Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without ARTS
This is exactly what I am wanting to do. But I see that it will end up notallowing me to use system notifications. I found this link on the bug report.But I am not at all sure how to apply it. Thanks very much!The genkdesvn ebuilds use a patch that allows notifications and sounds through external player even when kdelibs is compiled with --without-arts. Some of us(atleast one person other than me) have been using the patch since 2 months and have experienced no problems. Mario(the author of the ebuilds) even modified the patch to allow simultaneous sounds(the new kernels support this). Here is a link to the patch. http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/genkdesvn/trunk/kde-base/kdelibs/files/kdelibs-7-knotify-noarts.patch?op=filerev=0sc=0 ~IanOn 1/21/06, Peter Volkov (pva) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Сбт, 2006-01-21 at 14:55 -0500, James Colby wrote: I have been looking through the list archives and haven't found an answer to my question.I have compiled KDE 3.5 with alsa -arts in my make.conf.Now is it possible to hear System Notifications, by using an external audio player.I have set up an external audio player in Kcontrol, but I still can not hear System Notifications. Because this does not work.http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99246Peter.-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBD0pb2z6tlgEWSarMRAm5wAJ9uh28gJ7KJpyhV+qZcDX1F+wSnTgCePqU71zo25WaYWu9bL19BBUCefzs==9nZX-END PGP SIGNATURE--- Cheers,Ian
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without ARTS
Thanks for the link. I just gave in and re-enable arts for KDE. Sound is working now. On 1/22/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is exactly what I am wanting to do. But I see that it will end up not allowing me to use system notifications. I found this link on the bug report. But I am not at all sure how to apply it. Thanks very much! The genkdesvn ebuilds use a patch that allows notifications and sounds through external player even when kdelibs is compiled with --without-arts. Some of us(atleast one person other than me) have been using the patch since 2 months and have experienced no problems. Mario(the author of the ebuilds) even modified the patch to allow simultaneous sounds(the new kernels support this). Here is a link to the patch. http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/genkdesvn/trunk/kde-base/kdelibs/files/kdelibs-7-knotify-noarts.patch?op=filerev=0sc=0 ~Ian -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without ARTS
Good to hear its working.But can someone tell me how to apply the patch?Thanks!~IanOn 1/22/06, James Colby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thanks for the link.I just gave in and re-enable arts for KDE. Sound is working now.On 1/22/06, Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is exactly what I am wanting to do. But I see that it will end up not allowing me to use system notifications. I found this link on the bug report. But I am not at all sure how to apply it. Thanks very much! The genkdesvn ebuilds use a patch that allows notifications and sounds through external player even when kdelibs is compiled with --without-arts. Some of us(atleast one person other than me) have been using the patch since 2 months and have experienced no problems. Mario(the author of the ebuilds) even modified the patch to allow simultaneous sounds(the new kernels support this). Here is a link to the patch. http://svn.berlios.de/wsvn/genkdesvn/trunk/kde-base/kdelibs/files/kdelibs-7-knotify-noarts.patch?op=filerev=0sc=0 ~Ian--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- Cheers,Ian
[gentoo-user] KDE without ARTS
List Members - I have been looking through the list archives and haven't found an answer to my question. I have compiled KDE 3.5 with alsa -arts in my make.conf. Now is it possible to hear System Notifications, by using an external audio player. I have set up an external audio player in Kcontrol, but I still can not hear System Notifications. Thanks, James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without ARTS
On Сбт, 2006-01-21 at 14:55 -0500, James Colby wrote: I have been looking through the list archives and haven't found an answer to my question. I have compiled KDE 3.5 with alsa -arts in my make.conf. Now is it possible to hear System Notifications, by using an external audio player. I have set up an external audio player in Kcontrol, but I still can not hear System Notifications. Because this does not work. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99246 Peter. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without aRts?
Hello. On Вск, 2006-01-01 at 01:57 +0530, Abhay Kedia wrote: What all problems should I expect by putting a -arts in /etc/make.conf? I tried searching on Google and Gentoo Forums but could not find anything conclusive. AFAIK there is a problem. kde compiled without arts does not have sound events. You may search bugs.kde.org for related bugs. This was tested by me on kde-3.4.2 and was broken. Bug is still opened... But seems that in next version of kde arts will be deprecated. So my suggestion is to leave arts in USE flags for kde only and disable it for other applications. Then in kcontrol you may wish to disable arts too, and use external player option. Thus artsd remains in your system but it'll be never used. Peter. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without aRts?
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 19:46, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: Then in kcontrol you may wish to disable arts too, and use external player option. Thus artsd remains in your system but it'll be never used. That is exactly what I am doing :) I have disabled aRts and using alsaplayer to play the sounds. If everything goes fine for sometime then I will try to put a -arts in make.conf and see how it goes. Regards, Abhay pgp7THsnjWmGC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without aRts?
On Sunday 01 January 2006 04:48, Dimitar Toshev wrote: Skype does not require artsd, it uses OSS. This unfortunately means that you have to stop all software, that is currently accessing the audio device in order to use it (ALSA cannot do sw mixing, because it is done in userspace and the drivers, including the oss emulation layer, run in kernel space). Thanks for that info. I have stopped aRts from running by disabling the sound system from control center since last night. The strange part is that Skype is working better without aRts. The only thing I have to make sure is that I don't have any sound playing in background. Now, I'll see whether I face any problems with aRts disabled. If it works for 2-3 days without hitch then I am dumping aRts for good. btw my other question is still unanswered. Why do we need a sound server at all and if we need one then how does JACK fair compared to aRts? Thanks to everyone who replied Regards, Abhay pgpiwSLJDJZRk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without aRts?
Hello, Am Samstag, 31. Dezember 2005 21:27 schrieb Abhay Kedia: Also, I like to use JuK as my audio player and use Skype extensively. Will disabling arts trouble me? Is it a must to run a sound server? Here I would like to mention that I am using an Skype requires artsd in order to work properly. I think I read it somewhere in the installation requirements of Skype. Prior to Skype I didn't have artsd enabled in KDE and there were no troubles. Regards, Ming-Che Lee -- Registered Linux User #241507 at http://counter.li.org GPG KEYID: 0x5EBF1692 Fingerprint: DB76 8D6F 9B7D B123 0FE2 0F18 389C A8BD 5EBF 1692 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without aRts?
I don't run arts and things seem to work but as someone else pointed out skype needs artsd. I have -arts in my make.conf. As for all those packages the -D makes it also do dependencies. On Saturday 31 December 2005 15:27, Abhay Kedia wrote: Hi, I am currently running a KDE 3.5 system with arts in /etc/make.conf but now experiencing serious problems with it. In my quest to remove arts I tried to do a USE=-arts emerge -upDNv world and found that emerge wants to recompile 134 packages!!! I am a bit sceptical in letting emerge take such a big step so I wanted to take advice from people with first hand experiences on running KDE without arts (if any). What all problems should I expect by putting a -arts in /etc/make.conf? I tried searching on Google and Gentoo Forums but could not find anything conclusive. Also, I like to use JuK as my audio player and use Skype extensively. Will disabling arts trouble me? Is it a must to run a sound server? Here I would like to mention that I am using an on-board sound card (Intel HDA) which does not have hardware mixing but iirc ALSA's dmix has taken over the software mixing stuff now. So do I need a sound server AT ALL? If yes then will running JACK suffice? I have been reading a lot about JACK lately but don't know how it is faring on single user desktop systems. I will be highly thankful for any insights. TIA Regards, Abhay -- Brett I. Holcomb -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without aRts?
On Saturday 31 December 2005 22:49, Ming-Che Lee wrote: Hello, Am Samstag, 31. Dezember 2005 21:27 schrieb Abhay Kedia: Also, I like to use JuK as my audio player and use Skype extensively. Will disabling arts trouble me? Is it a must to run a sound server? Here I would like to mention that I am using an Skype requires artsd in order to work properly. I think I read it somewhere in the installation requirements of Skype. Prior to Skype I didn't have artsd enabled in KDE and there were no troubles. Regards, Ming-Che Lee -- Registered Linux User #241507 at http://counter.li.org GPG KEYID: 0x5EBF1692 Fingerprint: DB76 8D6F 9B7D B123 0FE2 0F18 389C A8BD 5EBF 1692 Skype does not require artsd, it uses OSS. This unfortunately means that you have to stop all software, that is currently accessing the audio device in order to use it (ALSA cannot do sw mixing, because it is done in userspace and the drivers, including the oss emulation layer, run in kernel space). This is why gentoo's ebuild for skype includes a wrapper script that checks for the presence of artsd or esd and uses artsdsp or esddsp to start skype, so that software mixing is not lost (if neither is present skype is started normally). I tried using alsa's wrapper (aoss), but I did not have any success. So if you dislike artsd, you can use esd, but I could not get skype to work with it, meaning that it started normally, but after calling somebody, I could not hear them and they could not hear me. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE without aRts?
Hi, Am Sonntag, 1. Januar 2006 00:18 schrieb Dimitar Toshev: On Saturday 31 December 2005 22:49, Ming-Che Lee wrote: Am Samstag, 31. Dezember 2005 21:27 schrieb Abhay Kedia: Also, I like to use JuK as my audio player and use Skype extensively. Will disabling arts trouble me? Is it a must to run a sound server? Here I would like to mention that I am using an Skype requires artsd in order to work properly. I think I read it somewhere in the installation requirements of Skype. Prior to Skype I didn't have artsd enabled in KDE and there were no troubles. . . This is why gentoo's ebuild for skype includes a wrapper script that checks for the presence of artsd or esd and uses artsdsp or esddsp to start skype, so that software mixing is not lost (if neither is present skype is started normally). I tried using Yes, you are right. Now I can remember where I read about artsd (or other wrapper) for skype - it was the text after emerging skype and not on the skype website. Thanks for the background info! Regards, Ming-Che Lee -- GPG KEYID: 0x5EBF1692 Fingerprint: DB76 8D6F 9B7D B123 0FE2 0F18 389C A8BD 5EBF 1692 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
