Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application
On 8/16/20 5:07 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: Going OT here, but why do you dislike Docker? I've only recently started using it, so if there are any major, or otherwise, drawbacks, I'd like to know before I get too entwined in their ecosystem. Why do I need one or more (more with older versions) additional daemons to run simple services or virtual routers (network namespaces)? I don't like many of the implications which, as I understand it, Docker imposes. Conversely I can do what I want with a few relatively simple (to me) commands directly in init scripts. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
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Pengcheng Xu wrote: > The email in question didn’t have "really small, tiny even, font"; it is > simply an empty email with no subject and body. > > Note: times when forcing plain text when reading actually helps :P > > Regards, Someone replied, off list maybe, that it is some sort of joke in Germany. The main reason for my reply is in case someone wanted to unsub from the list. It seems some lists will do that with a empty email but Gentoo requires it to be sent to a unsub address. It seems some know how to subscribe but not how to leave. lol Anyway. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
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The email in question didn’t have "really small, tiny even, font"; it is simply an empty email with no subject and body. Note: times when forcing plain text when reading actually helps :P Regards, -- Pengcheng Xu https://jsteward.moe > -Original Message- > From: Dale > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 7:20 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] > > Hans Wurst wrote: > > > > Well, the email made it to the list but unless you used some really small, > tiny > even, font, we didn't get anything to read. lol Are you trying to unsub from > the list? Accidentally send a empty message? Anything else we can assist you > with? > > Dale > > :-) :-) openpgp-digital-signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Title: Re: [gentoo-user] I remember a Futurama episode (maybe even the first), where Fry tried to deliver a pizza to somebody called I.C. Wiener. "Hans Wurst" is a similar joke name in Germany. dict.leo.org translates "Hanswurst" to "tomfool" as in "what kind of tomfoolery is this?". s. "Dale" , 16.08.2020, 13:19: Hans Wurst wrote: Well, the email made it to the list but unless you used some really small, tiny even, font, we didn't get anything to read. lol Are you trying to unsub from the list? Accidentally send a empty message? Anything else we can assist you with? Dale :-) :-) -- Stefan Schmiedl EDV-Beratung Schmiedl, Berghangstr. 5, 93413 Cham Büro: +49 (0) 9971 9966 989, Mobil: +49 (0) 160 9981 6278
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application
On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:26:36 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > > Going OT here, but why do you dislike Docker? I've only recently > > started using it, so if there are any major, or otherwise, drawbacks, > > I'd like to know before I get too entwined in their ecosystem. > > It has been a while since I've tried it, but networking with Docker is > a PITA. Just having it use DHCP/DNS like any normal host isn't an > option, and it seems like you have to stick some kind of reverse proxy > in front of everything. That makes sense, although I'm running a reverse proxy anyway as I have different services on different hosts behind a single public IP address. I saw a systems using Traefik last week. Traefik offers some sort of auto-discovery to handle this sort of thing. > I can see how it makes sense at scale. However, if you just need one > instance of something, it is just way more complexity than you need. Yes, it's more work for a single container, but once you start running more there's very little extra work involved. > I personally use nspawn to run my containers, with a network > namespace. They just have their own MACs, run DHCP, and generally > work like any VM minus the memory use. I've used nspawn in the past and it worked well for what I needed, maybe I need to revisit it. > But, perhaps I just need to drink more of the kool-aide and it will > click some day. All I want is to be able to type a.b.com in my > browser and have it display the service I just started up. With > nspawn that is just a matter of a few lines in dhcpd.conf and my BIND > config. That seems to be what Traefik promises when used with Docker, make that Kool-Aid a double :) -- Neil Bothwick Windows Error #09: Mouse not found. Press mouse button to continue. pgpOcEUk7gaEQ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:07 AM Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 12:22:19 -0600, Grant Taylor wrote: > > > I dislike Docker, but I do like the idea of containers or network > > namespaces. > > Going OT here, but why do you dislike Docker? I've only recently started > using it, so if there are any major, or otherwise, drawbacks, I'd like to > know before I get too entwined in their ecosystem. It has been a while since I've tried it, but networking with Docker is a PITA. Just having it use DHCP/DNS like any normal host isn't an option, and it seems like you have to stick some kind of reverse proxy in front of everything. I can see how it makes sense at scale. However, if you just need one instance of something, it is just way more complexity than you need. I personally use nspawn to run my containers, with a network namespace. They just have their own MACs, run DHCP, and generally work like any VM minus the memory use. But, perhaps I just need to drink more of the kool-aide and it will click some day. All I want is to be able to type a.b.com in my browser and have it display the service I just started up. With nspawn that is just a matter of a few lines in dhcpd.conf and my BIND config. -- Rich
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Hans Wurst wrote: Well, the email made it to the list but unless you used some really small, tiny even, font, we didn't get anything to read. lol Are you trying to unsub from the list? Accidentally send a empty message? Anything else we can assist you with? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to hide a network interface from an application
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 12:22:19 -0600, Grant Taylor wrote: > I dislike Docker, but I do like the idea of containers or network > namespaces. Going OT here, but why do you dislike Docker? I've only recently started using it, so if there are any major, or otherwise, drawbacks, I'd like to know before I get too entwined in their ecosystem. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 38: Government organization pgp9qihZoAdkd.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
