Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Mick]

On Monday 11 Apr 2016 22:34:04 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 11/04/2016 20:15, Mick wrote:
> > On Monday 11 Apr 2016 13:17:05 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 11, 2016 11:34:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
>  I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
>  have
>  to deal with it.
> >>> 
> >>> I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to
> >>> stick with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in
> >>> Plasma
> >>> 5, so I hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as
> >>> in
> >>> the earlier case of KDE 3 -> 4.
> >>> 
> >>> Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I
> >>> might be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to
> >>> the available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space
> >>> everywhere, and great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually
> >>> buttons without looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about
> >>> it at all.
> >>> 
> >>> If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.
> >> 
> >> You could try the following:
> >> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/ocd-plasma5-theme?content=175772
> >> 
> >> I am not fully convinced, but then again, I quite like "Breeze Dark" with
> >> "Air" so far. But still looking for a really nice one. (My design skills
> >> are non-existent)
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Joost
> > 
> > It's all a bit flat and boring, at least for a desktop.  However, I
> > wouldn't be surprised if the target audience is MSWindows users with
> > Surface tablets. What other reason would KDE devs have to imitate the
> > aesthetic shift from Windows 7 to Windows 10?
> 
> Or maybe it's just fashion, like garments and shoes.

Yes!  I noticed that soon after KDE4 started having a blue shade on its window 
borders, so did e17.  Perhaps coding and innovation in creative design don't 
go hand in hand.  :p

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Alan McKinnon]

On 11/04/2016 20:15, Mick wrote:
> On Monday 11 Apr 2016 13:17:05 J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On Monday, April 11, 2016 11:34:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>> On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
 I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
 have
 to deal with it.
>>>
>>> I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to
>>> stick with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in
>>> Plasma
>>> 5, so I hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in
>>> the earlier case of KDE 3 -> 4.
>>>
>>> Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I
>>> might be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to
>>> the available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space
>>> everywhere, and great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually
>>> buttons without looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about
>>> it at all.
>>>
>>> If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.
>>
>> You could try the following:
>> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/ocd-plasma5-theme?content=175772
>>
>> I am not fully convinced, but then again, I quite like "Breeze Dark" with
>> "Air" so far. But still looking for a really nice one. (My design skills are
>> non-existent)
>>
>> --
>> Joost
> 
> It's all a bit flat and boring, at least for a desktop.  However, I wouldn't 
> be surprised if the target audience is MSWindows users with Surface tablets.  
> What other reason would KDE devs have to imitate the aesthetic shift from 
> Windows 7 to Windows 10? 
> 


Or maybe it's just fashion, like garments and shoes.

-- 
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alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Mick]

On Monday 11 Apr 2016 13:17:05 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2016 11:34:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
> > > I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
> > > have
> > > to deal with it.
> > 
> > I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to
> > stick with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in
> > Plasma
> > 5, so I hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in
> > the earlier case of KDE 3 -> 4.
> > 
> > Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I
> > might be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to
> > the available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space
> > everywhere, and great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually
> > buttons without looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about
> > it at all.
> > 
> > If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.
> 
> You could try the following:
> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/ocd-plasma5-theme?content=175772
> 
> I am not fully convinced, but then again, I quite like "Breeze Dark" with
> "Air" so far. But still looking for a really nice one. (My design skills are
> non-existent)
> 
> --
> Joost

It's all a bit flat and boring, at least for a desktop.  However, I wouldn't 
be surprised if the target audience is MSWindows users with Surface tablets.  
What other reason would KDE devs have to imitate the aesthetic shift from 
Windows 7 to Windows 10? 

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[J. Roeleveld]

On Monday, April 11, 2016 11:34:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
> > I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have
> > to deal with it.
> 
> I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to
> stick with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in Plasma
> 5, so I hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in
> the earlier case of KDE 3 -> 4.
> 
> Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I might
> be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to the
> available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space everywhere, and
> great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually buttons without
> looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about it at all.
> 
> If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.

You could try the following:
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/ocd-plasma5-theme?content=175772

I am not fully convinced, but then again, I quite like "Breeze Dark" with 
"Air" so far. But still looking for a really nice one. (My design skills are 
non-existent)

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
> I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have
> to deal with it.

I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to stick 
with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in Plasma 5, so I 
hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in the earlier 
case of KDE 3 -> 4.

Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I might 
be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to the 
available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space everywhere, and 
great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually buttons without 
looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about it at all.

If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[J. Roeleveld]

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 08:09:28 AM Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 09 Apr 2016 23:08:13 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:41:01 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > > > I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones
> > > > you want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need,
> > > > and you can always tweak any you want different anyway.
> > > 
> > > Reading eselect news I thought that the KDE profile and kde USE flag is
> > > due to be withdrawn with Plasma 5 going stable, did I get this wrong?
> > 
> > Sorry, I meant the plasma profile.
> 
> I just noticed, one box is set at:
> 
> [11]  default/linux/amd64/13.0/no-multilib *
> 
> Is this a reinstall exercise?

Usually yes, but there is a work-around:

Create a temporary chroot with a non-no-multilib installation.
Use that to create binary packages. 
Then change the profile of the main installation to a non-no-multilib profile
Using the packages created in the chroot, do an "emerge -e @world"

That worked for me. (Found this in a blogposting somewhere)

--
Joost

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Mick]

On Saturday 09 Apr 2016 23:08:13 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:41:01 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > > I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones
> > > you want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need,
> > > and you can always tweak any you want different anyway.
> > 
> > Reading eselect news I thought that the KDE profile and kde USE flag is
> > due to be withdrawn with Plasma 5 going stable, did I get this wrong?
> 
> Sorry, I meant the plasma profile.

I just noticed, one box is set at:

[11]  default/linux/amd64/13.0/no-multilib *

Is this a reinstall exercise?

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:41:01 +0100, Mick wrote:

> > I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones
> > you want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need,
> > and you can always tweak any you want different anyway.  
> 
> Reading eselect news I thought that the KDE profile and kde USE flag is
> due to be withdrawn with Plasma 5 going stable, did I get this wrong?

Sorry, I meant the plasma profile.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

If at first you don't suceed, try the switch marked "Power"


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Andrés Becerra Sandoval]

2016-04-09 11:16 GMT-05:00 Marc Joliet :

> On Saturday 09 April 2016 10:35:44 Andrés Becerra Sandoval wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >kdepim applications have been not ported to Plasma 5 yet. You will not
> have
>
> >problem with those.
>
> [...]
>
>
>
> I happened to notice that the KDE overlay has versions for Plasma 5 (
> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/kde.git/tree/kde-apps/kdepim). From what
> I've been told from a friend using openSUSE I wouldn't want to switch to it
> just yet, though.
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> --
>
> Marc Joliet
>
> --
>
> "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
>
> don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
>
>
>


​Yes Marc, some libraries are ready, but not the applications.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Mick]

On Saturday 09 Apr 2016 21:03:09 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 11:12:51 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > I noticed to day that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
> > have to deal with it.  I run a number of boxen with Gentoo on them.
> > Some of them do not run a full KDE desktop, only selected KDE apps,
> > some KDE meta packages including kdepim-meta.
> > 
> > For these boxen I have set:
> > 
> > [3]   default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop *
> > 
> > and USE=kde, -gnome in make.conf.  What would you recommend I do if I
> > still do not wish to install or run the full KDE desktop environment?
> > Are there any gotchas?
> 
> I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones you
> want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need, and you
> can always tweak any you want different anyway.

Reading eselect news I thought that the KDE profile and kde USE flag is due to 
be withdrawn with Plasma 5 going stable, did I get this wrong?
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 11:12:51 +0100, Mick wrote:

> I noticed to day that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
> have to deal with it.  I run a number of boxen with Gentoo on them.
> Some of them do not run a full KDE desktop, only selected KDE apps,
> some KDE meta packages including kdepim-meta.
> 
> For these boxen I have set:
> 
> [3]   default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop *
> 
> and USE=kde, -gnome in make.conf.  What would you recommend I do if I
> still do not wish to install or run the full KDE desktop environment?
> Are there any gotchas?

I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones you
want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need, and you
can always tweak any you want different anyway.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

WinErr 00D: Window closed - Do not look outside


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Marc Joliet]

On Saturday 09 April 2016 10:35:44 Andrés Becerra Sandoval wrote:
[...]
>kdepim applications have been not ported to Plasma 5 yet. You will not have
>problem with those.
[...]

I happened to notice that the KDE overlay has versions for Plasma 5
(https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/kde.git/tree/kde-apps/kdepim).  From what I've
been told from a friend using openSUSE I wouldn't want to switch to it just yet,
though.

HTH
--
Marc Joliet
--
"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup



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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Andrés Becerra Sandoval]

2016-04-09 5:12 GMT-05:00 Mick :

> I noticed to day that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have
> to
> deal with it.  I run a number of boxen with Gentoo on them.  Some of them
> do
> not run a full KDE desktop, only selected KDE apps, some KDE meta packages
> including kdepim-meta.
>
> For these boxen I have set:
>
>

> [3]   default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop *
>
> and USE=kde, -gnome in make.conf.  What would you recommend I do if I
> still do
> not wish to install or run the full KDE desktop environment?  Are there any
> gotchas?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mick


​Hello Mick,

kdepim applications have been not ported to Plasma 5 yet. You will not have
problem with those.

Some applications migrated are:  ark, dolphin, gwenview, kate, konsole,
kwrite, telepathy, konversation, marble and most of games and educational
applications.
​


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[gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable

[Mick]

I noticed to day that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have to 
deal with it.  I run a number of boxen with Gentoo on them.  Some of them do 
not run a full KDE desktop, only selected KDE apps, some KDE meta packages 
including kdepim-meta.

For these boxen I have set:

[3]   default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop *

and USE=kde, -gnome in make.conf.  What would you recommend I do if I still do 
not wish to install or run the full KDE desktop environment?  Are there any 
gotchas?

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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