On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:43:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts.
Not so much for ~20 or so.
I find that for a few machines, puppet is overkill. For a lot of
machines, puppet can become unmanageable - with puppet master
Hi there,I recently discovered Puppet[1], From their web site: Puppet is an open-source next-generation server automation tool. It is
composed of a declarative language for expressing system configuration, a
client and server for distributing it, and a library
for realizing the
configuration
On 17/09/2014 07:46, Hans de Graaff wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:43:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts.
Not so much for ~20 or so. Plus puppet's language and configs get large
and hard to keep track of - lots and lots
We use bcfg2, and all I can say is to stay away. XML abuse runs rampant
in bcfg2. From what I've heard from other professional sysadmins, Puppet
is the favorite, but that's mostly conjecture.
Alec
On 09/16/2014 04:43 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:55:41 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
or...
puppet and it's kin
Last time I looked at puppet, it seemed too complex for what I need.
I will recheck it again.
What about something like monit?
--
Neil Bothwick
Bug: (n.) any program feature not yet described
Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef?
What are your thoughts?
I've made several attempts over the years to get puppet going but never
really got it off the ground. Chef I stay away from (likely due to the
first demo of it I saw and how badly that went)
Puppet seems to me
On 17/09/2014 11:34, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:19:37 PM Eray Aslan wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:43:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts.
Not so much for ~20 or so.
I find that for a few
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:43:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts.
Not so much for ~20 or so. Plus puppet's language and configs get large
and hard to keep track of - lots and lots of directory trees with many
things mentioning other
Hello,
On Thu, 18 Aug 2016, james wrote:
>other tools:: 'lshw'
or sys-apps/hwinfo
HTH,
-dnh
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/client arrangement with
the only Gentoo install being on the server could be
appropriate.
- Grant
You may want to look at something like a config management
system.
I'm using Puppet these days, but Gentoo support isn't spectacular.
It would be a bit complex to have Puppet install
On 27/09/2013 06:33, Johann Schmitz wrote:
Hi Alan,
On 26.09.2013 22:42, Alan McKinnon wrote:
You will break things horribly and will curse the day you tried.
Basically, puppet and portage will get in each other's way and clobber
each other. Puppet has no concept of USE flags worth a damn
On 17/09/2014 03:30, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
We use bcfg2, and all I can say is to stay away. XML abuse runs rampant
in bcfg2. From what I've heard from other professional sysadmins, Puppet
is the favorite, but that's mostly conjecture.
XML. Ugh. OSSEC works like that too. The software itself
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:43:18 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef?
What are your thoughts?
I've made several attempts over the years to get puppet going but never
really got it off the ground. Chef I stay away from (likely due
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:19:37 PM Eray Aslan wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:43:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Puppet seems to me a good product for a large site with 1000 hosts.
Not so much for ~20 or so.
I find that for a few machines, puppet is overkill. For a lot
to put together a bunch of new
workstations
and I'm thinking some sort of server/client arrangement with
the only Gentoo install being on the server could be
appropriate.
- Grant
You may want to look at something like a config management
system.
I'm using Puppet
Hi Alan,
On 26.09.2013 22:42, Alan McKinnon wrote:
You will break things horribly and will curse the day you tried.
Basically, puppet and portage will get in each other's way and clobber
each other. Puppet has no concept of USE flags worth a damn, cannot
determine in advance what an ebuild
On 17/09/2014 09:34, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:43:18 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef?
What are your thoughts?
I've made several attempts over the years to get puppet going but never
really got it off the ground
On Sunday, June 29, 2014 09:35:33 AM Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:55:41 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
or...
puppet and it's kin
Last time I looked at puppet, it seemed too complex for what I need.
I will recheck it again.
What about something like monit?
Hmm... I
with
the only Gentoo install being on the server could be
appropriate.
- Grant
You may want to look at something like a config management
system.
I'm using Puppet these days, but Gentoo support isn't spectacular.
It would be a bit complex to have Puppet install the packages
On 2014-09-17 14:07, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Nagios btw has the same problem hence why I'm switching to Icinga 2
which fixes Nagios's config language once and for all.
Or you can use hostgroups/templates and have all your configuration in
files and in git. Depends what you like more.
On 2014-09-16 22:43, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef?
What are your thoughts?
I've made several attempts over the years to get puppet going but never
really got it off the ground. Chef I stay away from (likely due to the
first demo of it I saw
On 17/09/2014 09:07, Tomas Mozes wrote:
On 2014-09-16 22:43, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef?
What are your thoughts?
I've made several attempts over the years to get puppet going but never
really got it off the ground. Chef I stay away from
that into service as your master build host. yeah, it takes 10% longer
to build stuff, but so what? Do it overnight.
Maybe puppet could help with that? It would almost be
like my own distro. Some laptops would have stuff installed that they
don't need but at least they aren't running Fedora
On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:12:52 AM Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 17/09/2014 09:34, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:43:18 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
Anyone here used ansible and at least one of puppet/chef?
What are your thoughts?
I've made several attempts
anything about SCIRE but you may want to take a look at puppet:
http://reductivelabs.com/projects/puppet/index.html
There are ebuilds available from bugs.gentoo.org.
Cheers,
Duane.
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wmi stuff, IIRC. I've
been using a combination of Mysql backed Puppet with stored resources
for system management. Then push Nagios configs to the Nagios server via
tags in Puppet. Still working to get it right, but it's about there.
Next step is to get collectd working with Nagios as well
.
As the others have pointed out it's coming, but in the short term you
can always gem install directly and continue to use the init scripts
that shipped with the portage package. I do the same on Ubuntu w/ Puppet.
kashani
Am 27.07.2014 18:25, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Only last week I re-attacked this topic as I start using puppet here to
manage my systems ... and one part of this might be sharing /usr/portage
via NFSv4. One client host mounts it without a problem, the thinkpads
don't do so ... just
On 27/01/2015 10:49, Tomas Mozes wrote:
I haven't tested it yet, however I like the minimalistic syntax.
As an ansible user - do you plan to allow using default values for
modules and/or variables?
+1 for that.
I'm also a happy ansible user with zero plans to change, but I can't
imagine a
On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 01:55:30PM +0200, gevisz wrote:
>
> So, my main question is How can I ensure that the already
> edited /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ru file will not be overwritten
> during the next system update. Thabk you.
>
Use a configuration management tool like pu
You may want to look at something like a config management system. I'm
using Puppet these days, but Gentoo support isn't spectacular. It would
be a bit complex to have Puppet install the packages with the correct
USE flags. However you could use Puppet to manage all the text files and
then manage
distribution and is probable more tightly integrated
with something like debian or such OSes.
Can you give me a general idea of how my workflow might be with a
solution like that?
It's not really possible to give a cut and dried answer to that, as all
three solutions (CFEngine, Puppet, Chef) try
Am 08.01.2015 um 00:02 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
In my opinion, ansible almost always beats puppet.
Puppet is a) complex b) built to be able to deal with vast enterprise
setups and c) has a definition language I never could wrap my brains
around. It always felt to me like puppet was never
by a network boot. you
could even boot them from thumb drives or cds.
of course, it would be a good bit of work to configure initially,
and might not go whithout a hitch.
For configuration, you may want to look at something like puppet to manage
that. Your build machine would the puppetmaster
Am 24.06.2010 05:04, schrieb kashani:
That's works. :-) I was doing a fair amount of rpm building, svn to
git with large trees, kickstart, Mysql, and Puppet work at a job a few
months ago which was hitting the host fairly hard. Between the above and
Outlook getting an extra drive
scripts
that shipped with the portage package. I do the same on Ubuntu w/ Puppet.
kashani
On 2014-09-17 10:08, Alan McKinnon wrote:
That's almost exactly the same setup I have in mind.
How complex do the playbooks get in real-life?
The common role has about 70 tasks. It does almost everything covered in
the handbook plus installs and configures additional stuff like postfix,
On 01/27/2015 11:33 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 27/01/2015 10:49, Tomas Mozes wrote:
I haven't tested it yet, however I like the minimalistic syntax.
As an ansible user - do you plan to allow using default values for
modules and/or variables?
+1 for that.
I'm also a happy ansible user
that your X doesn't find.
-dnh
--
"I'm nobody's puppet!"-- Rygel XIV
. What do you think? Will it work? Is it
possible to rollback an update if something goes wrong?
We're working on womething similar using catalyst [1] to create a custom
livecd, quickstart [2] to automate installation of a basic working system
from that livecd and puppet (already mentioned
with only two realistic
options: go to every machine and configure it there directly, or put
individual per-host configs into puppet and push. It comes down to the
same thing, the only difference is the location where stuff is stored.
I'm sure I will need to carefully define those config
hard to describe in text how puppet gets the job done, so much easier to
do it for real and watch the results)
Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really need
is something to manage config file differences and user accounts. At
this point I'm thinking I shouldn't push packages
?
Does anyone of you already use something like that?
What would be a proper and clever way to do that?
Yes, I know, there is puppet and stuff ... but as far as I see this is
overkill for my needs.
I'd like to maintain some good and basic /etc, maybe plus
/var/lib/portage/world and /root/.alias
Alec Ten Harmsel alec at alectenharmsel.com writes:
We use bcfg2, and all I can say is to stay away. XML abuse runs rampant
in bcfg2. From what I've heard from other professional sysadmins, Puppet
is the favorite, but that's mostly conjecture.
Hi Alec!
Anyone here used ansible
What
Hi,
I've been working on my own replacement for Bcfg2 - bossman[1] - over
the past few months, and it's finally ready to be released in the wild.
I would be honored if anyone on this list who's thinking of trying
puppet, chef, ansible, bcfg2, etc. would try out bossman instead.
bossman has
On 2015-01-26 16:30, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
Hi,
I've been working on my own replacement for Bcfg2 - bossman[1] - over
the past few months, and it's finally ready to be released in the wild.
I would be honored if anyone on this list who's thinking of trying
puppet, chef, ansible, bcfg2, etc
ating - only you know
that.
I think you want Tower or AWX or even rundeck, those are
scheduling/controlling/orchestration wrappers that can fire off ansible
jobs.
As a last resort you can always add a cron to run an overall site.yml
play every X hours or so
Are you coming from a puppet/salt/ch
for that posting, it reminds me of some bigger issue I wanted to
discuss here for quite a while now.
Over the years I am now responsible for dozens of servers and VMs
running gentoo linux ... and I wonder how to efficiently keep track of them.
I learned my first steps with puppet and use it in a basic
issue I wanted to
discuss here for quite a while now.
Over the years I am now responsible for dozens of servers and VMs
running gentoo linux ... and I wonder how to efficiently keep track of them.
I learned my first steps with puppet and use it in a basic setup for my
own machines in my LAN
ssh $h yum install foo; done' approach.
You could have a look at app-admin/puppet [1][2] which supposedly takes
car of these things.
[...]
Now I am thinking about a Gentoo installation instead.
Pros:
- Continuous updates, no downtime for upgrading, only when I decide to
install a new
hard to describe in text how puppet gets the job done, so much easier to
do it for real and watch the results)
Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really need
is something to manage config file differences and user accounts. At
this point I'm thinking I shouldn't push
.
I think you should take a look at:http://www.reductivelabs.com/projects/puppet/index.htmlhttp://www.cfengine.org/
Best regardsJose
amount of rpm building, svn to git
with large trees, kickstart, Mysql, and Puppet work at a job a few
months ago which was hitting the host fairly hard. Between the above and
Outlook getting an extra drive to isolate the host OS from the VMs was a
requirement. Much smoother after that.
kashani
have shortcomings/quirks and advantages (e.g. when
dumping html as text results vary and with what options you can tune
the result).
HTH,
-dnh
--
I'm nobody's puppet!-- Rygel XIV
Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really need
is something to manage config file differences and user accounts. At
this point I'm thinking I shouldn't push packages themselves, but
portage config files and then let each laptop emerge unattended based
on those
that?
Yes, I know, there is puppet and stuff ... but as far as I see this is
overkill for my needs.
I'd like to maintain some good and basic /etc, maybe plus
/var/lib/portage/world and /root/.alias (etc etc ..) to be able to
deploy a good and nice standardized gentoo server. Then adjust config
puppet here to
manage my systems ... and one part of this might be sharing /usr/portage
via NFSv4. One client host mounts it without a problem, the thinkpads
don't do so ... just another example ;-)
Additional in my context: using systemd ... so there are other
(different?) dependencies at work
On 17/09/2014 14:46, Tomas Mozes wrote:
On 2014-09-17 10:08, Alan McKinnon wrote:
That's almost exactly the same setup I have in mind.
How complex do the playbooks get in real-life?
The common role has about 70 tasks. It does almost everything covered in
the handbook plus installs and
Alec Ten Harmsel alec at alectenharmsel.com writes:
Assuming that disks are formatted, a stage3 has been freshly extracted,
bossman is installed, and the role/config files are on a mounted
filesystem, it should be similar to the role below:
I think the list needs to be expanded, generically
Alec Ten Harmsel alec at alectenharmsel.com writes:
I'm sorry to spam gentoo-user, but I'm not sure who else would be
interested in something like this. Also, feel free to email me with bugs
in the code or documentation, or open something in GitHub's issue tracker.
One man's spam generates
.
Over the years I am now responsible for dozens of servers and VMs
running gentoo linux ... and I wonder how to efficiently keep track of them.
I learned my first steps with puppet and use it in a basic setup for my
own machines in my LAN. It seems to work better for many identical
servers, let's
On 2015-11-29 06:57, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
two "identical" (better read: expected to be identical... ;)
Just a quick suggestion - you should use ansible or puppet to keep them
in sync.
Arietta
G25 tiny embedded systems have a Gentoo installed each. Both are
upda
Alec Ten Harmsel <a...@alectenharmsel.com> [15-11-29 13:16]:
>
>
> On 2015-11-29 06:57, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >two "identical" (better read: expected to be identical... ;)
>
> Just a quick suggestion - you should use ansible
nstall your own OS?
>
> BTW since Java is a VM I'm surprised there is no service that lets you just
> upload a Java app and run it remotely on the service without any OS
> management. Am I missing anything there?
>
> - Grant
>
linode.com and kimsufi.com lets you install
too.
It appears that some are using OpenStack and Ceph with
Git, Ansible, Puppet, Chef, StackStorm for similar goals
of a total management system for all the microprocessors and sensors in
their theater of responsible.
some are rooting their cell phones, to have a hand held device to
compli
, rsnapshot handles this.
And, more as a nitpick than anything else, I always recommend that when
a sysadmin adds a root cronjob, use crontab -e so it goes in
/var/spool/cron, not /etc/crontab. Two benefits:
- syntax checking when you save and quit
- if you let portage, package managers, chef, puppet
for how it all hangs together (it's
hard to describe in text how puppet gets the job done, so much easier to
do it for real and watch the results)
Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really need
is something to manage config file differences and user accounts. At
this point
in ideals to puppet and
chef?
I don't want to deploy code or manage state, I want to run code
(backups, database maintenance, repair of dodgy data in databases and
code publish in a devops environment)
Cfengine can run arbitrary commands at scheduled times, so it is capable as a
replacment for cron
of that money (around 20 dollars per paper published
in WORLDCOMP’s proceedings) to his puppet (Mr. Ashu Solo or A.M.G. Solo)
who publicizes WORLDCOMP and also defends it at various forums, using
fake/anonymous names. The puppet uses fake names and defames other conferences
to divert traffic to WORLDCOMP
for how it all hangs together (it's
hard to describe in text how puppet gets the job done, so much easier to
do it for real and watch the results)
Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really need
is something to manage config file differences and user accounts. At
this point
type of laptop and a server.
Maybe puppet could help with that? It would almost be
like my own distro. Some laptops would have stuff installed that they
don't need but at least they aren't running Fedora! :)
DO NOT PROVISION GENTOO SYSTEMS FROM PUPPET.
OK, I'm thinking over how much variation
for how it all hangs together (it's
hard to describe in text how puppet gets the job done, so much easier to
do it for real and watch the results)
Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really need
is something to manage config file differences and user accounts
, with tweaks that deal with where updates come from, and what
packages
are availble, etc. Gentoo or Debian are the two likely
candidates. I'm not
*sure* a customized distribution is appropriate.
I think you should take a look at:
http://www.reductivelabs.com/projects/puppet
tree.
What I really ought to be doing is looking at Portage way closer than I
do as an everyday user. I just want to be absolutely sure that I don't
break anything on a server when I update. But since I have recently
learned about and started learning Puppet, I think I might have a much
easier time
]
the command is
emerge world
not
emerge the-bits-of-world-you-think-you-can-deal-with
If portage cannot emerge world and fully obey what root told it to do,
then portage correctly refuses to continue. It could not possibly be
any other way, as eg all automated build tools (puppet, chef and
friends
, I always recommend that when
a sysadmin adds a root cronjob, use crontab -e so it goes in
/var/spool/cron, not /etc/crontab. Two benefits:
- syntax checking when you save and quit
- if you let portage, package managers, chef, puppet or whatever manage
your global cronjobs in /etc/portage
could see
sacrificing some security for convenience. Still I would think you
could use something like puppet to have the best of both worlds. I
have 5 machines and I think I can get it down to 3.
There is no sacrifice, you are running rsync as root on the client
either way. Alternatively, you
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 09:31:18PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
(or big chunks of it) over to your other workstations.
Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really need
is something to manage config file differences and user accounts. At
this point I'm thinking I
. And the GUI gives no clue to that cause of
failure.
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what will happen when and what
the environment looks like.
So basically I need something to replace bash and cron the same way
puppet replaces scp and for loops
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alan.mckin...@gmail.com
for the reply.
I only worked with cfengine once, briefly, years ago, and we quickly
decided to roll our own deployment solution to solve that very specific
vertical problem.
Isn't cfengine a deployment framework, similar in ideals to puppet and
chef?
I don't want to deploy code or manage state, I
On 27/01/2015 19:49, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
On 01/27/2015 11:33 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 27/01/2015 10:49, Tomas Mozes wrote:
I haven't tested it yet, however I like the minimalistic syntax.
As an ansible user - do you plan to allow using default values for
modules and/or variables?
On 01/27/2015 03:49 AM, Tomas Mozes wrote:
I haven't tested it yet, however I like the minimalistic syntax.
Thanks. Testing is kind of a high barrier; it took me hours to write a
role for jenkins.
As an ansible user - do you plan to allow using default values for
modules and/or variables?
gt; > management. Am I missing anything there?
> >
> > - Grant
>
> linode.com and kimsufi.com lets you install gentoo. There might be many
> more.
Yes, plenty.
It depends where you need them to be located.
> You might want to look into something like cfengine, puppet
imately be the most appropriate.
Thirdly, save your configuration files so you do not need to reread
the documentation each time you install a system. Look at Gentoo stage
4 tarballs and programs like Ansible or Puppet. You might also
consider running Debian. Gentoo is nice, but not necessary or even
suitable for every use case.
Cheers,
R0b0t1
a
few months ago), I select one of the files, and it lets me view a diff in
vim (configurable) of my old version and the new one from the update. Then I
can either merge the two files right in vim, or elect to keep the new or old
file entirely.
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Please do no
in that
sandbox. You'll quickly get a feel for how it all hangs together
(it's
hard to describe in text how puppet gets the job done, so much
easier to
do it for real and watch the results)
Puppet seems like overkill for what I need. I think all I really
need
is something to manage config file
on thednsserver which just runs
# ssh postfixserver '/etc/init.d/postfix start'
or...
puppet and it's kin
Last time I looked at puppet, it seemed too complex for what I need.
I will recheck it again.
Thanks,
Joost
~x86
app-admin/puppet~x86
dev-ruby/facter ~x86
media-tv/mythtv ~x86
Portage is 2.1.4.4 which my other computers are running. This was my
local rsync mirror that sync'd every two days and my other machines
sync'd off of it.
This is actually
to continue. It could not possibly be
any other way, as eg all automated build tools (puppet, chef and
friends, even flameeyes's sandbox) break horribly if you do it any
other way. Life is hard enough dealing with build failures without
adding portage do somethign different to what it was told
of date snapshots.
And, more as a nitpick than anything else, I always recommend that when
a sysadmin adds a root cronjob, use crontab -e so it goes in
/var/spool/cron, not /etc/crontab. Two benefits:
- syntax checking when you save and quit
- if you let portage, package managers, chef, puppet
think you
could use something like puppet to have the best of both worlds. I
have 5 machines and I think I can get it down to 3.
It works well, save work and minimises disk space usage, especially with
multiple similar clients. Preventing infiltration is simple as you don't
need to open
for convenience. Still I would think you
could use something like puppet to have the best of both worlds. I
have 5 machines and I think I can get it down to 3.
There is no sacrifice, you are running rsync as root on the client
either way. Alternatively, you could run rsyncd on the client, which
avoids
and
frustration.
Only last week I re-attacked this topic as I start using puppet here to
manage my systems ... and one part of this might be sharing
/usr/portage
via NFSv4. One client host mounts it without a problem, the thinkpads
don't do so ... just another example ;-)
Additional in my context
On 01/27/2015 10:34 AM, James wrote:
Alec Ten Harmsel alec at alectenharmsel.com writes:
I'm sorry to spam gentoo-user, but I'm not sure who else would be
interested in something like this. Also, feel free to email me with bugs
in the code or documentation, or open something in GitHub's
.
Well, my goal is to minimize the number of different systems I
maintain. Hopefully just one type of laptop and a server.
Maybe puppet could help with that? It would almost be
like my own distro. Some laptops would have stuff installed that they
don't need but at least they aren't running
having access to the laptop in question. Every time
we've brain-stormed this at work, we end up with only two realistic
options: go to every machine and configure it there directly, or put
individual per-host configs into puppet and push. It comes down to the
same thing, the only difference
lighten the work needed?
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/gnap-userguide.xml
That looks cool, but from my perspective it's another layer to learn,
install, configure, and manage. chef and puppet take a different
approach to lessening the burden of administrating multiple systems
/
depends on thednsserver which just runs
# ssh postfixserver '/etc/init.d/postfix start'
or...
puppet and it's kin
scripts that get
signed and dated like it is still the 80s. It isn't Walmart-type work
primarily because it is so error-prone we always need people to fix
all the stuff that breaks. My LUG meets at a mid-sized VoIP company
that uses the likes of Puppet/Chef for everything and I'm sure Docker
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