Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2010-01-18 Thread Alex Schuster
Hi there! It's done! I'm at ~x86 now. The upgrade went quite smooth - had to resolve some blockers, and mask the new x.org 1.7 because it does not work at all with ati-drivers. **BUT:** After rebooting, I ran into a very nasty KDE4 bug. All authentication dialogs did not work. So I had no KDE

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2010-01-15 Thread Alex Schuster
Some time ago, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 11 November 2009 17:21:26 Alex Schuster wrote: I wonder if it's worth the trouble. I read here that running a full ~x86 system would probably be easier. And I'd like to try, but while going from x86 to ~x86 is easy, the other way is quite

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2010-01-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 15 January 2010 15:04:12 Alex Schuster wrote: Some time ago, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 11 November 2009 17:21:26 Alex Schuster wrote: I wonder if it's worth the trouble. I read here that running a full ~x86 system would probably be easier. And I'd like to try, but while

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-18 Thread daid kahl
I wonder if it's worth the trouble. I read here that running a full ~x86 system would probably be easier. And I'd like to try, but while going from x86 to ~x86 is easy, the other way is quite hard, isn't it? If possible at all. I just wanted to throw my two-cents in here, although much has

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-14 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 13 November 2009 01:21:49 Joshua Murphy wrote: Useless? well, not exactly. ~amd64 marked packages in it are redundant, but every box I put wine on runs git builds (=app-emulation/wine- in the portage

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 18:36:23 Albert Hopkins wrote: So my advice is: pick and branch and stick with your own kind. It's far fewer headaches in the long run. And unstable isn't really unstable, it's untested. There's a difference. Actually it's not untested, it's still being

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 19:51:26 Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP yes, it is easier to just go ~x86. Yes, it is very very very hard to go back - easier to reinstall Isn't there a lot more work to do to keep it

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 12 November 2009 00:12:06 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Roy Wright schrieb: Also keep in mind that it's the ebuild that is untested. The package is usually what upstream has released as stable. I haven't yet looked at it that way, good point. My advice is if you are willing

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 12 November 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote: 5. I can warn others using more stable OSes about deep changes coming down the tubes (X for instance. RHEL users are in for a big surprise sometime in the next 6 months to 5 years...) friends using stable ask me if they hit a problem.

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Marcus Wanner
On 11/12/2009 5:05 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 12 November 2009 00:12:06 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Roy Wright schrieb: Also keep in mind that it's the ebuild that is untested. The package is usually what upstream has released as stable. I haven't yet looked at it

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Alex Schuster
Thanks for your replies, guys! They have been helpful. I think I know what to do now. And that is... wait. Until I have some time to spare for this. Then, after a backup, I will perform the migration. Now let's see that this openrc and baselayout-2 is that I have read people talking about for

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Alex Schuster
KH writes: Alex Schuster schrieb: [snip] Or net-misc/youtube-dl, which changes quite frequently to adopt to youtube changes, and I want to always have the newest version. [snip] see bgo 286366 and report you are fine with it. Maybe it will become stable, then.

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Marcus Wanner schrieb: On 11/12/2009 5:05 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 12 November 2009 00:12:06 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am now looking at some # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 emerge -avuDN world Good god, please don't ever do that. If you don't know why it's a terrible idea, then

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb: Neil Bothwick schrieb: I'd emerge @system first, then reboot and make sure everything works correctly before updating the rest of @world. Good point, yes ... hmm, it was half way through @world ... now I do @system and will see what happens. Thanks for the

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 13 November 2009 00:36:11 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Marcus Wanner schrieb: On 11/12/2009 5:05 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 12 November 2009 00:12:06 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am now looking at some # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 emerge -avuDN world Good god, please

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Joshua Murphy
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb: Neil Bothwick schrieb: I'd emerge @system first, then reboot and make sure everything works correctly before updating the rest of @world. Good point, yes ... hmm, it was half way

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 13 November 2009 00:46:00 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb: Neil Bothwick schrieb: I'd emerge @system first, then reboot and make sure everything works correctly before updating the rest of @world. Good point, yes ... hmm, it was half way through @world

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Alan McKinnon schrieb: # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 emerge -avuDN world Good god, please don't ever do that. I ran that command to just get an impression of what changing $ACCEPT_KEYWORDS would do in that case emerge -p is better than emerge -a just in case you hit enter by mistake then

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 13 November 2009 01:21:49 Joshua Murphy wrote: Useless? well, not exactly. ~amd64 marked packages in it are redundant, but every box I put wine on runs git builds (=app-emulation/wine- in the portage tree), and as such has to have a =app-emulation/wine- ** line in

[gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Alex Schuster
Hi there! I am not running ~x86 at the moment. I like to stay on the safer side, and it has not been too much trouble. Yet. There are things in have in package.keywords, quite a lot actually. Most packages are not a problem. Examples are games-fps/quake3, games- fps/worldofpadman or

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 17:21:26 Alex Schuster wrote: Hi there! I wonder if it's worth the trouble. I read here that running a full ~x86 system would probably be easier. And I'd like to try, but while going from x86 to ~x86 is easy, the other way is quite hard, isn't it? If possible at

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 06:04:44PM +0200, Penguin Lover Alan McKinnon squawked: On Wednesday 11 November 2009 17:21:26 Alex Schuster wrote: Hi there! I wonder if it's worth the trouble. I read here that running a full ~x86 system would probably be easier. And I'd like to try, but while

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Albert Hopkins
Here's my take on this issue, and I've had this discussion with some people on IRC as well and for the most part I think people will disagree with me. But they are wrong ;-) I'm actually against mixing testing and stable branches. Here's why. People choose stable because they are under the

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP yes, it is easier to just go ~x86. Yes, it is very very very hard to go back - easier to reinstall Isn't there a lot more work to do to keep it up to date? Seems to me testing packages are going to change more

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Roy Wright
On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Albert Hopkins wrote: So my advice is: pick and branch and stick with your own kind. It's far fewer headaches in the long run. And unstable isn't really unstable, it's untested. There's a difference. Also keep in mind that it's the ebuild that is

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 11 November 2009, Mark Knecht wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP yes, it is easier to just go ~x86. Yes, it is very very very hard to go back - easier to reinstall Isn't there a lot more work to do to keep it up to

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Roy Wright schrieb: Also keep in mind that it's the ebuild that is untested. The package is usually what upstream has released as stable. I haven't yet looked at it that way, good point. My advice is if you are willing to upgrade at least weekly then go untested, if you are willing to

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread KH
Alex Schuster schrieb: Hi there! [snip]Or net-misc/youtube-dl, which changes quite frequently to adopt to youtube changes, and I want to always have the newest version. [snip] Hi, see bgo 286366 and report you are fine with it. Maybe it will become stable, then.

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread KH
Albert Hopkins schrieb: [snip] But they are wrong ;-) I'm actually against mixing testing and stable branches. Here's why. People choose stable because they are under the impression that it's somehow safer or less troublesome than testing (or what some people call unstable). I'm not so sure I

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
whatever you decide to do. Please turn on the buildpkg option in make.conf. It is a GOOD THING on stable, but even more so on unstable. Will save you a lot of blood sweat and tears.

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb: I am now looking at some # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 emerge -avuDN world This gives me 464 packages (441 upgrades, 15 new, 6 in new slots, 2 reinstalls, 4 uninstalls) ... phew ... maybe tomorrow ... ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Marcus Wanner
On 11/11/2009 5:47 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Stefan G. Weichinger schrieb: I am now looking at some # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 emerge -avuDN world This gives me 464 packages (441 upgrades, 15 new, 6 in new slots, 2 reinstalls, 4 uninstalls) ... phew ... maybe tomorrow ... ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:47:00 +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: I am now looking at some # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 emerge -avuDN world This gives me 464 packages (441 upgrades, 15 new, 6 in new slots, 2 reinstalls, 4 uninstalls) ... phew ... maybe tomorrow ... I'd emerge @system

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Marcus Wanner schrieb: How 'bout overnight :p That's what I'm doing, after reading that bit about the ebuilds and not the packages being unstable :D Sure, me too :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Going ~x86?

2009-11-11 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Neil Bothwick schrieb: I'd emerge @system first, then reboot and make sure everything works correctly before updating the rest of @world. Good point, yes ... hmm, it was half way through @world ... now I do @system and will see what happens. Thanks for the hint, I should have thought of that.