Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-07-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:30:41 +0100, Mick wrote: So you trust make to compile and link hundreds of object files and create the kernels and modules. You also trust it to copy all the modules, but you just want to copy that one last file manually so you can pretend you are in control? ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-07-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:13:07 -0500, Dale wrote: The key thing is, after I change the grub.conf file, I don't have to run anything else. It just works. Grub2 does tho. That reminds me of how lilo does it. You're wrong there. All grub2-mkconfig does is update the config file, it's nothing

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-07-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:30:10 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: You can also make/maintain the grub.cfg yourself with grub2, just like in old grub. In fact this is what I do... I don't use the grub2-mkconfig each time, I only used it once to generate a file and then edited it by hand after that. It

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-07-01 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:30:41 +0100, Mick wrote: So you trust make to compile and link hundreds of object files and create the kernels and modules. You also trust it to copy all the modules, but you just want to copy that one last file manually so you can pretend you are

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-07-01 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30.06.2012 22:24, Dale wrote: SNIP A, I can name it kernel. That makes more sense to me. Me votes for kernel-x.y.z. Heck, this may work for me. I still don't like the deal of having to run something after changing the kernel tho. It

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Dale
Mike Gilbert wrote: Thanks for announcing this Dale. grub-2.00 is in ~arch as of last night. Given your current naming scheme, grub2-mkconfig will not detect your kernels. They must be named vmlinuz-version or kernel-version. For example: /boot/vmlinuz-3.4.3 /boot/kernel-2.6.39-gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Michael Mol
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mike Gilbert wrote: Thanks for announcing this Dale. grub-2.00 is in ~arch as of last night. Given your current naming scheme, grub2-mkconfig will not detect your kernels. They must be named vmlinuz-version or kernel-version.

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 06/30/2012 05:50 AM, Dale wrote: Thanks. Now more questions. I have read about this a few times but never quite figured it out. I copy the bzImage and name it bzImage-* because that is what it is named when I type make etc to build a kernel. Is there a difference between bzImage and

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:50:27 -0500, Dale wrote: Thanks. Now more questions. I have read about this a few times but never quite figured it out. I copy the bzImage and name it bzImage-* because that is what it is named when I type make etc to build a kernel. Is there a difference between

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 04:50:27 -0500, Dale wrote: Thanks. Now more questions. I have read about this a few times but never quite figured it out. I copy the bzImage and name it bzImage-* because that is what it is named when I type make etc to build a kernel. Is there a

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mike Gilbert wrote: Thanks for announcing this Dale. grub-2.00 is in ~arch as of last night. Given your current naming scheme, grub2-mkconfig will not detect your kernels. They must be named vmlinuz-version

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 06/30/2012 05:50 AM, Dale wrote: Thanks. Now more questions. I have read about this a few times but never quite figured it out. I copy the bzImage and name it bzImage-* because that is what it is named when I type make etc to build a kernel. Is there a difference between bzImage and

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK, you should be fine renaming bzImage to vmlinuz. (Note the z. It's vmlinuz, not vmlinux) Well that fixed one thing already. lol I bet I would have named that wrong. ;-) vmlinuz. Weird. They did that to confuse me

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Alex Schuster
Dale writes: Neil Bothwick wrote: Seriously though, why not use make install? That way you know the right files get copied and given the expected names. Because I name my kernel and config the same thing. I also don't like the way it does that link thingy it does. It seems to expect

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Dale
G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 06/30/2012 05:50 AM, Dale wrote: Thanks. Now more questions. I have read about this a few times but never quite figured it out. I copy the bzImage and name it bzImage-* because that is what it is named when I type make etc to build a kernel. Is there a

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:07:30 -0500, Dale wrote: Seriously though, why not use make install? That way you know the right files get copied and given the expected names. Because I name my kernel and config the same thing. make install also copies your config to /boot, with a matching name.

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:24:17 -0500, Dale wrote: I still don't like the deal of having to run something after changing the kernel tho. It seems to lilo-ish to me. Then how do you manage with GRUB legacy? If you don't have symlinks to the kernels and you don't update the config, how do you

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:10:11 -0500, Dale wrote: vmlinuz. Weird. They did that to confuse me didn't they. :/ Just to confuse things, I used to run a PPC machine, and the kernel was called vmlinux on that :-O -- Neil Bothwick Ultimate memory manager; Windows, it manages to use it all..

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Mick
On Saturday 30 Jun 2012 23:01:40 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:07:30 -0500, Dale wrote: It seems to expect to keep only two kernels around and I'm real bad to have more than that, sometimes way more than that. No it doesn't, it only installs kernels, not uninstalls them.

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Saturday 30 Jun 2012 23:01:40 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:07:30 -0500, Dale wrote: It seems to expect to keep only two kernels around and I'm real bad to have more than that, sometimes way more than that. No it doesn't, it only installs kernels, not uninstalls

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:24:17 -0500, Dale wrote: I still don't like the deal of having to run something after changing the kernel tho. It seems to lilo-ish to me. Then how do you manage with GRUB legacy? If you don't have symlinks to the kernels and you don't update the

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Alecks Gates
On Jun 30, 2012 7:13 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:24:17 -0500, Dale wrote: I still don't like the deal of having to run something after changing the kernel tho. It seems to lilo-ish to me. Then how do you manage with GRUB legacy? If

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-30 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 06/30/2012 05:50 AM, Dale wrote: Thanks. Now more questions. I have read about this a few times but never quite figured it out. I copy the bzImage and name it bzImage-* because that is what it is

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-29 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2012-06-25 1:05 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, It appears that grub2 is coming soon. Has the Handbook/Install docs been updated

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-29 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 06/29/12 10:57, Mike Gilbert wrote: No, handbook only discusses grub (not grub2) and lilo. Which is sad; I'd love to use stuff like grub2 and {ext,sys}linux. It'd be sweet to make things more easily convertible to netboot or cdrom-boot scenarios. We will add some instructions to the

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-29 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, It appears that grub2 is coming soon.  Thread on -dev said a couple months or so till it hits the tree, keyworded and/or masked I'm sure.  I guess it is about time to jump off the cliff and give this a try.  I installed

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-28 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that grub2 is coming soon. grub 2.00 has been released! https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-28 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that grub2 is coming soon. grub 2.00 has been released! https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ I wasn't expecting it to be that soon. I guess it will hit the tree pretty soon then. Well, we all

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that grub2 is coming soon. grub 2.00 has been released! https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ I wasn't expecting it to be that

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-28 Thread Bill Kenworthy
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 20:36 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: It appears that grub2 is coming soon. grub 2.00 has been released!

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-26 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-06-25 1:05 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, It appears that grub2 is coming soon. Has the Handbook/Install docs been updated to provide for installing Grub2 with a fresh install? I'm about to do one, and would like to not have to switch this out later...

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Mol
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2012-06-25 1:05 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, It appears that grub2 is coming soon. Has the Handbook/Install docs been updated to provide for installing Grub2 with a fresh install? I'm about to

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-26 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: Howdy, SNIP Thanks in advance. Dale :-) :-) Well, I got lots of info now. May just wait a bit but I do like the idea of being able to boot a CD image from grub2 tho. Then again, I don't have enough room on /boot right now anyway. Thanks to all for the info. Maybe

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-25 Thread Canek Peláez Valdés
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, Hi Dale. It appears that grub2 is coming soon.  Thread on -dev said a couple months or so till it hits the tree, keyworded and/or masked I'm sure.  I guess it is about time to jump off the cliff and give this a try.  I

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-25 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:05:25 -0500, Dale wrote: It appears that grub2 is coming soon. Thread on -dev said a couple months or so till it hits the tree, keyworded and/or masked I'm sure. I guess it is about time to jump off the cliff and give this a try. If GRUB legacy is working for you, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-25 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: And being honest, I hope that something else replaces GRUB2; I like the notion of a /firstboot minimal Linux as boot loader, or something similar. If the boot loader has to do OS-related work (graphics/input drivers

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-25 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Jun 25, 2012 10:55 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: And being honest, I hope that something else replaces GRUB2; I like the notion of a /firstboot minimal Linux as boot loader, or

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-25 Thread Keith Dart
Re 4FE7F195.4090708@gmail.com4fe7f195.4090...@gmail.com, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Either wait for its documentation and tools to mature (i.e., when they finally hit the 2.0 version), or wait for something else to handle the future of Linux boot loader. Meanwhile, if you don't use UEFI, you

[gentoo-user] Grub2 and is the upgrade a tooth puller.

2012-06-24 Thread Dale
Howdy, It appears that grub2 is coming soon. Thread on -dev said a couple months or so till it hits the tree, keyworded and/or masked I'm sure. I guess it is about time to jump off the cliff and give this a try. I installed Kubuntu on a system for my brother and it uses grub2. I have had to