android kernel I was using at the time > didn't have some functioned enabled that fed into limiting some > operations in the container. > > Easier and more practical would be to install LibreOS. You can build ii > yourself and build/include your own software as needed - I did it many > times with its Cyanogenmod predecessor (I presume you still can).� There > are some other stacks suitable for phones such as sailfish and even > android can be built yourself (and you can defang/customise it while > doing it - google not needed and if you dont install GAPPS it still > works fine) > > To be honest, if what you mentioned is your main gripe, build android > and use a third party app store like F-Droid to control that side of the > equation. > > Make sure you look into rooting, flashing a new OS and the implications > of doing so - that can be another whole level of pain depending on the > brand of your hardware, and how recent it is (less chance with new stuff > as the really smart people have not had time to trailblaze :) > > BillK Good info (thanks!) Here's what I've found so far. The purpose of this posting is to share info, so we have a gentoo on a cell phone. I am currently researching 'unlocked' samsung phones that support 5G and CDMA, so most sim cards should work. If others are interested, or know of viable github (etc) places to upload codes to, gentoo centric, I'd be all for that. I just done with carriers running my cell phones. Sure they can control the RF (hardware), but not the software running on the phone. here are a few links:: https://fossbytes.com/how-to-install-a-linux-on-android-phone-without-rooting/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators Here is an unlocked 5G and CDMA? I'm looking at to root with gentoo:: Galaxy S20 5G 128GB (Unlocked) https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s20-5g-128gb-unlocked-sm-g981uzaaxaa/ Chating with samsung right now. Explaining *why* there needs to be a samsung dev phone, supporting and working with Gentoo�� we'll see how this goes... More comments? encouragement, folks interested? James I am very interested, although my testing capabilities would be restricted to a non-samsung Pixel 3. My�understanding is also that the Pixel and Nexus devices publish their "vendor blobs" or hardware binaries online which may help?�I've experimented with Ubuntu Touch a bit on the Nexus 5, however the device is quite slow at this point. My use case wouldn't be so much for control over updates, but more for things like Convergence (Ubuntu), Dex (Samsung) or Android Desktop. Where you dock your phone and have a linux/Android desktop with floating windows etc. �I'd like to be kept in the loop on this, and if possible I would also like to help contribute software however I'm not really skilled with hardware. I configure my kernel and that's about it. Sorry, I missed this. Super busy, trying to get Samsung to 'throw this effort a bone', in the form of deeply one-time discounted Samsung note:11 phone, that are unlocked and support booting multiple embedded (phone) OSes. Think about it (3) or more different stacks to test out one against
Re: [gentoo-user] Desktop-no-multilib profile - possible?
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, at 22:21, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: > I will never ever run 32bit software again and would really like to have > a desktop-no-multilib profile, in sync with the regular desktop but simply > without the multilib goop. My server is running precisely as I want with > plain no-multilib, and I know I could just copy my USE flags over and > maintain my own "self-made-desktop" settings, but that would mean I'd lose > all the defaults and ongoing updates, which *are* kind of nice. I think you should try creating a local custom combined profile. For example I needed to create a systemd + no-multilib profile. I called this custom profile "fturco" (my username, but of course you can choose any name). I created the /var/db/repos/fturco/profiles/fturco/parent file with the following lines: > ../../../gentoo/profiles/default/linux/amd64/17.1/systemd > ../../../gentoo/profiles/default/linux/amd64/17.1/no-multilib /var/db/repos/fturco is the directory with my local custom gentoo repository. ../../../gentoo points to /var/db/repos/gentoo, which is the official gentoo repository. I also needed to create the /var/dotfiles/db/repos/fturco/profiles/profiles.desc file with the following line: > amd64 fturco stable At this point you can set your profile with eselect profile, and then update the system with: emerge -uDNav @world
