Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions on DVR/PVR backend?

[taii...@gmx.com]

So you know the RPI is not open source as the RPI foundation doesn't 
provide firmware sources.
Proprietary firmware is required to boot and fully use the device as the 
RPI foundation only cares about open source when it is convenient to them.


I would consider purchasing another device, of which legitimately open 
source low power ARM devices are a dime a dozen (vs the high performance 
realm where POWER's TALOS 2 or rare developer boards are the only choice)

Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions on DVR/PVR backend?

[Rich Freeman]

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Grant Edwards
 wrote:
>
> The main backend options seem to be MythTV, Plex, and TVHeadend.
>

You seem to understand the pros/cons fairly well.

I moved from MythTV to Plex about two years ago, but as a result of
moving from DVR to discrete media files, which MythTV was a poor fit
for.  The DVR service is new for Plex and I've never tried it, though
it would be free for me to use (I have a lifetime Plex pass).  I don't
have any tuners set up at all right now and no easy ability to watch
LiveTV of any kind.

One pain I always had with MythTV was any time where I wanted to run
different distros on front-ends vs servers, because the protocol
changes from time to time and upstream does not support anything other
than all clients and servers running on the exact same build.  (In
reality it is more flexible than that, but protocol version changes
are not generally announced or managed because upstream really does
want everything on one build.)  So, running a Gentoo server and a
MythBuntu front-end is a constant source of pain with the versions
never being in-sync.

The thing I like about Plex is that upstream basically tries to keep
everything painless and "just working."  They do QA testing on all
their platforms/etc, and I've never had a situation so far where my
server wouldn't talk to one of my clients.  I use a Roku client, an
android client, my android client casting to a chromecast, and the web
client.  I've messed with the windows desktop client as well.  They've
all always "just worked" with the auto-updates on all the various
platforms, and I just update my server about once a month (I think I
have that running in an Arch container on my main Gentoo box). Plex
also seems to handle media in whatever format I already have it in
fairly flexibly - I rarely have to rename files or anything like that.

Now, MythTV in general is going to be more flexible with DVR
capabilities, since it does have a database you can poke around in,
and more of an API/etc.  And of course it is open source so you really
can patch whatever you want into it.

In a pure DVR world I might still be running MythTV.  I'd certainly
evaluate Plex though.  I'm not sure how easy it is to evaluate Plex
DVR without paying something though.

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[gentoo-user] Opinions on DVR/PVR backend?

[Grant Edwards]

I think it's about time to replace my SageTV DVR/PVR system, so I'm
looking for opinions and recommendations for a DVR backend to run on a
Gentoo desktop machine.

Some Background...

For many years, I ran a dedicated, combined frontend/backend MythTV
system (usually a Debian install).  Then I switched to a mac-mini
frontend booting a dedicated MythTV frontend distro from a USB flash
drive with the MythTV backend running on my general-purposed Gentoo
box.  I was never completely happy with the mac mini frontend, but it
was small and quiet and mostly worked.

After that (about 8 years ago) I switched to using the SageTV backend
on that same Gentoo box with SageTV brand custom frontend set-top
boxes.

About a year later, SageTV got bought by Google and mostly shut down.
Software continued to be updated for a few years, and EPG data was
kept flowing.  The software has since been open-sourced, but the
backend development has slowed and development/support for the set-top
boxes ended (there are some nagging set-top box problems that are
never going to get fixed). The "lifetime" free EPG data spigot for
SageTV got turned off last year.

SageTV is a large Java app with a bunch of custom libraries.  For now,
the tarball of JAR files and binaries works, but it's not a long-term
solution.  I tried building the SageTV backend under Gentoo and was
unsuccessful in an effort to produce an ebuild for it.  The build
system is a completely broken mess of shell-scripts and makes all
sorts of assumptions about development host library versions (it
requires a lot of ancient library versions).

And now...

I'm looking for opinions on a DVR backend to run on a desktop Gentoo
box.  Input is OTA ATSC via an Ethernet-connected tuner (SiliconDust
HDHomeRun).  The ideal set-top frontend would be Roku. I'd also really
like a good Android frontend.  My next choice for a set-top frontend
would probably be Kodi on Raspberry Pi 3B or Vero 4K HW.  I'm going to
pick up a RPi3 this weekend and start playing with Kodi (OSMC or
LibreELEC).

The main backend options seem to be MythTV, Plex, and TVHeadend.

 MythTV

Pros: Good feature set
  Open-source

Cons: It's a giant bloated mess that pulls in all sorts of Qt stuff
  Fragile frontend API/protocol that gets broken regularly
  Poor music player (the last time I tried it)
  Poor frontend support for Android.

 Plex

Pros: Roku frontend
  Good integration of existing media files
  Good support for Android

Cons: DVR support is new
  Closed source
  Commercial service

 TVHeadend

Pros: Lightweight
  Minimal dependencies
  Open-source
  Android frontend (I think)

Cons: Weak recording management
  Poor integration of existing media

There are minimal subscription costs for all three ($40/year for Plex,
$25/year for the others), so that's a push.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions on -fstack-protector

[Mike Kazantsev]

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:11:10 +0200
Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote:

 I'm wondering what you think about CFLAGS=-fstack-protector? Do you
 use it on security critical systems? Do you compile your kernel with it
 (2.6.30+)? Is the performance decrease noticeable?

I might be missing a point, but if you want really secure kernel, why'd
you use 2.6.30+ instead of hardened-sources something like PaX and
grsecurity?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions on -fstack-protector

[Florian Philipp]

Mike Kazantsev schrieb:
 On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:11:10 +0200
 Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote:
 
 I'm wondering what you think about CFLAGS=-fstack-protector? Do you
 use it on security critical systems? Do you compile your kernel with it
 (2.6.30+)? Is the performance decrease noticeable?
 
 I might be missing a point, but if you want really secure kernel, why'd
 you use 2.6.30+ instead of hardened-sources something like PaX and
 grsecurity?
 

In this particular case, the system is a vserver client. The kernel is
out of my reach. I only have control about userspace.

In general, I thought this might be a simple improvement which doesn't
need all the fuzz a hardened system would need (esp. for desktop systems
and such alike).



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[gentoo-user] Opinions on -fstack-protector

[Florian Philipp]

Hi list!

I'm wondering what you think about CFLAGS=-fstack-protector? Do you
use it on security critical systems? Do you compile your kernel with it
(2.6.30+)? Is the performance decrease noticeable?

Thanks in advance!

Florian Philipp



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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[A. Khattri]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Mauro Faccenda wrote:

 And don't try to avoid been called geek by using those fancy smileys. ;)

Im an old timer (well, compared to a lot of folks - been using the net
since 89) and I remember when the ;) form of the smilie first appeared
on the scene. I opposed it then and still do. Since the ;-) came first
and is uncompressed it is preferable to me. Besides, most people still
have a nose in the middle of their faces ;-)



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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Arkady Grudzinsky]

I would compare GUI to helper wheels for bycicles. You may need
them if you can't ride, but once you know how to ride they start
limiting you and getting in your way. In my experience, time
spent to learn the text interface is much better invested than time
spent to learn which button to push, which box to check and where the
menu item is located. Text commands combined with the arsenal of
standard UNIX tools (awk, sed, Perl, piping, regular expressions,
output redirection, shell scripting, job scheduling) are way more
powerful and flexible than any imaginable GUI.

Image processing tools are exceptions (to certain extent) to which portage does not belong.

Just an opinion... (you asked for one).

Arkady.On 9/14/05, Michael W. Holdeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 14 September 2005 05:41 pm, Christoph Eckert wrote:  Has anyone heard of this? Any  opinions? There's also KGentooConf: 
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26601I like the looks of this, w/b nice to have an ebuild.Mike--Michael W. Holdeman
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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[C. Beamer]

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Arkady Grudzinsky wrote:

 I would compare GUI to helper wheels for bycicles. You may need
 them if you can't ride, but once you know how to ride they start
 limiting you and getting in your way. In my experience, time spent
 to learn the text interface is much better invested than time
 spent to learn which button to push, which box to check and where
 the menu item is located. Text commands combined with the arsenal
 of standard UNIX tools (awk, sed, Perl, piping, regular
 expressions, output redirection, shell scripting, job scheduling)
 are way more powerful and flexible than any imaginable GUI.

 Image processing tools are exceptions (to certain extent) to which
 portage does not belong.

 Just an opinion... (you asked for one).

Yes, I did ask for an opinion.  :-)

Just for the record, this isn't an issue of not being able to use the
command line.  I *love* the command line.  That's one of a number of
reasons that I moved to Linux.  :-)

However, I am still learning Gentoo and haven't yet figured out all
the nuances of portage.  I was just curious to find out if anyone had
tried the program.  I was not necessarily suggesting that I was about
to jump on the bandwagon.

Thanks for the opinions.  As of now, I think I'll just stick to
learning portage!  :-)

Regards,

Colleen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Thursday 15 September 2005 08:13, Arkady Grudzinsky wrote:
 I would compare GUI to helper wheels for bycicles. You may need them if you
 can't ride, but once you know how to ride they start limiting you and
 getting in your way. In my experience, time spent to learn the text
 interface is much better invested than time spent to learn which button to
 push, which box to check and where the menu item is located. Text commands
 combined with the arsenal of standard UNIX tools (awk, sed, Perl, piping,
 regular expressions, output redirection, shell scripting, job scheduling)
 are way more powerful and flexible than any imaginable GUI.

 Image processing tools are exceptions (to certain extent) to which portage
 does not belong.

 Just an opinion... (you asked for one).


well, some of the guis have the advantage, that you can see easily, which 
packets are installed, or have the descriptions readily there. That is 
sometimes usefull. 
But most of the time - yes. the guis are not needed in any way ;)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Holly Bostick]

Christoph Eckert schreef:
 GUI != ease of use

:-) :-) :-) :-)

See, statements like this are why 'the average user' says that Linux is
only for geeks.

:-) :-) :-) :-)

What in the bloody blue blazes does != mean?

:-) :-) :-) :-)

I would guess that it means 'not equal to', and is typed this way
because either 1) that's what programmers use, and we *are* all geeks
(except me, obviously) and/or 2) the symbol of an equal sign with a
slash through it (the standard mathematical/scientific symbol that 'the
average user' might reasonably be expected to know from school) cannot
be typed easily from most keyboards.

But really... talk normal, please.

:-) :-) :-) :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Holly Bostick]

Christoph Eckert schreef:

 To be honest, this has nothing to do with command line or not. I use
 a great command line script called unp. It unpacks any archive format
  without knowing the options of the various packing tools. Simply
 type »unp FILENAME« and you're done. Like it.
 

Oh, and thanks for the tip. Unp looks quite useful (and takes about 10
seconds to emerge, which is also neat).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Mauro Faccenda]

On Thursday 15 September 2005 19:20, Holly Bostick wrote:

 :-) :-) :-) :-)

 I would guess that it means 'not equal to', and is typed this way
 because either 1) that's what programmers use, and we *are* all geeks
 (except me, obviously) and/or 2) the symbol of an equal sign with a
 slash through it (the standard mathematical/scientific symbol that 'the
 average user' might reasonably be expected to know from school) cannot
 be typed easily from most keyboards.

You understood what it means = you are geek

And don't try to avoid been called geek by using those fancy smileys. ;)

[]'s
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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Holly Bostick]

Mauro Faccenda schreef:

  You understood what it means = you are geek
 
 And don't try to avoid been called geek by using those fancy smileys. ;)


Drat! And I would have got away with it, too, if it wasn't for you
meddling kids .!!!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Michael Crute]

On 9/15/05, C. Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, I am still learning Gentoo and haven't yet figured out allthe nuances of portage.I was just curious to find out if anyone hadtried the program.I was not necessarily suggesting that I was aboutto jump on the bandwagon.

IMO if you want to learn Portage there is no better way than the
command line. Check out the man pages and the online resources then use
the command line. The problem with trying to learning a tool using a
gui is that it does all the command work for you and you are none the
wiser. 

-Mike
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[gentoo-user] Opinions?

[C. Beamer]

Hi All,

A friend (non-Gentoo user) sent me this Gentoo-related url:

http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=16002

I got Gentoo installed with only a few hitches and it's running like a
charm since the install, but I'm still a newbie when it comes to
Gentoo, so I bow to the superior knowledge of the people on this list.

The url is about a KDE app called Kuroo that is supposed to be a
frontend to the portage tree.  You are supposed to be able to search for
installed packages, among other things.  Has anyone heard of this?  Any
opinions?

Take care,

Colleen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Michael Crute]

On 9/14/05, C. Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,A friend (non-Gentoo user) sent me this Gentoo-related url:
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=16002I got Gentoo installed with only a few hitches and it's running like acharm since the install, but I'm still a newbie when it comes toGentoo, so I bow to the superior knowledge of the people on this list.
The url is about a KDE app called Kuroo that is supposed to be afrontend to the portage tree.You are supposed to be able to search forinstalled packages, among other things.Has anyone heard of this?Any
opinions?Take care,Colleen--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Looks like a nifty little app. I personally use the command line because I like the command line. But if you are more of a graphical persuasion (i.e. ex-windoze/mac user) then maybe that's best for you. As far as anyone is concerned the way you interface to Portage is pretty much a personal decision based on your preferences.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Stuart Howard]

Hi

I cannot speak for the app you mentioned or for these but.
Kuroo - is marked testing
kentoo -
} Both marked as stable
guitoo - 

All are KDE frontends.

Now that said I personally prefer using 
http://packages.gentoo.org/categories/
or
http://gentoo-portage.com/
to find the app of my choice then emerge from the command line.

stu
[also new'ish user]

On 9/14/05, C. Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 A friend (non-Gentoo user) sent me this Gentoo-related url:
 
 http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=16002
 
 I got Gentoo installed with only a few hitches and it's running like a
 charm since the install, but I'm still a newbie when it comes to
 Gentoo, so I bow to the superior knowledge of the people on this list.
 
 The url is about a KDE app called Kuroo that is supposed to be a
 frontend to the portage tree.  You are supposed to be able to search for
 installed packages, among other things.  Has anyone heard of this?  Any
 opinions?
 
 Take care,
 
 Colleen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Christoph Eckert]

 Has anyone heard of this?  Any
 opinions?

There's also KGentooConf:

http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26601

I'd appcreciate it if both apps could help me to understand better the 
system and to use more of its features.


Best regards


ce


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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Rafael Fernández López]

Love portage AS IS. Is a cool front-end, but I love so much that
verbose output...

Bye.

2005/9/14, Christoph Eckert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Has anyone heard of this? Any
  opinions?
 
 There's also KGentooConf:
 
 http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26601
 
 I'd appcreciate it if both apps could help me to understand better the
 system and to use more of its features.
 
 
 Best regards
 
 
 ce
 
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Opinions?

[Michael W. Holdeman]

On Wednesday 14 September 2005 05:41 pm, Christoph Eckert wrote:
  Has anyone heard of this?  Any
  opinions?

 There's also KGentooConf:

 http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=26601

I like the looks of this, w/b nice to have an ebuild.

Mike

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