Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-15 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Friday 15 February 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 February 2008, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: That aside, how would gaps *between* files ever translate into fragmentation unless the author of that particular piece of

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-15 Thread Dale
Uwe Thiem wrote: Back in the days when I still used DOS, one certainly wanted to defragment periodically. The system became significantly more performant for a while. On Linux/Unix, I never bothered. Uwe Yea, I remember those days too. Put the disk and get it started then wait

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 15 February 2008, Dale wrote: Uwe Thiem wrote: Back in the days when I still used DOS, one certainly wanted to defragment periodically. The system became significantly more performant for a while. On Linux/Unix, I never bothered. Uwe Yea, I remember those days too. Put the

[gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Dale
Hi, I'm not wanting to start a flame or anything but I have a question, or two, on file fragmentation. I have three hard drives here. This is how they are partitioned at the moment: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # df Filesystem 1K-blocksUsed Available

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 05:06:43AM -0600, Dale wrote: My questions; is this badly fragmented? How can I unfragment all the files and not bork something up badly? My opinion on this tho, considering this install is about 4 years old, not to bad. I've seen worse on a windoze rig

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Dale
Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 05:06:43AM -0600, Dale wrote: My questions; is this badly fragmented? How can I unfragment all the files and not bork something up badly? My opinion on this tho, considering this install is about 4 years old, not to bad. I've

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Thomas Kahle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, my 2 cents: | So if for example I copied everything over to a different hard drive and | then copied everything back, it would be defragmented then? I think so yes, but still I would not do it as I think you will hardly notice the difference,

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008, Dale wrote: The biggest slow down by the way is when logging into KDE the first time. It takes a long while and that drive is just a getting it. The light just stays on while loading everything up. do you use prelink? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Dale
Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, my 2 cents: | So if for example I copied everything over to a different hard drive and | then copied everything back, it would be defragmented then? I think so yes, but still I would not do it as I think you will hardly notice the difference, but there is a good chance

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:01:16 -0600 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 05:06:43AM -0600, Dale wrote: My questions; is this badly fragmented? How can I unfragment all the files and not bork something up badly? My opinion on

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008, Dale wrote: The biggest slow down by the way is when logging into KDE the first time. It takes a long while and that drive is just a getting it. The light just stays on while loading everything up. do you use prelink?

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, my 2 cents: | So if for example I copied everything over to a different hard | drive and then copied everything back, it would be defragmented | then? I think so yes, but still I would not do it as I think you will hardly notice the

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Willie Wong
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 07:53:57AM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: I did a little test. Something fishy here. I did a test with the /data partition. I store pictures and documents there and it was fragmented. I cp -av to another reiserfs formatted partition then remade the file

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Thomas Kahle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, just one more idea that came to my mind, reiserfs uses a technique to save small files in the filesystem tree which uses less disk space then. In ext3 a 1 byte file will take up 4k, while this is not the case in reiserfs. This yields a

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Dale wrote: I did a little test. Something fishy here. I did a test with the /data partition. I store pictures and documents there and it was fragmented. I cp -av to another reiserfs formatted partition then remade the file system and copied it back using

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Dale
Uwe Thiem wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Dale wrote: I did a little test. Something fishy here. I did a test with the /data partition. I store pictures and documents there and it was fragmented. I cp -av to another reiserfs formatted partition then remade the file system and copied

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Dale
Daniel Iliev wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:01:16 -0600 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 05:06:43AM -0600, Dale wrote: My questions; is this badly fragmented? How can I unfragment all the files and not bork something

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Dale wrote: Uwe Thiem wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Dale wrote: I did a little test. Something fishy here. I did a test with the /data partition. I store pictures and documents there and it was fragmented. I cp -av to another reiserfs formatted

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Dale wrote: Now I remember why I stopped using prelink: The only maintenance required is re-running prelink every time a library is upgraded for a pre-linked executable. I only prelink after major updates. Never had any problems in between. I knew there was a

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Dale wrote: I did a little test.  Something fishy here.  I did a test with the /data partition.  I store pictures and documents there and it was fragmented. I cp -av to another reiserfs formatted partition then remade the file system and copied it back using

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008, Dale wrote: Now I remember why I stopped using prelink: The only maintenance required is re-running prelink every time a library is upgraded for a pre-linked executable. I knew there was a reason I stopped. I never could remember to run it after I

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: Yes, everything will be defragmented. In addition, it will leave gaps between files. So if a file lateron grows it will not immediately fragment. Which will cause a stupid script to report fragmentation if the author does not understand file

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008, Dale wrote: Now I remember why I stopped using prelink: The only maintenance required is re-running prelink every time a library is upgraded for a pre-linked executable. I knew there was a reason I stopped. I never could

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: Yes, everything will be defragmented. In addition, it will leave gaps between files. So if a file lateron grows it will not immediately fragment. Which will cause a stupid script to report fragmentation if the author

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: Yes, everything will be defragmented. In addition, it will leave gaps between files. So if a file lateron grows it will not immediately fragment. Which will cause a stupid script to report

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Dale wrote: I also attached a copy of the program I used. I think I got it off the forums. Maybe some guru can improve it a little. ;-) Not me. Perl has been invented to generate reports from log files or such. It is not a general purpose language, though

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Dale wrote: I also attached a copy of the program I used. I think I got it off the forums. Maybe some guru can improve it a little. ;-) Not me. Perl has been invented to generate reports from log files or

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: That aside, how would gaps *between* files ever translate into fragmentation unless the author of that particular piece of software managed to kill his very last brain cell? Oops. I had a brain fart there. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: That aside, how would gaps *between* files ever translate into fragmentation unless the author of that particular piece of software managed to kill his very last brain cell? Oops. I had a brain fart there. You

Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation

2008-02-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 15 February 2008, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: That aside, how would gaps *between* files ever translate into fragmentation unless the author of that particular piece of software managed to kill his very last brain cell?