Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.  It was cheap so
> figured why not.  Ironically, it is also a router.  It's a Netgear
> Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550.   Anyway, I
> tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no luck.  I tried resetting
> it, holding the reset button for 7 seconds.  That didn't help either. 
> I've googled and tried all the IPs I can find that way too.  None of
> this is working.  The lights and all come up like it should.  It seems
> to be working fine, just can't access it to set it up. 
>
> Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?  I'm out of ideas here. 
> Anyone own one of these and can share their defaults?  Why don't they
> put the default IP on the bottom anyway??? 
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>

I got the new AT version of the modem today.  It practically worked
out of the box.  It has IPv6 info in several places, including the
ability to turn IPv6 off. 

A little tip.  If you buy a used modem with user/password info already
there, it does connect and look like it is internet active but it
isn't.  With old user/password it connects but it doesn't allow any
connections.  Sort of weird but once I put in my user/password info, it
worked like it should.  Didn't expect it to connect at all really. 

The router will be here Monday I think. 

Thanks to all who helped on this.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Mick]

On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 12:42:26 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 11:04:57 GMT Mick wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 10:24:48 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > I'm puzzled. Why should a DSL modem be tied to a particular ISP? The
> > > only
> > > thing I can think of is that one uses PPPoA and the other PPPoE. But the
> > > modem should sort that out for itself when it connects upstream.
> > 
> > ISPs looked into reducing their operating costs providing support to an
> > ever increasing population of technically clueless users and in
> > conjunction with router OEMs came up with a remote router provisioning
> > scheme.  This allows firmware updates and remote control of the CPE
> > without the customer even knowing what is happening.
> 
> I hadn't come across that before. I did wonder whether it was another
> example of control-freakery, but perhaps not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-069

In the UK I'm thinking of the 2Wire routers issued by BT to their business 
account users.  You could configure them for different ISPs, set them up in 
fully bridged mode, etc., but then you had to also poison the DNS addresses 
used for their provisioning servers to stop BT updating the firmware and 
crippling some of its functionality.

I can't recall the ritual you had to entertain when changing their settings 
from BT to another ISP, but it was not as simple as pressing the reset button.  
You had to navigate to some (hidden?) menu option and change settings from 
there.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 11:04:57 GMT Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 10:24:48 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > I'm puzzled. Why should a DSL modem be tied to a particular ISP? The only
> > thing I can think of is that one uses PPPoA and the other PPPoE. But the
> > modem should sort that out for itself when it connects upstream.
> 
> ISPs looked into reducing their operating costs providing support to an ever
> increasing population of technically clueless users and in conjunction with
> router OEMs came up with a remote router provisioning scheme.  This allows
> firmware updates and remote control of the CPE without the customer even
> knowing what is happening.

I hadn't come across that before. I did wonder whether it was another example 
of control-freakery, but perhaps not.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Mick]

On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 11:03:10 GMT Dale wrote:

> Either way, it doesn't work.  Once I get the one labeled AT, I'll be
> able to know for sure.  I'm 99.99% sure I have the right password.  The
> one I have coming will verify that as well.  If it works, right
> login/password which pretty much leads me to believe the Frontier won't
> work with AT

Have you checked these instructions to see if you can get it going with AT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=130=XISFrTZEJoI

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Mick]

On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 10:24:48 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:

> I'm puzzled. Why should a DSL modem be tied to a particular ISP? The only
> thing I can think of is that one uses PPPoA and the other PPPoE. But the
> modem should sort that out for itself when it connects upstream.

ISPs looked into reducing their operating costs providing support to an ever 
increasing population of technically clueless users and in conjunction with 
router OEMs came up with a remote router provisioning scheme.  This allows 
firmware updates and remote control of the CPE without the customer even 
knowing what is happening.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 01:25:32 GMT Dale wrote:
>
>> I found out the name and such from the previous user.  I couldn't see the
>> password tho.  Anyway, it seems this is locked to Frontier ISP.  I put in
>> the right user name/password and it wouldn't connect.  It tried but no joy. 
>>
>> Before I bought this, it was claimed that this should work with AT but
>> unless I got something wrong, it doesn't.  Shame really, pretty nice
>> modem.  The screens give pretty nicely laid out info about things too. 
> I'm puzzled. Why should a DSL modem be tied to a particular ISP? The only 
> thing I can think of is that one uses PPPoA and the other PPPoE. But the 
> modem 
> should sort that out for itself when it connects upstream.
>


I dunno for sure.  I just know that some are Frontier and some are
AT  I didn't notice the Frontier part, never heard of that ISP
before, so I bought that version.  Thing is, looking at the pics on
ebay, the info on the bottom is a little different.  For one, the AT
versions have the IP address on it.  The Frontier versions don't.  I'm
not sure but it seems the models are just a little different as well. 
That makes me think there is a hardware difference.  Maybe they use a
different frequency or something?? 

Either way, it doesn't work.  Once I get the one labeled AT, I'll be
able to know for sure.  I'm 99.99% sure I have the right password.  The
one I have coming will verify that as well.  If it works, right
login/password which pretty much leads me to believe the Frontier won't
work with AT

I'm hoping to get the router that was discussed in another thread
shortly.  Maybe then I'll be IPv6 ready.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Mick]

I just saw this long thread ... missed all the fun!

On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 01:25:32 GMT Dale wrote:
> Adam Carter wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:08 AM Dale  > 
> > > wrote:
> > Dale wrote:
> > > Grant Taylor wrote:
> > >> On 12/30/19 1:04 PM, Dale wrote:
> > >>> Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?
> > 
> > Its using 192.168.254.254. Since fireball is in 192.168.2.0/24
> > , its on a different subnet and therefore cant
> > arp it.
> > 
> > Try setting fireball to say 192.168.254.253/24
> >  then try pinging 192.168.254.254
> 
> I found the offending entry.  When you posted that, I was confused for a
> minute.  When I found the setting, it hit me.  My old modem is on
> 192.168.1.* and my router is on 192.168.2.*.  I commented those out so
> it could grab whatever IP it wanted.  It WORKED!!  I could access the
> modem.  

As was mentioned your PC has to be in the same subnet to be able to access the 
router.


> I found out the name and such from the previous user.  I
> couldn't see the password tho.  Anyway, it seems this is locked to
> Frontier ISP.  I put in the right user name/password and it wouldn't
> connect.  It tried but no joy. 

When you reset the firmware all settings are *supposed* to be wiped out.  
However, this is a router which is controlled by the ISP via a provisioning 
server.  Either certain settings have been hardcoded in the ISP released 
firmware, or more likely you have not reset it correctly/completely.  The 
power LED will blink red when you hold down the reset button during the boot 
stage of the router.  It's a good idea to hold the button pressed and keep it 
depressed for up to a minute, as you power cycle it.

More options here:

https://www.mobilereset99.com/reset-netgear-b90-755025-15-router/

NOTE: When you succeed in resetting the router, its subnet/IP will change and 
therefore you should check your PC's IP address matches the router's address 
space.


> Before I bought this, it was claimed that this should work with AT but
> unless I got something wrong, it doesn't.  Shame really, pretty nice
> modem.  The screens give pretty nicely laid out info about things too. 
> 
> Unless someone can figure out how to make this Frontier based modem work
> with AT, I guess this is a door stop. 

AT was issuing these routers to customers and was provisioning firmware 
updates via their control servers.  I don't know if they still do so.  
Contacting AT support may get you some info on their default username/passwd 
settings.  However, I would think if you reset the router successfully without 
it being connected to the Internet, you'll be able to login into it with 
username=admin and blank passwd.

If AT have decommissioned their provisioning servers they may be able to 
provide you with their latest firmware to flash it manually.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday, 31 December 2019 01:25:32 GMT Dale wrote:

> I found out the name and such from the previous user.  I couldn't see the
> password tho.  Anyway, it seems this is locked to Frontier ISP.  I put in
> the right user name/password and it wouldn't connect.  It tried but no joy. 
> 
> Before I bought this, it was claimed that this should work with AT but
> unless I got something wrong, it doesn't.  Shame really, pretty nice
> modem.  The screens give pretty nicely laid out info about things too. 

I'm puzzled. Why should a DSL modem be tied to a particular ISP? The only 
thing I can think of is that one uses PPPoA and the other PPPoE. But the modem 
should sort that out for itself when it connects upstream.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday, 30 December 2019 23:39:52 GMT Jack wrote:

> Bizarre new thought: have you tried putting the IPV6 address from
> ifconfig into the browser?

That's the address of eth1, not the modem-router. As the kernel has IPv6 
support built in, it automatically assigns an fe80 address to the initerface, 
constructed from the MAC address.

Dale could try 'ip neigh show'. It should give something like this:

192.168.1.2 dev eth0  FAILED
192.168.1.254 dev eth0 lladdr 60:03:47:2d:8e:ba REACHABLE
192.168.1.4 dev eth0 lladdr 1c:1b:0d:8b:da:17 REACHABLE
fe80::6203:47ff:fe2d:8eba dev eth0 lladdr 60:03:47:2d:8e:ba router STALE

That's from this box. The first address is my powerless server; the next is my 
modem-router and the third is my eth0. The last one is the automatically self-
assigned IPv6 address as I described above. (It consists of the MAC address 
with 'fffe' inserted in the middle and the 54th bit from the right set.)

I have IPv6 disabled in /etc/conf.d/net at the moment, or I'd have seen a 
couple more addresses from the ip command.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[james]

On 12/30/19 3:04 PM, Dale wrote:

Howdy,

I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.� It was cheap so
figured why not.� Ironically, it is also a router.� It's a Netgear
Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550. � Anyway, I
tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no luck.� I tried resetting
it, holding the reset button for 7 seconds.� That didn't help either.
I've googled and tried all the IPs I can find that way too.� None of
this is working.� The lights and all come up like it should.� It seems
to be working fine, just can't access it to set it up.

Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?� I'm out of ideas here.
Anyone own one of these and can share their defaults?� Why don't they
put the default IP on the bottom anyway???

Thanks.

Dale

:-)� :-)




Here's a fun way. ymmv.


Put the device on your network, between you computer and the outside 
world. Then hit this site for an auto_scan


https://ipleak.net/

Before, you can read this site:

https://blinkeye.github.io/post/public/2019-06-30-firewall-pia/

Mostly it yields lots of data, from the outside world looking in at your 
connection(s)


There are many search/sniff tools available, for the outside looking 
inward at your connection(s), if you look deeply.



hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Adam Carter wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:08 AM Dale  > wrote:
>
> Dale wrote:
> > Grant Taylor wrote:
> >> On 12/30/19 1:04 PM, Dale wrote:
> >>> Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?
>
>
> Its using 192.168.254.254. Since fireball is in 192.168.2.0/24
> , its on a different subnet and therefore cant
> arp it.
>
> Try setting fireball to say 192.168.254.253/24
>  then try pinging 192.168.254.254


I found the offending entry.  When you posted that, I was confused for a
minute.  When I found the setting, it hit me.  My old modem is on
192.168.1.* and my router is on 192.168.2.*.  I commented those out so
it could grab whatever IP it wanted.  It WORKED!!  I could access the
modem.  I found out the name and such from the previous user.  I
couldn't see the password tho.  Anyway, it seems this is locked to
Frontier ISP.  I put in the right user name/password and it wouldn't
connect.  It tried but no joy. 

Before I bought this, it was claimed that this should work with AT but
unless I got something wrong, it doesn't.  Shame really, pretty nice
modem.  The screens give pretty nicely laid out info about things too. 

Unless someone can figure out how to make this Frontier based modem work
with AT, I guess this is a door stop. 

Thanks to all who helped. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Adam Carter]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:08 AM Dale  wrote:

> Dale wrote:
> > Grant Taylor wrote:
> >> On 12/30/19 1:04 PM, Dale wrote:
> >>> Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?
>

Its using 192.168.254.254. Since fireball is in 192.168.2.0/24, its on a
different subnet and therefore cant arp it.

Try setting fireball to say 192.168.254.253/24 then try pinging
192.168.254.254

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 12/30/19 1:04 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?
>> Try running a network sniffer as you reboot it.
>>
>> Most pieces of network equipment will send out some sort of broadcast
>> requests that will give some hint as to how they are configured.  At
>> least what subnet they are in.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'm installing wireshark now.  I'm starting to suspect this thing is
> broke somehow.  It is used but it may have set up unused for a while
> before I bought it.  Once wireshark compiles, I'll try it.  I'll also
> try anything else others come up with as well. 
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>


Got wireshark installed.  Saved the results as a file.  Doesn't seem to
provide any info that is "sensitive" so attaching the file.  I think it
requires wireshark to open the file.  It is not text only and I didn't
see a way to do that either.  It's been ages since I used wireshark. 
It's changed, a LOT.  Still effective tho.

Thoughts?  It seems it can't negotiate a connection and just keeps
banging away at it. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Jack wrote:
> On 2019.12.30 18:21, Dale wrote:
>>
 To be honest, it doesn't seem to change from when I'm hooked to the
 older hardware. I dunno.
> I just noticed this.  If you are not completely resetting the PCs
> connection info when swapping between the two different routers, you
> will definitely have problems.  I might even resort to a 30:30:30
> reset of the router (I'd have to look up the details myself), be sure
> your PC knows it is disconnected from network, reconnect, and see if
> this info resets.  I'd consider not just doing an ip down ip up type
> reset, but using the open-rc or systemd incantation to restart the
> network service completely.  (The extreme version would be a reboot,
> but that sounds too MS.)

Well, I restart it this way.  /etc/init.d/net.eth1 restart  From my
understanding, that should reset it and make it renegotiate the
connection.  It could be that the puter is telling the modem to use the
same old address.  If it is, should work.  We know about that word
should tho.  What gets me, the data transfer.  That's what makes me
think the way you are.  I can't say you're wrong because it makes
sense.  I would think it would reset the data transfer numbers.


>> >>
>> >> Open to ideas if anyone has some. 
>> > Can you get to the internet?  If so, then a traceroute might show
>> > where the packets think they are going.  If not, then you may not have
>> > a proper connection between the router and PC.  Those mismatched
>> > network numbers could be the issue.  (I don't know if you are sending
>> > these messages using that connection, or sending from another device.)
>> >>
>> >> Dale
>> > Jack
>>
>> Right now, I'm on my old hardware.  When I hook up the new, to me,
>> hardware, I have to disconnect the old hardware.  If nothing else, I
>> was concerned both might have the same address, both being modems
>> basically, and would result in a conflict.  When I connect to the new
>> hardware, I can't get anywhere, yet.  The DSL signal is there since
>> the light is on but it can't connect since I can't access it to give
>> it the user/password info. 
> You can plug the new router (power) but NOT connect it to the DSL
> line.  That way, you can connect your computer to it to play with the
> IP address issues, and then just reconnect your PC to the old router
> (still connected to the outside world) to communicate.  Probably a bit
> less effort to switch back and forth that way.
>
> Bizarre new thought: have you tried putting the IPV6 address from
> ifconfig into the browser?

Since I have to unhook the phone line anyway, It's just moving one
ethernet cable.  The way I start out with a new modem, I hook the puter
straight to the modem, bypass the router.  One reason I do that, no
chance of conflict.  It's the wait for the DSL light and such that takes
a while. 


>>
>> I've never ran into this before.  Usually when I buy a modem or a
>> router, I can eventually find it without even googling for the IP. 
>> Generally the ones listed above will get me to the new device.  This
>> one, has me stumped.  Either it is broke somehow or it has one
>> strange ip address. 
> Being broke is certainly a possibility, but I'm thinking more that the
> router and PC just aren't getting in sync rather than a strange router
> setting.  Another reason to try a factory reset on the router, not
> just a power cycle.
>>
>> Thanks for the help.  Maybe I'll find gold at some point.  ;-)
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 

I'm hoping you are right.  It was cheap and the seller said he would
refund since he couldn't test it.  Still, I'd rather it work.  That's
why I bought it.  ;-)

Now let us hope.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 17:36:45 -0600, Dale wrote:

> > Isn't the IP address in the manual?
> >
> > Anyway, if you're using DHCP to set up your PC, run "route -n" and
> > look at the gateway for 0.0.0.0 - that should be the IP address of
> > your router.
> >
> >  
> 
> This is what I get when hooked to the new modem directly. 
> 
> 
> 
> root@fireball / # route -n
> Kernel IP routing table
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref    Use
> Iface
> 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG    2  0    0
> eth1 127.0.0.0   127.0.0.1   255.0.0.0   UG    0  0
>    0 lo 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  0
>   0 eth1 root@fireball / #
> 
> 
> If I read your reply correctly, 192.168.2.1 should be the address.  It
> didn't work.  Just for giggles, in case I was reading it wrong, I also
> tried 192.168.2.0 which also didn't work. 

No, 192.168.2.0 wouldn't work, but 192.168.2.1 should.

> So, modem broke or something else weird going on?  BTW, I did do a full
> reset.  I pressed and held the button for a good 20 seconds.  It says 7
> seconds, I wanted to be sure.  It should be using the defaults from the
> factory.  Key word, should. 

It could well be, but first I'd try Jack's suggestion and power both
modem and computer off, then restart the modem followed by the computer,
just to make sure no remnants of your old config are confusing things.

"Turn it off and on again" is probably one of Microsoft's greatest gifts
to the World ;-)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Yes, I've heard of "decaf." What's your point?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/30/19 1:04 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?
>
> Try running a network sniffer as you reboot it.
>
> Most pieces of network equipment will send out some sort of broadcast
> requests that will give some hint as to how they are configured.  At
> least what subnet they are in.
>
>
>


I'm installing wireshark now.  I'm starting to suspect this thing is
broke somehow.  It is used but it may have set up unused for a while
before I bought it.  Once wireshark compiles, I'll try it.  I'll also
try anything else others come up with as well. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Jack]

On 2019.12.30 18:21, Dale wrote:

Jack wrote:
> On 2019.12.30 17:43, Dale wrote:
>> Jack wrote:
>> > On 2019.12.30 15:04, Dale wrote:
>> >> Howdy,
>> >>
I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.  It was cheap so  
figured why not.  Ironically, it is also a router.  It's a  
Netgear Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550.  
  Anyway, I tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no  
luck.  I tried resetting it, holding the reset button for 7  
seconds.  That didn't help either.  I've googled and tried all  
the IPs I can find that way too.  None of this is working.  The  
lights and all come up like it should.  It seems to be working  
fine, just can't access it to set it up. 

>> >>
Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?  I'm out of ideas  
here.  Anyone own one of these and can share their defaults?  Why  
don't they put the default IP on the bottom anyway??? 

>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Dale
I think I probably had one of those years ago, before switching to  
cable.  If your PC uses DHCP, then you should be able to do "ip a"  
and find the subnet (perhaps 192.168.1)  You might then try 254 as  
the last octet.  Using traceroute might also show you the  
address.  If you want/need to dig out the big guns, wireshark  
should also provide some useful info.

>> >
>> > Jack
>> >
>>
I've never noticed the ip command before, not that I remember  
anyway.  I did try ipconfig before tho.  While I tried to use ip, I  
may not be using it correctly.  Actually, most likely I'm not.  The  
help page was little help either. 
At some point ifconfig disappeared for me, and I finally found ip as  
the closest for getting the same data.  (I now do have ifconfig  
back.)  I think those differences depend on specific versions of  
various network utilities.


Somehow I have both. 

>> This is the IPs I've tried so far:
>> http://192.168.0.1/
>> http://192.168.0.5
>> http://192.168.0.254/
>> http://192.168.0.255/
>> http://192.168.1.1/
>> http://192.168.1.5
>> http://192.168.1.254
>> http://192.168.1.255
>> http://192.168.2.1
>> http://192.168.2.5
>> http://192.168.2.254
>> http://192.168.2.255
>> http://192.168.254.254/
That last one matches something I just found on the Frontier site  
for that router.  Have you tried a hard reset to factory settings on  
the router?  Is there anything useful actually printed on the bottom  
of the router?  You might need a bright light and a magnifying glass  
:-)


Nope.  Usually, they stick the default IP and way back in the stone  
age of puters, a default password.  If worse comes to worse, reset  
and start fresh with known info.  This one has nothing about a IP  
address or anything like it.  It has some info for the wireless part  
but that's it.  It has a Mac address but I don't think that works in  
my browser. 


>> I think I tried 128 on the end at one point as well.
>>
Even tho I have dhcp set up and the ethernet light shows it is  
connected, I still restart eth1 just to be sure.  Then I run  
ifconfig and take the info from there to start trying addresses.  I  
figure the 3rd part might narrow it down a bit.   Then I try some  
others even if they don't make a lot of sense to try.  This is what  
ipconfig usually shows for eth1:

>>
>> root@fireball / # ifconfig
>> eth1: flags=4163  mtu 1500
>>     inet 192.168.2.5  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast  
192.168.0.255
Something smells fishy here.  Why are inet and broadcast not on the  
same network?  They should differ only in the last octet, given the  
netmask.  I'm also very surprised the router is at .5 and not either  
.1 or .254.
I noticed that too.  I don't recall ever seeing it set up that way  
and it makes me curious.  That said, I tried all the usual options  
with the first two parts for both addresses.  No joy.


>>     inet6 fe80::201:53ff:fe80:dc35  prefixlen 64  scopeid  
0x20

>>     ether 00:01:53:80:dc:35  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
>>     RX packets 43311747  bytes 60136286625 (56.0 GiB)
>>     RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
>>     TX packets 33539185  bytes 2574220465 (2.3 GiB)
>>     TX errors 2  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
>>
To be honest, it doesn't seem to change from when I'm hooked to the  
older hardware. I dunno.
I just noticed this.  If you are not completely resetting the PCs  
connection info when swapping between the two different routers, you  
will definitely have problems.  I might even resort to a 30:30:30 reset  
of the router (I'd have to look up the details myself), be sure your PC  
knows it is disconnected from network, reconnect, and see if this info  
resets.  I'd consider not just doing an ip down ip up type reset, but  
using the open-rc or systemd incantation to restart the network service  
completely.  (The extreme version would be a reboot, but that sounds  
too MS.)

>>
>> Open to ideas if anyone has some. 
> Can you get to the internet?  If so, then a traceroute might show
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:04:46 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>> I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.  It was cheap so
>> figured why not.  Ironically, it is also a router.  It's a Netgear
>> Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550.   Anyway, I
>> tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no luck.  I tried resetting
>> it, holding the reset button for 7 seconds.  That didn't help either. 
>> I've googled and tried all the IPs I can find that way too.  None of
>> this is working.  The lights and all come up like it should.  It seems
>> to be working fine, just can't access it to set it up. 
> Isn't the IP address n the manual?
>
> Anyway, if you're using DHCP to set up your PC, run "route -n" and look
> at the gateway for 0.0.0.0 - that should be the IP address of your router.
>
>

This is what I get when hooked to the new modem directly. 



root@fireball / # route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref    Use
Iface
0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG    2  0    0 eth1
127.0.0.0   127.0.0.1   255.0.0.0   UG    0  0    0 lo
192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  0    0 eth1
root@fireball / #


If I read your reply correctly, 192.168.2.1 should be the address.  It
didn't work.  Just for giggles, in case I was reading it wrong, I also
tried 192.168.2.0 which also didn't work. 

So, modem broke or something else weird going on?  BTW, I did do a full
reset.  I pressed and held the button for a good 20 seconds.  It says 7
seconds, I wanted to be sure.  It should be using the defaults from the
factory.  Key word, should. 

Ideas?

Dale

:-)  :-)

P. S.  Your sig was funny.  lol

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Grant Taylor]

On 12/30/19 1:04 PM, Dale wrote:

Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?


Try running a network sniffer as you reboot it.

Most pieces of network equipment will send out some sort of broadcast 
requests that will give some hint as to how they are configured.  At 
least what subnet they are in.




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unix || die





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unix || die

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Jack wrote:
> On 2019.12.30 17:43, Dale wrote:
>> Jack wrote:
>> > On 2019.12.30 15:04, Dale wrote:
>> >> Howdy,
>> >>
>> >> I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.  It was cheap so
>> >> figured why not.  Ironically, it is also a router.  It's a Netgear
>> >> Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550.   Anyway, I
>> >> tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no luck.  I tried
>> resetting
>> >> it, holding the reset button for 7 seconds.  That didn't help
>> either. 
>> >> I've googled and tried all the IPs I can find that way too.  None of
>> >> this is working.  The lights and all come up like it should.  It
>> seems
>> >> to be working fine, just can't access it to set it up. 
>> >>
>> >> Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?  I'm out of ideas
>> here. 
>> >> Anyone own one of these and can share their defaults?  Why don't they
>> >> put the default IP on the bottom anyway??? 
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Dale
>> > I think I probably had one of those years ago, before switching to
>> > cable.  If your PC uses DHCP, then you should be able to do "ip a" and
>> > find the subnet (perhaps 192.168.1)  You might then try 254 as the
>> > last octet.  Using traceroute might also show you the address.  If you
>> > want/need to dig out the big guns, wireshark should also provide some
>> > useful info.
>> >
>> > Jack
>> >
>>
>> I've never noticed the ip command before, not that I remember anyway.  I
>> did try ipconfig before tho.  While I tried to use ip, I may not be
>> using it correctly.  Actually, most likely I'm not.  The help page was
>> little help either. 
> At some point ifconfig disappeared for me, and I finally found ip as
> the closest for getting the same data.  (I now do have ifconfig
> back.)  I think those differences depend on specific versions of
> various network utilities.

Somehow I have both. 

>>
>> This is the IPs I've tried so far:
>>
>> http://192.168.0.1/
>> http://192.168.0.5
>> http://192.168.0.254/
>> http://192.168.0.255/
>> http://192.168.1.1/
>> http://192.168.1.5
>> http://192.168.1.254
>> http://192.168.1.255
>> http://192.168.2.1
>> http://192.168.2.5
>> http://192.168.2.254
>> http://192.168.2.255
>> http://192.168.254.254/
> That last one matches something I just found on the Frontier site for
> that router.  Have you tried a hard reset to factory settings on the
> router?  Is there anything useful actually printed on the bottom of
> the router?  You might need a bright light and a magnifying glass :-)

Nope.  Usually, they stick the default IP and way back in the stone age
of puters, a default password.  If worse comes to worse, reset and start
fresh with known info.  This one has nothing about a IP address or
anything like it.  It has some info for the wireless part but that's
it.  It has a Mac address but I don't think that works in my browser. 


>>
>> I think I tried 128 on the end at one point as well.
>>
>> Even tho I have dhcp set up and the ethernet light shows it is
>> connected, I still restart eth1 just to be sure.  Then I run ifconfig
>> and take the info from there to start trying addresses.  I figure the
>> 3rd part might narrow it down a bit.   Then I try some others even if
>> they don't make a lot of sense to try.  This is what ipconfig usually
>> shows for eth1:
>>
>>
>>
>> root@fireball / # ifconfig
>> eth1: flags=4163  mtu 1500
>>     inet 192.168.2.5  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.0.255
> Something smells fishy here.  Why are inet and broadcast not on the
> same network?  They should differ only in the last octet, given the
> netmask.  I'm also very surprised the router is at .5 and not either
> .1 or .254.

I noticed that too.  I don't recall ever seeing it set up that way and
it makes me curious.  That said, I tried all the usual options with the
first two parts for both addresses.  No joy.

>>     inet6 fe80::201:53ff:fe80:dc35  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20
>>     ether 00:01:53:80:dc:35  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
>>     RX packets 43311747  bytes 60136286625 (56.0 GiB)
>>     RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
>>     TX packets 33539185  bytes 2574220465 (2.3 GiB)
>>     TX errors 2  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
>>
>> To be honest, it doesn't seem to change from when I'm hooked to the
>> older hardware. I dunno.
>>
>> Open to ideas if anyone has some. 
> Can you get to the internet?  If so, then a traceroute might show
> where the packets think they are going.  If not, then you may not have
> a proper connection between the router and PC.  Those mismatched
> network numbers could be the issue.  (I don't know if you are sending
> these messages using that connection, or sending from another device.)
>>
>> Dale
> Jack
>


Right now, I'm on my old hardware.  When I hook up the new, to me,
hardware, I have to disconnect the old hardware.  If nothing else, I was
concerned both might have the same address, both being modems basically,
and would result 

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:04:46 -0600, Dale wrote:

> I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.  It was cheap so
> figured why not.  Ironically, it is also a router.  It's a Netgear
> Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550.   Anyway, I
> tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no luck.  I tried resetting
> it, holding the reset button for 7 seconds.  That didn't help either. 
> I've googled and tried all the IPs I can find that way too.  None of
> this is working.  The lights and all come up like it should.  It seems
> to be working fine, just can't access it to set it up. 

Isn't the IP address n the manual?

Anyway, if you're using DHCP to set up your PC, run "route -n" and look
at the gateway for 0.0.0.0 - that should be the IP address of your router.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Jack]

On 2019.12.30 17:43, Dale wrote:

Jack wrote:
> On 2019.12.30 15:04, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.  It was cheap so
>> figured why not.  Ironically, it is also a router.  It's a Netgear
>> Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550.    
Anyway, I
>> tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no luck.  I tried  
resetting
>> it, holding the reset button for 7 seconds.  That didn't help  
either. 
>> I've googled and tried all the IPs I can find that way too.  None  
of
>> this is working.  The lights and all come up like it should.  It  
seems

>> to be working fine, just can't access it to set it up. 
>>
>> Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?  I'm out of ideas  
here. 
>> Anyone own one of these and can share their defaults?  Why don't  
they

>> put the default IP on the bottom anyway??? 
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
> I think I probably had one of those years ago, before switching to
> cable.  If your PC uses DHCP, then you should be able to do "ip a"  
and

> find the subnet (perhaps 192.168.1)  You might then try 254 as the
> last octet.  Using traceroute might also show you the address.  If  
you
> want/need to dig out the big guns, wireshark should also provide  
some

> useful info.
>
> Jack
>

I've never noticed the ip command before, not that I remember  
anyway.  I

did try ipconfig before tho.  While I tried to use ip, I may not be
using it correctly.  Actually, most likely I'm not.  The help page was
little help either. 
At some point ifconfig disappeared for me, and I finally found ip as  
the closest for getting the same data.  (I now do have ifconfig back.)   
I think those differences depend on specific versions of various  
network utilities.


This is the IPs I've tried so far:

http://192.168.0.1/
http://192.168.0.5
http://192.168.0.254/
http://192.168.0.255/
http://192.168.1.1/
http://192.168.1.5
http://192.168.1.254
http://192.168.1.255
http://192.168.2.1
http://192.168.2.5
http://192.168.2.254
http://192.168.2.255
http://192.168.254.254/
That last one matches something I just found on the Frontier site for  
that router.  Have you tried a hard reset to factory settings on the  
router?  Is there anything useful actually printed on the bottom of the  
router?  You might need a bright light and a magnifying glass :-)


I think I tried 128 on the end at one point as well.

Even tho I have dhcp set up and the ethernet light shows it is
connected, I still restart eth1 just to be sure.  Then I run ifconfig
and take the info from there to start trying addresses.  I figure the
3rd part might narrow it down a bit.   Then I try some others even if
they don't make a lot of sense to try.  This is what ipconfig usually
shows for eth1:



root@fireball / # ifconfig
eth1: flags=4163  mtu 1500
    inet 192.168.2.5  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast  
192.168.0.255
Something smells fishy here.  Why are inet and broadcast not on the  
same network?  They should differ only in the last octet, given the  
netmask.  I'm also very surprised the router is at .5 and not either .1  
or .254.
    inet6 fe80::201:53ff:fe80:dc35  prefixlen 64  scopeid  
0x20

    ether 00:01:53:80:dc:35  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
    RX packets 43311747  bytes 60136286625 (56.0 GiB)
    RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
    TX packets 33539185  bytes 2574220465 (2.3 GiB)
    TX errors 2  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

To be honest, it doesn't seem to change from when I'm hooked to the  
older hardware. I dunno.


Open to ideas if anyone has some. 
Can you get to the internet?  If so, then a traceroute might show where  
the packets think they are going.  If not, then you may not have a  
proper connection between the router and PC.  Those mismatched network  
numbers could be the issue.  (I don't know if you are sending these  
messages using that connection, or sending from another device.)


Dale

Jack

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Jack wrote:
> On 2019.12.30 15:04, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.  It was cheap so
>> figured why not.  Ironically, it is also a router.  It's a Netgear
>> Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550.   Anyway, I
>> tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no luck.  I tried resetting
>> it, holding the reset button for 7 seconds.  That didn't help either. 
>> I've googled and tried all the IPs I can find that way too.  None of
>> this is working.  The lights and all come up like it should.  It seems
>> to be working fine, just can't access it to set it up. 
>>
>> Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?  I'm out of ideas here. 
>> Anyone own one of these and can share their defaults?  Why don't they
>> put the default IP on the bottom anyway??? 
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
> I think I probably had one of those years ago, before switching to
> cable.  If your PC uses DHCP, then you should be able to do "ip a" and
> find the subnet (perhaps 192.168.1)  You might then try 254 as the
> last octet.  Using traceroute might also show you the address.  If you
> want/need to dig out the big guns, wireshark should also provide some
> useful info.
>
> Jack
>

I've never noticed the ip command before, not that I remember anyway.  I
did try ipconfig before tho.  While I tried to use ip, I may not be
using it correctly.  Actually, most likely I'm not.  The help page was
little help either. 

This is the IPs I've tried so far:

http://192.168.0.1/
http://192.168.0.5
http://192.168.0.254/
http://192.168.0.255/
http://192.168.1.1/
http://192.168.1.5
http://192.168.1.254
http://192.168.1.255
http://192.168.2.1
http://192.168.2.5
http://192.168.2.254
http://192.168.2.255
http://192.168.254.254/

I think I tried 128 on the end at one point as well.

Even tho I have dhcp set up and the ethernet light shows it is
connected, I still restart eth1 just to be sure.  Then I run ifconfig
and take the info from there to start trying addresses.  I figure the
3rd part might narrow it down a bit.   Then I try some others even if
they don't make a lot of sense to try.  This is what ipconfig usually
shows for eth1:



root@fireball / # ifconfig
eth1: flags=4163  mtu 1500
    inet 192.168.2.5  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.0.255
    inet6 fe80::201:53ff:fe80:dc35  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20
    ether 00:01:53:80:dc:35  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
    RX packets 43311747  bytes 60136286625 (56.0 GiB)
    RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
    TX packets 33539185  bytes 2574220465 (2.3 GiB)
    TX errors 2  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0



To be honest, it doesn't seem to change from when I'm hooked to the
older hardware. I dunno.

Open to ideas if anyone has some. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Jack]

On 2019.12.30 15:04, Dale wrote:

Howdy,

I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.  It was cheap so
figured why not.  Ironically, it is also a router.  It's a Netgear
Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550.   Anyway, I
tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no luck.  I tried  
resetting

it, holding the reset button for 7 seconds.  That didn't help either. 
I've googled and tried all the IPs I can find that way too.  None of
this is working.  The lights and all come up like it should.  It seems
to be working fine, just can't access it to set it up. 

Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?  I'm out of ideas here. 
Anyone own one of these and can share their defaults?  Why don't they
put the default IP on the bottom anyway??? 

Thanks.

Dale
I think I probably had one of those years ago, before switching to  
cable.  If your PC uses DHCP, then you should be able to do "ip a" and  
find the subnet (perhaps 192.168.1)  You might then try 254 as the last  
octet.  Using traceroute might also show you the address.  If you  
want/need to dig out the big guns, wireshark should also provide some  
useful info.


Jack

[gentoo-user] Frontier ADSL modem and IP address

[Dale]

Howdy,

I ran up on a used DSL modem that supports IPv6.  It was cheap so
figured why not.  Ironically, it is also a router.  It's a Netgear
Frontier B90-755044-15 sometimes referred to as the 7550.   Anyway, I
tried all the usual IPs to access the thing, no luck.  I tried resetting
it, holding the reset button for 7 seconds.  That didn't help either. 
I've googled and tried all the IPs I can find that way too.  None of
this is working.  The lights and all come up like it should.  It seems
to be working fine, just can't access it to set it up. 

Is there a way to find the IP for this thing?  I'm out of ideas here. 
Anyone own one of these and can share their defaults?  Why don't they
put the default IP on the bottom anyway??? 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)