Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Flash+nspluginwrapper versus Gnash comparisons?

2013-11-02 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 10/31/2013 10:15 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
   I'm getting rather annoyed with Firefox.  I don't want to get into
 that flamewar right now.  I'm trying to migrate to UZBL.  The latest git
 version is a lot better than the stale stable version.  The uzbl-
 ebuild is broken (yes, I've filed a bug), so I pull directly from git
 and build and install to ~/.local.  It's a steep learning curve, and
 I've gradually resolved almost every issue.  The last reason to have
 Firefox or Opera hanging around is Flash.  I subscribe to NHL GameCenter
 Live and Live365.com, so Flash functionality is mandatory for me.
 
   The git version of UZBL requires a recent version of webkit, which
 requires gtk3.  Flash is a gtk2 program, so it doesn't work.  I've heard
 that the 2 options are...
 1) Running Flash in nspluginwrapper
 2) Using Gnash to replace Flash
 
   How are people's experiences with the 2 options above?
 

Have you checked to see if the sites you use have an interface for
mplayer or another media player? (Assuming they are streaming services
similar to Youtube) If not, it may be simpler to use nspluginwrapper.
Gnash compatibility can be spotty, but is improving. If you suspect that
the services that you use don't use advanced/recent Flash features, give
gnash a whirl.

The last time I used gnash, it was completely fine for basic streaming
stuff, but marketing sites and tech demos and (some) Newgrounds material
was borked. But that was over 3 years ago; times have certainly changed,
and I'd wager for the better. :)

Good luck.



Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Flash+nspluginwrapper versus Gnash comparisons?

2013-11-02 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 05:43:21AM -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote

 Have you checked to see if the sites you use have an interface for
 mplayer or another media player? (Assuming they are streaming services
 similar to Youtube) If not, it may be simpler to use nspluginwrapper.
 Gnash compatibility can be spotty, but is improving. If you suspect
 that the services that you use don't use advanced/recent Flash
 features, give gnash a whirl.

  They're streaming services like Youtube, and they're both completely
Flash-dependant.

 The last time I used gnash, it was completely fine for basic streaming
 stuff, but marketing sites and tech demos and (some) Newgrounds material
 was borked. But that was over 3 years ago; times have certainly changed,
 and I'd wager for the better. :)

  The decision has been made for me, or let's say I made it back in May
when I installed pure-64-bit.  I attempted emerge -pv nspluginwrapper,
and found that nspluginwrapper requires multi-lib support on amd64
installs... oops.  So gnash it is.  After my abortive nsplugin emerge, I
did some research.  It seems that gnash doesn't do sound by itself.  It
requires the gstreamer flag for audio functionality.  That flag pulls
in gstreamer and friends.  I run with custom flags in make.conf.  Any
comments on my choice of flags?  Do I need additional ebuilds loaded as
well?  Is it supposed to pull in 2 versions of media-libs/gstreamer?

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-- 
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications



[gentoo-user] OT: Flash+nspluginwrapper versus Gnash comparisons?

2013-10-31 Thread Walter Dnes
  I'm getting rather annoyed with Firefox.  I don't want to get into
that flamewar right now.  I'm trying to migrate to UZBL.  The latest git
version is a lot better than the stale stable version.  The uzbl-
ebuild is broken (yes, I've filed a bug), so I pull directly from git
and build and install to ~/.local.  It's a steep learning curve, and
I've gradually resolved almost every issue.  The last reason to have
Firefox or Opera hanging around is Flash.  I subscribe to NHL GameCenter
Live and Live365.com, so Flash functionality is mandatory for me.

  The git version of UZBL requires a recent version of webkit, which
requires gtk3.  Flash is a gtk2 program, so it doesn't work.  I've heard
that the 2 options are...
1) Running Flash in nspluginwrapper
2) Using Gnash to replace Flash

  How are people's experiences with the 2 options above?

-- 
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications