[gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb 
In /etc/portage/package.use I have

# Need these or for some games
gnome-extra/gnome-games clutter opengl

But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter

   [ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE=guile opengl 
-artworkextra (-clutter) -test 0 kB

I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.

thanks,
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann 
On Wednesday 01 June 2011 14:25:50 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
 In /etc/portage/package.use I have
 
 # Need these or for some games
 gnome-extra/gnome-games clutter opengl
 
 But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter
 
[ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE=guile opengl
 -artworkextra (-clutter) -test 0 kB
 
 I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
 but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
 me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.
 
 thanks,
 allan

have you looked at the ebuild? There is probably no clutter option and it is 
always forced on.

Would be fitting with the gnome mindset: choices are bad. Options are bad.

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb 
On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

 On Wednesday 01 June 2011 14:25:50 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
 In /etc/portage/package.use I have
 
 # Need these or for some games
 gnome-extra/gnome-games clutter opengl
 
 But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter
 
[ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE=guile opengl
 -artworkextra (-clutter) -test 0 kB
 
 I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
 but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
 me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.
 
 thanks,
 allan

 have you looked at the ebuild? There is probably no clutter option and it is 
 always forced on.

Yes I have and yes it is on by default (i.e. IUSE has +clutter).  But
why has it been removed, i.e, why (-clutter) in the emerge output?

Note that (-clutter) appears whether or not I have clutter in
package.use.

thanks,
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Paul Hartman 
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 In /etc/portage/package.use I have

    # Need these or for some games
    gnome-extra/gnome-games         clutter opengl

 But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter

   [ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE=guile opengl 
 -artworkextra (-clutter) -test 0 kB

 I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
 but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
 me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.

It is masked by profile. Look in
/usr/portage/profile/base/package.use.mask you can see:

# Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org (29 Jun 2010)
# Mask clutter till introspection is unmasked
=gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.3* clutter

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Sebastian Beßler 
Am 01.06.2011 20:25, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:

 I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,

The flag is not removed as in is not there anymore but it is masked
because using it makes, at a high percentage, problems of some kind
.
You could unmask that flag if you want to, but then you are alone on
high sea as it is absolutly unsupported.

Greetings
Sebastian



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Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb 
On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Paul Hartman wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote:
 In /etc/portage/package.use I have

    # Need these or for some games
    gnome-extra/gnome-games         clutter opengl

 But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter

   [ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE=guile opengl 
 -artworkextra (-clutter) -test 0 kB

 I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
 but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
 me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.

 It is masked by profile. Look in
 /usr/portage/profile/base/package.use.mask you can see:

 # Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org (29 Jun 2010)
 # Mask clutter till introspection is unmasked
 =gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.3* clutter

Thank you.  The real reason for this is not to have more gnome-games
available but to try out gnome3.

allan

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

2011-06-01 Thread Allan Gottlieb 
On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Sebastian Beßler wrote:

 Am 01.06.2011 20:25, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:

 I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,

 The flag is not removed as in is not there anymore but it is masked
 because using it makes, at a high percentage, problems of some kind
 .
 You could unmask that flag if you want to, but then you are alone on
 high sea as it is absolutly unsupported.

Right.  This is the layman gnome3 overlay.  I am using an extra
laptop for this.

Thanks for the warning and information.
allan