Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On 2/6/20 8:56 PM, John Covici wrote: I do run my own mail server for years, but I would like to know how to run those "hygene features". I do have spf, but that is about it -- maybe this should be another thread, but I want to keep doing this and be sure of having my mail delivered to where its going which sometimes gmail gives me problems. I don't know if the gentoo-user mailing list is the is the best location to have this discussion. If you think it is, start a new thread and I'll reply with more information about what I'm doing. Or, feel free to email me directly and I'll share the information off-list. -- Grant . . . unix || die
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:00:09 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: > > On 2/6/20 3:36 PM, Laurence Perkins wrote: > > Sure you can set up just a simple email server > > Having run a personal email server for 20 years, including all > contemporary hygiene measures, I don't think "simple" and "email > server" go together any more. > > I can rattle off most of what I'm doing in short order. But when > doing so takes 5+ minutes, I think we're beyond the realm of > "simple". I do run my own mail server for years, but I would like to know how to run those "hygene features". I do have spf, but that is about it -- maybe this should be another thread, but I want to keep doing this and be sure of having my mail delivered to where its going which sometimes gmail gives me problems. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On 2/6/20 3:36 PM, Laurence Perkins wrote: Sure you can set up just a simple email server Having run a personal email server for 20 years, including all contemporary hygiene measures, I don't think "simple" and "email server" go together any more. I can rattle off most of what I'm doing in short order. But when doing so takes 5+ minutes, I think we're beyond the realm of "simple". -- Grant . . . unix || die
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On 2020.02.06 17:36, Laurence Perkins wrote: On Sat, 2020-02-01 at 17:08 -0500, Jack wrote: CAUTION: This is an EXTERNAL email. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. I didn't write that. :-) > > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent from "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge system to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as I don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:". To set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a link in the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find for a long time, but, ... > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, but namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not interested in running my own email server. I currently only need two mailboxes, maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or so recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over spam filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket with them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" and apparently no intent to ever do so. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jack Laurence, Thanks for the feedback. You might talk to your ISP. A number of them offer custom email hosting to businesses and will maintain the server for you, but allow you a rather customized configuration. So kind of like having your own server along with someone to manage it for you. Well, I'm in Connecticut, and my current ISP is Comcast, previous ISP Frontier, and I wish to have as little as possible to do with either of them. A major part of the whole reason I'm doing this is to be able to switch ISPs without having to do anything at all and still have my email flow. If you do end up running your own system, look through your options thoroughly. Sure you can set up just a simple email server, but there are also projects like http://citadel.org/doku.php that offer more, integrated features for an experience similar to gmail, but without the spying. That certainly looks interesting, but claiming it's at all like gmail is not a selling point for me. Jack
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On Sat, 2020-02-01 at 17:08 -0500, Jack wrote: > CAUTION: This is an EXTERNAL email. Do not click links or open > attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent > from > "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. > Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge > system > to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that > address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as > I > don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it > through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in > my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:". To > set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a > link > in the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find > for a long time, but, ... > > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists > like > this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the > message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox > because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. > > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough > namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar > setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of > them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. > > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider > that > understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, > but > namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record > point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not > interested > in running my own email server. I currently only need two mailboxes, > maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not > commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or > so > recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some > consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use > IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download > everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over spam > filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter > locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from > some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket > with > them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" and > apparently no intent to ever do so. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jack You might talk to your ISP. A number of them offer custom email hosting to businesses and will maintain the server for you, but allow you a rather customized configuration. So kind of like having your own server along with someone to manage it for you. If you do end up running your own system, look through your options thoroughly. Sure you can set up just a simple email server, but there are also projects like http://citadel.org/doku.php that offer more, integrated features for an experience similar to gmail, but without the spying. LMP
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
Mick - thanks for the responses. [just replying to a few specific points] On 2020.02.02 06:27, Mick wrote: On Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:08:37 GMT Jack wrote: [snip.] Thanks for the general info on the "alias" issue.One minor problem I've had is that many email providers say the allow email aliases, but they are only talking about different addresses either at their same domain or maybe at one of several other domains they own. Those will not allow an alias from a domain that they do not control. On the DMARC issue - for a while sourceforge had their DMARC records set up so that a message "From: " their domain would be rejected if not actually sent from their domain. They finally backed down, when they realized this would cause problems for everyone using one of their forwarding addresses. I don't remember exactly where that discussion happened, but I think it was on one of the kde.org mailing lists. [snip] I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. I think you can use Filters and Labels[2] in Gmail to tag and then move whatever you receive/send into a folder you define. Two issues here. First, as I download all my mail by POP3 and maintain it locally, using gmails filters and tags doesn't help me any. Second, and perhaps I misstated this, is that a message I sent to the list starts out in my sentbox. Since I sent it, Google knows I already have a local copy. When the copy of the message arrives from the list, even if it shows up in my Google inbox, I can't download in by POP3, since they think I already have a copy. In fact, there is no way in Google to mark a message as "New" or "Not downloaded yet" once you have downloaded it. In the cases where I accidentally delete something locally, the only way I have found to get another copy is using IMAP. You could try using the terms "email alias address" and "Send As" with them to see if this allows your conversation to progress further. Thanks. That's useful. Many ISPs are a marketing shop buying the email service backend from one of the big email suppliers, e.g. Google, AWS, etc. Such marketing shops without commensurate technical capabilities are only a step away from having spammers associated with their service and therefore keep features down to a minimum to avoid being blacklisted due to potential misconfigurations. Understood, and that's why I'm trying to find one of those backend providers I can deal with directly. Jack
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On Sat, 01 Feb 2020 17:08:37 -0500 Jack wrote: > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent > from "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional > address. Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the > sourceforge system to a personal address I specify. When I send a > message "From: " that address, however, I cannot send it through the > sourceforge system, as I don't actually have an email account with > them. Currently, I send it through my gmail account. That works > because I added that address in my gmail Settings under "Accounts and > Import" / "Send mail as:". To set it up, gmail sends a message to > that address, and I click on a link in the message to prove it does > come to me. That's been working find for a long time, but, ... > > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists > like this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I > get the message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my > inbox because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. > > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough > namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar > setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking > of them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. > > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider > that understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own > domain, but namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate > DNS record point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm > not interested in running my own email server. I currently only need > two mailboxes, maybe a small number more in the future, but this is > personal, not commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up > to a dozen or so recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost > is at least some consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as > although I use IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use > POP3 to download everything. I'd also like at least minimal control > over spam filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to > filter locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for > everything from some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to > open a ticket with them to add a whitelist. No such thing as > clicking on "Not spam" and apparently no intent to ever do so. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jack Why not just build your own? You can get a very small EC2 instance for pretty cheap. Then pick your poison exim/postfix/dovcot/roundcube or whatever.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On 01/02/20 22:08, Jack wrote: > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent from > "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. > Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge system > to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that > address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as I > don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it > through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in my > gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:". To set > it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a link in > the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find for a > long time, but, ... > > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like > this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the > message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox > because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. You'll notice I'm posting from a personal domain ... It's actually owned by my brother, but that's by the by. He uses this company ... http://www.hosts.co.uk/ which appears to be an old blog (I guess the company got taken over or changed its name) but the website does say they are now https://www.names.co.uk/ so try there instead. You'll have to investigate exactly what the setup is yourself, but I believe he gets a dashboard and can set up about 25 pop/imap accounts on his domain for not much money - looks like about £5 per month. Each account can also have multiple aliases - he's given me one imap/pop account with two aliases. I then use their smtp host for sending. Or if your ISP offers email addresses, you should be able to send via them - I know my ISP assumes that since I'm logged in to their network I must be legit ... :-) Not knowing where you're based, but like I've got .org.uk, you might be able to get .org.us or whatever - see what's free. £60 - $80 or so - per year isn't a bad price for a personal domain that all the family can use ... :-) Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On 2/1/20 5:08 PM, Jack wrote: Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent from "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge system to a personal address I specify.� When I send a message "From: " that address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as I don't actually have an email account with them.� Currently, I send it through my gmail account.� That works because I added that address in my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" /� "Send mail as:".� To set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a link in the message to prove it does come to me.� That's been working find for a long time, but, ... I'm trying to move away from gmail.� Especially for mailing lists like this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar setup.� I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that understands this and will let me set it up.� I have my own domain, but namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record point to a different email provider.� At this point, I'm not interested in running my own email server.� I currently only need two mailboxes, maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not commercial.� I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or so recipients.� I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some consideration.� I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download everything.� I'd also like at least minimal control over spam filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter locally.� If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket with them to add a whitelist.� No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" and apparently no intent to ever do so. Thanks for any suggestions. Jack Hello Jack et al., WE all feel your pain, as the deceptions and folks with nefarious intentions, has just exploded. My suggestion is that WE all discuss and figure out a gentoo centric solution, that is installed, managed and enhanced by options, all on a Gentoo centric framework. I'm almost ready to get static IPs and roll my own via sendmail (really that desperate, are we James?). Today, I ran across an interesting system that might just work, only it needs to be 'gentoo centric' imho. 'Heimdall, an open-source personal email guardian' https://medium.com/@fabianterh/how-i-built-heimdall-an-open-source-personal-email-guardian-68e306d172d1 So, my suggestion is that we have folks interested 'chime in' with issues, ideas and practical suggestions, so we, the Gentoo community solve this, once and for all. I'm all in. Cause yesterday, I received false email from some jerk posing as 'Credit Karma'; really, they did a pretty good job, except Credit Karma doe snot send out unsolicited emails to non-customers, or at least that's what they say over the phone. Beware:: multiple...@support.creditkarmaseralert.com So shall WE solve, test, debug, rinse-repeat, a solution, as brothers-in-need, or keep fighting this crap individually ? curiously, James
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
Just to add the headers fail the DMARC checks, as I noticed in Jack's message: ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gentoo-user+bounces-189351- michaelkintzios=gmail@lists.gentoo.org designates 208.92.234.80 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="gentoo-user+bounces-189351- michaelkintzios=gmail@lists.gentoo.org"; dmarc=fail (p=QUARANTINE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=sourceforge.net but still forwarded following Jack's manual verification. On Sunday, 2 February 2020 11:27:35 GMT Mick wrote: > On Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:08:37 GMT Jack wrote: > > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > > > > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent from > > "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. > > Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge system > > to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that > > address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as I > > don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it > > through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in > > my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:". > > This message sending mechanism is using an email address "alias". It used > to be a simple exercise of setting up as many different aliases you wanted > and then being able to send messages with a From: field, as whoever you > wanted to show up being the sender of the message in your recipients Inbox. > The forwarded message retains in its headers the original SMTP envelope > sender and recipient addresses, but if you used Bcc: to direct it to a > recipient the message headers could be less revealing of the path used to > send the message. depending on the particular mail server implementation. > > It is easy to guess spammers soon cottoned onto the fact they could send > their adverts for products most of us do not need and immediately used this > method to spam the world from "Mr. Viagra" and what have you. > > For this reason email ISPs introduced a number of 'email address > verification' hoops you have to jump through, to be allowed to use a > different email alias through their SMTP servers. > > > To > > set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a link > > in the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find > > for a long time, but, ... > > This is an alias address verification method. You have to show you have > control of that domain/email address, rather than being a spammer exploiting > this method. > > Despite all this spammers are still getting through. So, alternative > technologies have been invented (SPF, DKIM, DMARC)[1] to make sure the > sender is legitimate, identifiable and is only allowed to use their own > domains. > > [1] https://dmarc.org/ > > > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like > > this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the > > message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox > > because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. > > I think you can use Filters and Labels[2] in Gmail to tag and then move > whatever you receive/send into a folder you define. > > [2] https://support.google.com/mail/answer/118708 > > > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough > > namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar > > setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of > > them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. > > You could try using the terms "email alias address" and "Send As" with them > to see if this allows your conversation to progress further. > > Many ISPs are a marketing shop buying the email service backend from one of > the big email suppliers, e.g. Google, AWS, etc. Such marketing shops > without commensurate technical capabilities are only a step away from > having spammers associated with their service and therefore keep features > down to a minimum to avoid being blacklisted due to potential > misconfigurations. > > > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that > > understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, but > > namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record > > point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not interested > > in running my own email server. I currently only need two mailboxes, > > maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not > > commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or so > > recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some > > consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use > > IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download > > everything. I'd also like at least minimal control
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
On Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:08:37 GMT Jack wrote: > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent from > "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. > Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge system > to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that > address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as I > don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it > through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in > my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:". This message sending mechanism is using an email address "alias". It used to be a simple exercise of setting up as many different aliases you wanted and then being able to send messages with a From: field, as whoever you wanted to show up being the sender of the message in your recipients Inbox. The forwarded message retains in its headers the original SMTP envelope sender and recipient addresses, but if you used Bcc: to direct it to a recipient the message headers could be less revealing of the path used to send the message. depending on the particular mail server implementation. It is easy to guess spammers soon cottoned onto the fact they could send their adverts for products most of us do not need and immediately used this method to spam the world from "Mr. Viagra" and what have you. For this reason email ISPs introduced a number of 'email address verification' hoops you have to jump through, to be allowed to use a different email alias through their SMTP servers. > To > set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a link > in the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find > for a long time, but, ... This is an alias address verification method. You have to show you have control of that domain/email address, rather than being a spammer exploiting this method. Despite all this spammers are still getting through. So, alternative technologies have been invented (SPF, DKIM, DMARC)[1] to make sure the sender is legitimate, identifiable and is only allowed to use their own domains. [1] https://dmarc.org/ > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like > this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the > message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox > because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. I think you can use Filters and Labels[2] in Gmail to tag and then move whatever you receive/send into a folder you define. [2] https://support.google.com/mail/answer/118708 > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough > namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar > setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of > them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. You could try using the terms "email alias address" and "Send As" with them to see if this allows your conversation to progress further. Many ISPs are a marketing shop buying the email service backend from one of the big email suppliers, e.g. Google, AWS, etc. Such marketing shops without commensurate technical capabilities are only a step away from having spammers associated with their service and therefore keep features down to a minimum to avoid being blacklisted due to potential misconfigurations. > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that > understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, but > namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record > point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not interested > in running my own email server. I currently only need two mailboxes, > maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not > commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or so > recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some > consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use > IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download > everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over spam > filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter > locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from > some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket with > them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" and > apparently no intent to ever do so. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jack I can't make any recommendations for email ISPs. There are a huge number of them marketing their services, some offering only email services, others include website hosting and data storage for the same price. I also use Google for mailing lists et al. I have been thinking of moving away from this capitalist
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
Jack wrote: > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent > from "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional > address. Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the > sourceforge system to a personal address I specify. When I send a > message "From: " that address, however, I cannot send it through the > sourceforge system, as I don't actually have an email account with > them. Currently, I send it through my gmail account. That works > because I added that address in my gmail Settings under "Accounts and > Import" / "Send mail as:". To set it up, gmail sends a message to > that address, and I click on a link in the message to prove it does > come to me. That's been working find for a long time, but, ... > > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like > this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the > message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox > because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. > > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough > namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar > setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of > them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. > > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that > understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, but > namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record > point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not > interested in running my own email server. I currently only need two > mailboxes, maybe a small number more in the future, but this is > personal, not commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to > a dozen or so recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is > at least some consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as > although I use IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 > to download everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over > spam filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter > locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from > some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket > with them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" > and apparently no intent to ever do so. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jack > I knew I would do this. I decided to search for it and it hit me, startmail.com. https://www.startmail.com Hopefully that link will work. That said, there may be even better out there with costs that vary. Generally, the more secure, the higher the cost but not always. A couple go to far for me. I store my emails locally so I use POP or whatever to fetch them. Some secure systems do not allow that. Secures emails may use some other connection method. When I did my search, I found this site that talks about the pros and cons of several providers. You may find it a interesting read. It lists several sites and talks about how they work, what they offer and what they don't and costs. It also links to a article about PGP that you may want to read as well, I'm about to myself. https://restoreprivacy.com/private-secure-email/ Hope that helps and by all means, post what you pick and why. It may help others and even myself. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
Jack wrote: > Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. > > As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent > from "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional > address. Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the > sourceforge system to a personal address I specify. When I send a > message "From: " that address, however, I cannot send it through the > sourceforge system, as I don't actually have an email account with > them. Currently, I send it through my gmail account. That works > because I added that address in my gmail Settings under "Accounts and > Import" / "Send mail as:". To set it up, gmail sends a message to > that address, and I click on a link in the message to prove it does > come to me. That's been working find for a long time, but, ... > > I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like > this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the > message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox > because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. > > I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough > namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar > setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of > them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. > > So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that > understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, but > namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record > point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not > interested in running my own email server. I currently only need two > mailboxes, maybe a small number more in the future, but this is > personal, not commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to > a dozen or so recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is > at least some consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as > although I use IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 > to download everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over > spam filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter > locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from > some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket > with them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" > and apparently no intent to ever do so. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Jack > I use gmail as well and the way I get around it not sending my reply back to me, I BCC myself. Of course, I have to remember to do that each time but it works, for me at least. That may help you in the meantime. I'd like to move to a secure email provider myself. I found one but I can't find the link or remember the name at the moment. The server is in a country where privacy comes first. According to them, Govts just don't allow searches. After I hit send, maybe it will come to me. I do recall the cost not being to bad. I just hate switching plus I have PGP set up for those times when I need it. Looking forward to seeing where this thread goes. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] OT: looking for email provider
Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent from "...@users.sourceforge.net" isn't really a fully functional address. Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge system to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as I don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:". To set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a link in the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find for a long time, but, ... I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, but namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not interested in running my own email server. I currently only need two mailboxes, maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or so recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over spam filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket with them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" and apparently no intent to ever do so. Thanks for any suggestions. Jack
