Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)

2020-08-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/26/20 7:07 PM, Ashley Dixon wrote: I meant (a), in the sense that you should probably write it up in a more presentable fashion than a GitHub README page. You might want to nicely typeset it in TeX or something to make it seem more serious. Just a suggestion... I'm sure there

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/18/20 6:44 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: I will have to collect a list and get back to you. Here are part of some crude notes that I created for myself to use to build a Gentoo mail server about three years ago. This is the email specific parts. The rest were for other non-email aspects.

Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)

2020-08-26 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 08:33:58PM +, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:57 PM, Ashley Dixon > wrote: > > > Why the name "HillaryMail", and why does the logo contain a picture of > > Margaret Thatcher? ;-) > > very true (re: thatcher). now i cannot unsee the >

Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)

2020-08-26 Thread Caveman Al Toraboran
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:57 PM, Ashley Dixon wrote: > Why the name "HillaryMail", and why does the logo contain a picture of > Margaret > Thatcher? ;-) very true (re: thatcher). now i cannot unsee the thatcher in the pixel art. i have 2 options: (1) rename protocol into

Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)

2020-08-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/26/20 3:33 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: I would suggest using any reference to Hillary Clinton. Typo: I would suggest *NOT* using any reference to Hillary Clinton. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)

2020-08-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/26/20 2:33 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: as for the name "hillarymail", nothing against her. I would suggest using any reference to Hillary Clinton. I believe her name is too politically charged to use it in good faith. it's just that i heard so much about hillary's mails up to a

[gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)

2020-08-26 Thread Caveman Al Toraboran
hi. i request comments on this new mail protocol which i plan to implement some day if things turn out well. here is its zeroth draft: https://github.com/al-caveman/hillarymail rgrds, cm.

Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)

2020-08-26 Thread james
On 8/26/20 1:57 PM, Ashley Dixon wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 05:19:16PM +, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: hi. i request comments on this new mail protocol which i plan to implement some day if things turn out well. here is its zeroth draft: https://github.com/al-caveman/hillarymail

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 10:11 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: not a major point but just to clarify a thing. i think it's unfair to look at SMTP as a single thing that compares against HTTP*. because while HTTP* is a single-ish thing, SMTP is several things. i.e. SMTP is at least 2 parts: Fair point.

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:51 PM Grant Taylor wrote: > > On 8/21/20 5:58 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > It is what just about every other modern application in existence uses. > > VoIP does not. Yes, but VoIP isn't just implementing a simple data-exchange API. It is a streaming protocol. > No

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 5:58 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: It is what just about every other modern application in existence uses. VoIP does not. No RDBMSs that I'm aware of use it as their primary protocol. (Some may be able to use HTTP(S) as an alternative.) Outlook to Exchange does (did?) not use it. It

Re: [gentoo-user] new mail protocol rfc (was Re: tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?)

2020-08-26 Thread Ashley Dixon
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 05:19:16PM +, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > hi. i request comments on this new mail protocol > which i plan to implement some day if things turn > out well. here is its zeroth draft: > > https://github.com/al-caveman/hillarymail Interesting proposal. A few

Re: [gentoo-user] tips on running a mail server in a cheap vps provider run but not-so-trusty admins?

2020-08-26 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/21/20 10:15 PM, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: just to double check i got you right. due to flushing the buffer to disk, this would mean that mail's throughput is limited by disk i/o? Yes. This speed limitation is viewed as a necessary limitation for the safety of email passing through