Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-20 Thread pk
On 2011-11-15 07:21, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: The purpose of this email is to ask adventurous people here to beta test my approach to a udev-less Gentoo. If we don't find any showstopper problems, we can think about requesting Gentoo developers to support an mdev-based profile. It

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 07:52, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Nov 16, 2011 3:21 AM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:  The more scenarios we can test, the better.  mdev might shave a second  or two off the VM's bootup time, versus udev. Okay, I have two staging VMs on XenServer and

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 07:52, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Nov 16, 2011 3:21 AM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:  The more scenarios we can test, the better.  mdev might shave a second  or two off the VM's bootup time, versus udev. Okay, I have two staging VMs on XenServer and

Re: CRTs and EDID (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-16 Thread waltdnes
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 09:53:47AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote Just an FYI, EDID blocks have been part of CRT tech since the mid to late 90s; it's the basis of plug play monitors. IIRC, the EDID block is transported via DDC, which is essentially I2C implemented on top of your VGA cable. I've

Re: CRTs and EDID (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-16 Thread Michael Mol
On 11/16/2011 06:20 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 09:53:47AM -0500, Michael Mol wrote Just an FYI, EDID blocks have been part of CRT tech since the mid to late 90s; it's the basis of plug play monitors. IIRC, the EDID block is transported via DDC, which is

CRTs and EDID (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-15 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:21 AM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: Contrary to the FUD I've heard, X works just fine, thank you, without an xorg.conf.  Modern flatscreens with EDID info are set up automatically.  I suppose that old CRT monitors without EDID info might require xorg.conf, but that's

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:44:58 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:  Create the file if it doesn't already exist.  You now have a totally udev-free machine Sounds nice! However, my Gentoo systems are all virtual servers (DomU VMs on XenServer). So, the hardware devices are

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-15 Thread Albert W. Hopkins
On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 14:44 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: However, my Gentoo systems are all virtual servers (DomU VMs on XenServer). So, the hardware devices are static. Will switching over to mdev give any benefits? I even am toying around with the idea of having a completely static /dev,

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-15 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Nov 15, 2011 11:19 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:44:58 +0700 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Create the file if it doesn't already exist. You now have a totally udev-free machine Sounds nice! However, my Gentoo systems are

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-15 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Nov 15, 2011 11:43 PM, Albert W. Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 14:44 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: However, my Gentoo systems are all virtual servers (DomU VMs on XenServer). So, the hardware devices are static. Will switching over to mdev give any

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-15 Thread waltdnes
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 02:44:58PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote However, my Gentoo systems are all virtual servers (DomU VMs on XenServer). So, the hardware devices are static. Will switching over to mdev give any benefits? I even am toying around with the idea of having a completely static

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-15 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Nov 16, 2011 3:21 AM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 02:44:58PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote However, my Gentoo systems are all virtual servers (DomU VMs on XenServer). So, the hardware devices are static. Will switching over to mdev give any benefits? I even am

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-15 Thread Pandu Poluan
Plus, I'm feeling adventurous and will experiment with VirtualBox also ;) Rgds, On Nov 16, 2011 7:52 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Nov 16, 2011 3:21 AM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 02:44:58PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote However, my Gentoo systems

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-15 Thread yegle
I'm using systemd as init. Currently there's no .service file for mdev. Hope someone on this list can provide one :-) On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Plus, I'm feeling adventurous and will experiment with VirtualBox also ;) Rgds, On Nov 16, 2011 7:52

[gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-14 Thread waltdnes
After a recent thread, about udev developers wanting /usr on the same partition as / (or else requiring initramfs), it was pretty obvious that 90%+ of the users here strongly disliked the idea. I went around asking on various lists if it was possible to run Gentoo without udev. After some

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody want to beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev?

2011-11-14 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Nov 15, 2011 1:24 PM, waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: After a recent thread, about udev developers wanting /usr on the same partition as / (or else requiring initramfs), it was pretty obvious that 90%+ of the users here strongly disliked the idea. I went around asking on various lists if it