Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge depclean after world update

2022-10-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:27:16 +0100, Wol wrote:

> Does that mean an update typically cleans a replaced package 
> automagically? I thought that usually they got left behind and that was 
> why you needed depclean - to remove all the old versions?
> 
> Certainly that's what I remember of depclean of old - the list of stuff 
> being cleaned was mostly old versions of what was installed.

That is when updates to slotted packages are installed, wait until the
next llvm/clang update. Old versions of a package in the same slot, or
slot 0 for unslotted packages, are replaced with the new one, but new
slots cause the behaviour you have seen.


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Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge depclean after world update

2022-09-30 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 22:27, Wol  wrote:
> Does that mean an update typically cleans a replaced package
> automagically? I thought that usually they got left behind and that was
> why you needed depclean - to remove all the old versions?
>
> Certainly that's what I remember of depclean of old - the list of stuff
> being cleaned was mostly old versions of what was installed.

I don't remember that, although my memory might be less than stellar.

Unless a package is slotted, an update replaces the old version, and
hence nothing to depclean.

Cheers,
Arve



Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge depclean after world update

2022-09-30 Thread Wol

On 30/09/2022 20:46, Matt Connell wrote:

On Fri, 2022-09-30 at 20:36 +0100, Wol wrote:

I've noticed that --depclean hardly seems to be cleaning anything out
now. Despite regular emerge updates. I do an emerge update world every
week, followed immediately by a depclean, but it's probably cleaned
maybe one or two packages in the last month? Despite updating loads? Is
that normal?


Unless the dependencies of a package change (or you changed the
resulting set of dependencies via USE changes), they aren't usually a
whole lot of deps to clean.  That's my experience anyway.  When I'm
flailing around a lot in package.use I'll have dozens but otherwise its
usually just one or two here and there.

Does that mean an update typically cleans a replaced package 
automagically? I thought that usually they got left behind and that was 
why you needed depclean - to remove all the old versions?


Certainly that's what I remember of depclean of old - the list of stuff 
being cleaned was mostly old versions of what was installed.


Cheers,
Wol



Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge depclean after world update

2022-09-30 Thread Matt Connell
On Fri, 2022-09-30 at 20:36 +0100, Wol wrote:
> I've noticed that --depclean hardly seems to be cleaning anything out 
> now. Despite regular emerge updates. I do an emerge update world every 
> week, followed immediately by a depclean, but it's probably cleaned 
> maybe one or two packages in the last month? Despite updating loads? Is 
> that normal?

Unless the dependencies of a package change (or you changed the
resulting set of dependencies via USE changes), they aren't usually a
whole lot of deps to clean.  That's my experience anyway.  When I'm
flailing around a lot in package.use I'll have dozens but otherwise its
usually just one or two here and there.




Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge depclean after world update

2022-09-30 Thread John Covici
On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:36:10 -0400,
Wol wrote:
> 
> On 30/09/2022 20:05, Arve Barsnes wrote:
> > Probably a temporary problem. app-misc/tracker-miners requires a
> > version of app-text/poppler with subslot 123, but only ones with
> > subslot 122 and 124 currently exists in tree (as of my tree synced
> > within the last 24 hours). I'm sure that'll resolve itself at some
> > point one way or another.
> 
> Hmm ...
> 
> I've noticed that --depclean hardly seems to be cleaning anything
> out now. Despite regular emerge updates. I do an emerge update
> world every week, followed immediately by a depclean, but it's
> probably cleaned maybe one or two packages in the last month?
> Despite updating loads? Is that normal?
> 
> (Although I've not had any problems with depclean that a --bdeps
> didn't resolve)

Thank goodness for small favors from portage!  I think more
dependencies are brought in automatically.

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How do
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Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge depclean after world update

2022-09-30 Thread Wol

On 30/09/2022 20:05, Arve Barsnes wrote:

Probably a temporary problem. app-misc/tracker-miners requires a
version of app-text/poppler with subslot 123, but only ones with
subslot 122 and 124 currently exists in tree (as of my tree synced
within the last 24 hours). I'm sure that'll resolve itself at some
point one way or another.


Hmm ...

I've noticed that --depclean hardly seems to be cleaning anything out 
now. Despite regular emerge updates. I do an emerge update world every 
week, followed immediately by a depclean, but it's probably cleaned 
maybe one or two packages in the last month? Despite updating loads? Is 
that normal?


(Although I've not had any problems with depclean that a --bdeps didn't 
resolve)


Cheers,
Wol



Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge depclean after world update

2022-09-30 Thread John Covici
OK, thanks.  I will try an update after a couple of days.

On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:05:43 -0400,
Arve Barsnes wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 20:47, John Covici  wrote:
> >
> > Hi.  So, when I tried to do my emerge depclean after my world update,
> > which went through with no problems, I get the following message:
> >
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> >  * Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to
> >   * the following required packages not being installed:
> >*
> > *   >=app-text/poppler-0.16.0:0/123=[cairo] pulled in by:
> >  * app-misc/tracker-miners-3.4.0
> >
> > But I have:
> >
> > ebuild   R] app-text/poppler-22.09.0:0/124::gentoo  USE="cairo cxx
> > introspection jpeg jpeg2k lcms png qt5 tiff utils -boost -cjk -curl
> > -debug -doc -nss -verify-sig"
> > and
> > ebuild   R] app-misc/tracker-miners-3.4.0:3::gentoo  USE="exif gif
> > gstreamer iso jpeg networkmanager pdf playlist rss (seccomp) tiff
> > upower xml -cue -ffmpeg -gsf -iptc -raw -test -xmp -xps"
> >
> > So, what have I done wrong this time -- or is it some kind of bug
> > somewhere?
> 
> Probably a temporary problem. app-misc/tracker-miners requires a
> version of app-text/poppler with subslot 123, but only ones with
> subslot 122 and 124 currently exists in tree (as of my tree synced
> within the last 24 hours). I'm sure that'll resolve itself at some
> point one way or another.
> 
> Regards,
> Arve
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge depclean after world update

2022-09-30 Thread Arve Barsnes
On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 20:47, John Covici  wrote:
>
> Hi.  So, when I tried to do my emerge depclean after my world update,
> which went through with no problems, I get the following message:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
>  * Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to
>   * the following required packages not being installed:
>*
> *   >=app-text/poppler-0.16.0:0/123=[cairo] pulled in by:
>  * app-misc/tracker-miners-3.4.0
>
> But I have:
>
> ebuild   R] app-text/poppler-22.09.0:0/124::gentoo  USE="cairo cxx
> introspection jpeg jpeg2k lcms png qt5 tiff utils -boost -cjk -curl
> -debug -doc -nss -verify-sig"
> and
> ebuild   R] app-misc/tracker-miners-3.4.0:3::gentoo  USE="exif gif
> gstreamer iso jpeg networkmanager pdf playlist rss (seccomp) tiff
> upower xml -cue -ffmpeg -gsf -iptc -raw -test -xmp -xps"
>
> So, what have I done wrong this time -- or is it some kind of bug
> somewhere?

Probably a temporary problem. app-misc/tracker-miners requires a
version of app-text/poppler with subslot 123, but only ones with
subslot 122 and 124 currently exists in tree (as of my tree synced
within the last 24 hours). I'm sure that'll resolve itself at some
point one way or another.

Regards,
Arve



[gentoo-user] problem with emerge depclean after world update

2022-09-30 Thread John Covici
Hi.  So, when I tried to do my emerge depclean after my world update,
which went through with no problems, I get the following message:

Calculating dependencies... done!
 * Dependencies could not be completely resolved due to
  * the following required packages not being installed:
   *
*   >=app-text/poppler-0.16.0:0/123=[cairo] pulled in by:
 * app-misc/tracker-miners-3.4.0

But I have:

ebuild   R] app-text/poppler-22.09.0:0/124::gentoo  USE="cairo cxx
introspection jpeg jpeg2k lcms png qt5 tiff utils -boost -cjk -curl
-debug -doc -nss -verify-sig"
and
ebuild   R] app-misc/tracker-miners-3.4.0:3::gentoo  USE="exif gif
gstreamer iso jpeg networkmanager pdf playlist rss (seccomp) tiff
upower xml -cue -ffmpeg -gsf -iptc -raw -test -xmp -xps"

So, what have I done wrong this time -- or is it some kind of bug
somewhere?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

-- 
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How do
you spend it?

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 cov...@ccs.covici.com



Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge @preserved-rebuild

2019-05-31 Thread Mick
On Friday, 31 May 2019 20:08:45 BST allan gottlieb wrote:
> A few weeks ago I did an eix-sync but (with final exams coming) I did
> not do an emerge --update @world.
> 
> The semester is over so I tried the emerge --update @world (still based
> on the old eix-sync).  Specifically
> 
> emerge --update --newuse --with-bdeps=n  --exclude 
> sys-kernel/linux-firmware --exclude systemd --exclude grub --keep-going
> --deep @world
> 
> It emerged ~55 packages and when finished printed
> 
> !!! existing preserved libs:
> >>> package: app-misc/tracker-2.1.8
> 
>  *  - /usr/lib64/libtracker-sparql-1.0.so.0
>  *  - /usr/lib64/libtracker-sparql-1.0.so.0.1204.0
>  *  used by /usr/lib64/grilo-0.2/libgrltracker.so
> (media-plugins/grilo-plugins-0.2.17) *  used by
> /usr/lib64/nautilus/extensions-3.0/libnautilus-tracker-tags.so
> (gnome-extra/nautilus-tracker-tags-1.12.4) *  -
> /usr/lib64/tracker-1.0/libtracker-common.so.0
>  *  - /usr/lib64/tracker-1.0/libtracker-common.so.0.0.0
>  *  - /usr/lib64/tracker-1.0/libtracker-data.so.0
>  *  - /usr/lib64/tracker-1.0/libtracker-data.so.0.0.0
> Use emerge @preserved-rebuild to rebuild packages using these libraries
> 
> However emerge @preserved-rebuild fails, with output
> 
> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy
> "media-plugins/grilo-plugins:0.2". (dependency required by
> "@preserved-rebuild" [argument])
> 
> eix shows
> 
> [?] media-plugins/grilo-plugins
>  Available versions:  (0.3) 0.3.7 ~0.3.8
>{chromaprint daap dvd examples flickr freebox
> gnome-online-accounts lua subtitles test thetvdb tracker upnp-av vimeo
> +youtube} Installed versions:  0.2.17(0.2)(02:51:05 AM 03/25/2016)(dvd
> gnome-online-accounts tracker upnp-av vimeo youtube -daap -flickr -freebox
> -lua -subtitles -thetvdb) 0.3.7(0.3)(10:24:17 PM 04/18/2019)(dvd
> gnome-online-accounts tracker upnp-av youtube -chromaprint -daap -examples
> -flickr -freebox -lua -subtitles -test -thetvdb -vimeo) Homepage:  
>  https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Grilo Description: A collection of
> plugins for the Grilo framework
> 
> So one of my currently installed grilo-plugins is not in the tree.
> 
> What should I do?  The system currently is running fine.
> 
> thanks in advance,
> allan

I would resync and update world.  Then emerge --depclean, followed by 
@preserved-rebuild.  If the problem persists you can remove the obsolete 
version and see if @preserved-rebuild brings in the new version which is in 
the tree - it will if it is a needed dependency.

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[gentoo-user] problem with emerge @preserved-rebuild

2019-05-31 Thread allan gottlieb
A few weeks ago I did an eix-sync but (with final exams coming) I did
not do an emerge --update @world.

The semester is over so I tried the emerge --update @world (still based
on the old eix-sync).  Specifically

emerge --update --newuse --with-bdeps=n  --exclude  
sys-kernel/linux-firmware --exclude systemd --exclude grub --keep-going --deep 
@world

It emerged ~55 packages and when finished printed

!!! existing preserved libs:
>>> package: app-misc/tracker-2.1.8
 *  - /usr/lib64/libtracker-sparql-1.0.so.0
 *  - /usr/lib64/libtracker-sparql-1.0.so.0.1204.0
 *  used by /usr/lib64/grilo-0.2/libgrltracker.so 
(media-plugins/grilo-plugins-0.2.17)
 *  used by 
/usr/lib64/nautilus/extensions-3.0/libnautilus-tracker-tags.so 
(gnome-extra/nautilus-tracker-tags-1.12.4)
 *  - /usr/lib64/tracker-1.0/libtracker-common.so.0
 *  - /usr/lib64/tracker-1.0/libtracker-common.so.0.0.0
 *  - /usr/lib64/tracker-1.0/libtracker-data.so.0
 *  - /usr/lib64/tracker-1.0/libtracker-data.so.0.0.0
Use emerge @preserved-rebuild to rebuild packages using these libraries

However emerge @preserved-rebuild fails, with output

emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "media-plugins/grilo-plugins:0.2".
(dependency required by "@preserved-rebuild" [argument])

eix shows

[?] media-plugins/grilo-plugins
 Available versions:  (0.3) 0.3.7 ~0.3.8
   {chromaprint daap dvd examples flickr freebox gnome-online-accounts 
lua subtitles test thetvdb tracker upnp-av vimeo +youtube}
 Installed versions:  0.2.17(0.2)(02:51:05 AM 03/25/2016)(dvd 
gnome-online-accounts tracker upnp-av vimeo youtube -daap -flickr -freebox -lua 
-subtitles -thetvdb) 0.3.7(0.3)(10:24:17 PM 04/18/2019)(dvd 
gnome-online-accounts tracker upnp-av youtube -chromaprint -daap -examples 
-flickr -freebox -lua -subtitles -test -thetvdb -vimeo)
 Homepage:https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Grilo
 Description: A collection of plugins for the Grilo framework

So one of my currently installed grilo-plugins is not in the tree.

What should I do?  The system currently is running fine.

thanks in advance,
allan



[gentoo-user] Problem with emerge -uD world

2009-09-09 Thread Massimiliano Ziccardi
Hi all (sorry to bother you again!!)

I'm still in the middle of the process of updating to KDE4

Now the update blocks with and svn error:

 *  The die message:
 *   subversion: can't fetch to
/usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/eselect-python/trunk from
https://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/python/projects/eselect-python/trunk.

I've configured the proxy setting both http_proxy and https_proxy.

Do I have to configure something else?

Usually emerge has always worked, so I thing it's an SVN problem,
however, through the browser, I successfully connect to the site...


Any idea?

Thanks a lot,
Massimiliano



Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge -uD world

2009-09-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 09 September 2009 11:22:31 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
 Hi all (sorry to bother you again!!)
 
 I'm still in the middle of the process of updating to KDE4
 
 Now the update blocks with and svn error:
 
  *  The die message:
  *   subversion: can't fetch to
 /usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/eselect-python/trunk from
 https://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/python/projects/eselect-python/trunk.
 
 I've configured the proxy setting both http_proxy and https_proxy.
 
 Do I have to configure something else?
 
 Usually emerge has always worked, so I thing it's an SVN problem,
 however, through the browser, I successfully connect to the site...

From your log of yesterday:


[nomerge  ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.1  USE=handbook python (-aqua) 
-debug -google-gadgets (-kdeprefix) -rss -xinerama 
[ebuild  N]  dev-python/sip-4.8.2  USE=-debug -doc 601 kB
[ebuild U ]   app-admin/eselect-python- [20090606] 0 kB


Do you really really want the latest bleeding edge eselect-python from svn?

You will have an entry in package.keywords or maybe package.unmask causing 
this. Remove those entries.

Even better, put -python in USE and enable it only for those packages where 
you know you want it. Python-based plugins in KDE cause no end of build issues 
and are seldom needed.

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge -uD world

2009-09-09 Thread Massimiliano Ziccardi
Thanks!

I removed it and now it works... however, I think autounmask added it (I
never did : I swear! :-) )

I thought however that 999 was a strange version number :-)
Thanks,
Massimiliano


On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wednesday 09 September 2009 11:22:31 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
  Hi all (sorry to bother you again!!)
 
  I'm still in the middle of the process of updating to KDE4
 
  Now the update blocks with and svn error:
 
   *  The die message:
   *   subversion: can't fetch to
  /usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/eselect-python/trunk from
 
 https://overlays.gentoo.org/svn/proj/python/projects/eselect-python/trunk.
 
  I've configured the proxy setting both http_proxy and https_proxy.
 
  Do I have to configure something else?
 
  Usually emerge has always worked, so I thing it's an SVN problem,
  however, through the browser, I successfully connect to the site...

 From your log of yesterday:


 [nomerge  ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.1  USE=handbook python
 (-aqua)
 -debug -google-gadgets (-kdeprefix) -rss -xinerama
 [ebuild  N]  dev-python/sip-4.8.2  USE=-debug -doc 601 kB
 [ebuild U ]   app-admin/eselect-python- [20090606] 0 kB


 Do you really really want the latest bleeding edge eselect-python from svn?

 You will have an entry in package.keywords or maybe package.unmask causing
 this. Remove those entries.

 Even better, put -python in USE and enable it only for those packages where
 you know you want it. Python-based plugins in KDE cause no end of build
 issues
 and are seldom needed.

 --
 alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge -uD world

2009-09-09 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 09 September 2009 12:02:39 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
 Thanks!
 
 I removed it and now it works... however, I think autounmask added it (I
^^

I do not, have never, and likely will never, trust this beast.

vi + eyeballs is my preferred tool :-)

 never did : I swear! :-) )
 
 I thought however that 999 was a strange version number :-)
 Thanks,
 Massimiliano

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge -uD world

2009-09-09 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Wednesday 09 September 2009 12:02:39 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
   
 Thanks!

 I removed it and now it works... however, I think autounmask added it (I
 
 ^^

 I do not, have never, and likely will never, trust this beast.

 vi + eyeballs is my preferred tool :-)

   
 never did : I swear! :-) )

 I thought however that 999 was a strange version number :-)
 Thanks,
 Massimiliano
 

   

vi ?  LOL  I have used autounmask and so far it has not broke anything. 
I also like the way it separates what it adds from what was already
there.  It puts little separators in there so you can easily remove the
lines it added.  I use Kwrite to edit files, nano if I am between a rock
and a hard place. 

Each his own tho.  :-D

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge -uD world

2009-09-09 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:04:27 -0500, Dale wrote:

  I do not, have never, and likely will never, trust this beast.
 
  vi + eyeballs is my preferred tool :-)

You're not supposed to trust it. It gives a starting point for ${EDITOR}
and eyeballs.

 vi ?  LOL  I have used autounmask and so far it has not broke anything. 
 I also like the way it separates what it adds from what was already
 there.  It puts little separators in there so you can easily remove the
 lines it added.

If /etc/portage/packages.{unmask,keywords} are directories, it puts its
entries in a separate file, which is even easier to work with.


-- 
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A friend in need may turn out to be a nuisance.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge -uD world

2009-09-09 Thread Massimiliano Ziccardi
Well..
as a gentoo newbie, I can say autounmask made my life much easier.

Of course the error has been mine: I should have used the 'pretend' switch
and look closer to the list...

However, I don't think I would have noticed much: don't blame me, but many
emerge aspects are still alien beasts to me :-)


Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge -uD world

2009-09-09 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:04:27 -0500, Dale wrote:

   
 I do not, have never, and likely will never, trust this beast.

 vi + eyeballs is my preferred tool :-)
   

 You're not supposed to trust it. It gives a starting point for ${EDITOR}
 and eyeballs.

   
 vi ?  LOL  I have used autounmask and so far it has not broke anything. 
 I also like the way it separates what it adds from what was already
 there.  It puts little separators in there so you can easily remove the
 lines it added.
 

 If /etc/portage/packages.{unmask,keywords} are directories, it puts its
 entries in a separate file, which is even easier to work with.


   

I really need to change over to the directory method.  That just sounds
s cool.  Autounmask creating a new file makes it even better.

Thanks for that tip.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge -uD world

2009-09-09 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:04:27 -0500, Dale wrote:


 I do not, have never, and likely will never, trust this beast.

 vi + eyeballs is my preferred tool :-)


 You're not supposed to trust it. It gives a starting point for ${EDITOR}
 and eyeballs.


 vi ?  LOL  I have used autounmask and so far it has not broke anything.
 I also like the way it separates what it adds from what was already
 there.  It puts little separators in there so you can easily remove the
 lines it added.


 If /etc/portage/packages.{unmask,keywords} are directories, it puts its
 entries in a separate file, which is even easier to work with.




 I really need to change over to the directory method.  That just sounds
 s cool.  Autounmask creating a new file makes it even better.

 Thanks for that tip.

For things like the KDE overlay it's almost required to do it that way
if you want to keep your sanity. You can just make a symlink to the
unmask and keywords files in the overlay so it automagically is
updated when you re-sync it :)



Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-07-02 Thread Massimiliano Ziccardi
Thank you Alan.

Just as an information, if it happens to something else:

I've installed successfully the split ebuilds.

However, after the upgrade, I had to disable UXA: with UXA Xorg didn't even
start (it crashes).

However (as glxgears says), FPS jumped from 500 to 1300...

Thank you all,
Massimiliano


Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-07-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 30 June 2009 23:17:02 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
 It's far preferable to let people like yourself suffer the consequences of

 not

 reading documentation

 Touched :-)

 However, I read the documentation.
 It's just that this is my first gentoo installation: I didn't get I had to
 uninstall the older version of the software to upgrade to the new one.

You get to learn those tricks as you go along. Normally, one just upgrades and 
portage takes care of the install old one, install new one step. But KDE 
split and monolithic ebuilds covering the same KDE package are different in 
this regard - they are incompatible and cannot co-exist on the same machine.

 Especially when it says 'We still provide monolithic ebuilds for 3.5 (up
 till 3.5.9) and they are ***cleanly interoperable*** with the split ones.'

That's a strange statement for the document to make. Split and monolithic can 
interoperate as long as you keep them cleanly separated. Take an example - 
kdepim and kdegames. Both have full monolithic and split ebuilds. You might 
decide you do indeed want all of kdepim [1] but not all the games. So you 
could emerge kdepim and selectively pick the few split-ebuild games you do 
want.

What you can't do is also try to emerge kmail - that clashes with the kmail 
that kdepim wants to put there.

[1] Here you would actually use kdepim-meta in the real world (it pulls in all 
the kdepim split ebuilds), but this is a demonstration, not a list of accurate 
install instructions.


 However, I think now I understand how it works a little bit more (but not
 too much ;-) ).

 One more thing: couldn't those 'stable users' read the documentation too,
 and unmask the obsolete package (if they were masked)?

Think about this. You are asking users who have been doing something one way 
for years, to all of a sudden have their packages masked, their systems 
broken, expect them to go and find documentation (the location of which is not 
easy to provide at that time), unmask stuff and continue.

Why? And for what benefit?

The way it is done is the best possible way for all the users. Existing users 
continue as they did, new users get to make a choice first (which is something 
they have to do anyway).


 Massimiliano

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[gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-06-30 Thread Massimiliano Ziccardi
Hi all!!

I tried today :

emerge --update --deep world

but I get the following error:

[blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase (kde-base/kdebase is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)

I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?

Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall kdebase
:-) )

Thank you,
Massimiliano


Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-06-30 Thread AllenJB

Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:

Hi all!!

I tried today :

emerge --update --deep world

but I get the following error:

[blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase (kde-base/kdebase is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)

I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?

Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall kdebase
:-) )

Thank you,
Massimiliano


The monolithic packages are obsolete - please switch to split packages:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde-split-ebuilds.xml

AllenJB



Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-06-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 30 Juni 2009, Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
 Hi all!!

 I tried today :

 emerge --update --deep world

 but I get the following error:

 [blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase (kde-base/kdebase is blocking
 kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)

 I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?

 Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall kdebase

 :-) )

 Thank you,
 Massimiliano

yes, it is related to the fact that monolithic ebuilds are phased out. Search 
the archive, you will find a lot about it. Also looking into the kde guide on 
gentoo.org might help you.



Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-06-30 Thread Alex Schuster
Massimiliano Ziccardi writes:

 emerge --update --deep world

 but I get the following error:

 [blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase (kde-base/kdebase is blocking
 kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)

 I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?

 Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall
 kdebase

Maybe this large thread gives some insights.
http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-am...@lists.gentoo.org/msg11168.html

Wonko



Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-06-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 30 June 2009 14:40:20 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
 Hi all!!

 I tried today :

 emerge --update --deep world

 but I get the following error:

 [blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase (kde-base/kdebase is blocking
 kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)

 I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?

 Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall kdebase

 :-) )

You cannot install kdelibs and kdebase simultaneously. One is a monolithic 
package, the other is a split ebuilf. There is an article on the doc site 
about this, search for KDE split ebuild guide.

And you MUST uninstall kdebase to use kde-3.5.10. Monolithic ebuilds are not 
supported for 3.5.10. Or you could stick with 3.5.9 and mask 3.5.10

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-06-30 Thread Massimiliano Ziccardi
I'm installing the split ebuild ( Very long operation..  x-/ ).

Wouldn't be better to mask the kdebase monolithic ebuild, so that
unexperienced gentoo
linux users as I am would not spend useless hours installing it?

Thanks again for your prompt help,
Massimiliano

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:

 Massimiliano Ziccardi writes:

  emerge --update --deep world
 
  but I get the following error:
 
  [blocks B ] kde-base/kdebase (kde-base/kdebase is blocking
  kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
 
  I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?
 
  Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall
  kdebase

 Maybe this large thread gives some insights.
 http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-am...@lists.gentoo.org/msg11168.html

Wonko




Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-06-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tuesday 30 June 2009 17:41:35 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
 I'm installing the split ebuild ( Very long operation..  x-/ ).

 Wouldn't be better to mask the kdebase monolithic ebuild, so that
 unexperienced gentoo
 linux users as I am would not spend useless hours installing it?

No. That's a bad idea. Stable users have been using monolithic ebuilds for 
ages. You can't just take that away from them.

It's far preferable to let people like yourself suffer the consequences of not 
reading documentation - split ebuilds have been available and documented since 
at around 2006 IIRC


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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

2009-06-30 Thread Massimiliano Ziccardi
It's far preferable to let people like yourself suffer the consequences of
not
reading documentation

Touched :-)

However, I read the documentation.
It's just that this is my first gentoo installation: I didn't get I had to
uninstall the older version of the software to upgrade to the new one.

Especially when it says 'We still provide monolithic ebuilds for 3.5 (up
till 3.5.9) and they are ***cleanly interoperable*** with the split ones.'

However, I think now I understand how it works a little bit more (but not
too much ;-) ).

One more thing: couldn't those 'stable users' read the documentation too,
and unmask the obsolete package (if they were masked)?

Massimiliano


[gentoo-user] Problem with Emerge

2006-09-07 Thread Bill Six
Hi,3 days ago I just switched back to Gentoo after not using it for about 6 months.However, I've been having issues emerging packages. Frequently, the build will crap out and I'll get something like the following. Any idea why this happens?
Thanks.ake[2]: [java.stage1] Error 1 (ignored)mv: cannot stat `objc/*.o': No such file or directorymake[2]: [objc.stage1] Error 1 (ignored)/var/tmp/portage/gcc-4.1.1/work/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/genmodes.c: In function 'main':
/var/tmp/portage/gcc-4.1.1/work/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/genmodes.c:1255: internal compiler error: Segmentation faultPlease submit a full bug report,with preprocessed source if appropriate.See URL:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/ for instructions.The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.make[2]: *** [build/genmodes.o] Error 1make[1]: *** [stageprofile_build] Error 2make: *** [profiledbootstrap] Error 2
!!! ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1 failed.Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1539: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 939: Called src_compile ebuild.sh, line 1248: Called toolchain_src_compile toolchain.eclass
, line 24: Called gcc_src_compile toolchain.eclass, line 1529: Called gcc_do_make toolchain.eclass, line 1403: Called die!!! emake failed with profiledbootstrap


[gentoo-user] Problem with Emerge

2006-09-07 Thread Bill Six
Hi,3 days ago I just switched back to Gentoo after not using it for about 6 months.However,
I've been having issues emerging packages. Frequently, the build will
crap out and I'll get something like the following. Any idea why this
happens?
Thanks.ake[2]: [java.stage1] Error 1 (ignored)mv: cannot stat `objc/*.o': No such file or directorymake[2]: [objc.stage1] Error 1 (ignored)/var/tmp/portage/gcc-4.1.1/work/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/genmodes.c: In function 'main':
/var/tmp/portage/gcc-4.1.1/work/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/genmodes.c:1255: internal compiler error: Segmentation faultPlease submit a full bug report,with preprocessed source if appropriate.See URL:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/ for instructions.The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.make[2]: *** [build/genmodes.o] Error 1make[1]: *** [stageprofile_build] Error 2make: *** [profiledbootstrap] Error 2
!!! ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1 failed.Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1539: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 939: Called src_compile ebuild.sh, line 1248: Called toolchain_src_compile 
toolchain.eclass
, line 24: Called gcc_src_compile toolchain.eclass, line 1529: Called gcc_do_make toolchain.eclass, line 1403: Called die!!! emake failed with profiledbootstrap


Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with Emerge

2006-09-07 Thread Dale
Bill Six wrote:
 Hi,

 3 days ago I just switched back to Gentoo after not using it for about
 6 months.

 However, I've been having issues emerging packages.  Frequently, the
 build will crap out and I'll get something like the following.  Any
 idea why this happens?

 Thanks.

 ake[2]: [java.stage1] Error 1 (ignored)
 mv: cannot stat `objc/*.o': No such file or directory
 make[2]: [objc.stage1] Error 1 (ignored)
 /var/tmp/portage/gcc-4.1.1/work/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/genmodes.c: In function
 'main':
 /var/tmp/portage/gcc-4.1.1/work/gcc-4.1.1/gcc/genmodes.c:1255:
 internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
 Please submit a full bug report,
 with preprocessed source if appropriate.
 See URL: http://bugs.gentoo.org/ for instructions.
 The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.
 make[2]: *** [build/genmodes.o] Error 1
 make[1]: *** [stageprofile_build] Error 2
 make: *** [profiledbootstrap] Error 2

 !!! ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1 failed.
 Call stack:
   ebuild.sh, line 1539:   Called dyn_compile
   ebuild.sh, line 939:   Called src_compile
   ebuild.sh, line 1248:   Called toolchain_src_compile
   toolchain.eclass , line 24:   Called gcc_src_compile
   toolchain.eclass, line 1529:   Called gcc_do_make
   toolchain.eclass, line 1403:   Called die

 !!! emake failed with profiledbootstrap



What all did you upgrade before this?  Did you upgrade portage?  There
has been a lot of changes in the last six months.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with Emerge

2006-09-07 Thread Bill Six
I wiped Ubuntu off of my machine, and installed a fresh copy of Gentoo from the 2006.1 release. 
What all did you upgrade before this?Did you upgrade portage?Therehas been a lot of changes in the last six months.Dale:-):-)--gentoo-user@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with Emerge

2006-09-07 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Bill Six wrote:
 Hi,
 
 3 days ago I just switched back to Gentoo after not using it for about 6
 months.
 
 However, I've been having issues emerging packages.  Frequently, the
 build will crap out and I'll get something like the following.  Any idea
 why this happens?

Are they happening in unreproduceable locations? If so, see:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/20600

Thanks,
Donnie



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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with Emerge

2006-09-07 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2006 September 07 Thursday 11:11:46 PM -0400, Bill Six wrote:
Hi,

3 days ago I just switched back to Gentoo after not using it for
about 6 months.

However, I've been having issues emerging packages.  Frequently,
the build will crap out and I'll get something like the
following.  Any idea why this happens?

If you're getting the compiler segmentation fault on many packages at
random times you probably have bad hardware.  The causes I've seen for
this are bad or intermittently bad ram/other hardware, or hardware
failure over a certain temperature.  The first can be easily diagnosed
with memtest86+ as once the probe hits bad sectors you'll know about it.
The second is much more difficult to track down but not impossible.  If
your compiler is segfaulting once the CPU hits a certain temperature,
then you can verify this is going on by emerging a package and watching
the temperature and observe at which temperature the compiler segfaults.
Older Athlons run pretty hot.  If this is your case you may want to buy
the expensive silver heat sink compound.  As for OS problems I don't
know what to say except that this may be a sign not to run -mm or better
patch sets and expect things to be stable. (:  At least all the critical
ebuilds should filter out insanity CFLAGS.


Justin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with Emerge

2006-09-07 Thread Richard Broersma Jr
  3 days ago I just switched back to Gentoo after not using it for about 6
  months.
  
  However, I've been having issues emerging packages.  Frequently, the
  build will crap out and I'll get something like the following.  Any idea
  why this happens?
 
 Are they happening in unreproduceable locations? If so, see:
 https://bugs.gentoo.org/20600

I had this problem also, however I fixed by un-over clocking my processor.  
Too much heat is not
a good thing.
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[gentoo-user] Problem after emerge --update --deep world

2005-12-13 Thread C. Beamer
Hi all,

This issue is related to my desktop.  Bear with me while I give some
background details.

A couple of months ago, I followed the MySQL Upgrade Guide to upgrade
MySQL.  At that time, some configuration files were changed.  I don't
know specifically if those changes had anything to do with a problem
that developed.  The problem was that when I logged out of KDE and chose
to either restart or shutdown the computer, neither of these occurred. 
The monitor would shut off, but not the computer.

A week or so ago, I did the gcc upgrade using the GCC Upgrade Guide and
much to my pleasure, the problem of not being able to reboot or shutdown
when I selected those choices from the menu on KDE logout disappeared.

On Sunday, I started an 'emerge --update --deep world'.  A number of kde
3.4.3 packages were pulled in (I orginally emerged kde-meta).  The
update went fine.  At the end, I ran etc-update and 4 configuration
files related to kde were updated.  The files were:  klipperrc,
ksslcalist, kdmrc, and libkleopatrarc.

Now, after the update, I again cannot reboot or shutdown when I select
either of the choices from the menu on KDE logout.

I figured that kdmrc, might be a logical file to be causing the problem
and I *did* find a Shutdown section in this file with the lines
related to shutdown and reboot commented out.  I removed the '#' and
used the suggested defaults - /sbin/halt and /sbin/reboot.  Well, this
didn't solve the problem, so I tried editing the related lines to
/etc/init.d/shutdown.sh and /etc/init.d/reboot.sh.  This didn't solve
the problem either.

So, in a nutshell, I still cannot shutdown or reboot when I select these
from the menu on KDE logout.

Any ideas here?

Regards,

Colleen
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[gentoo-user] problem with emerge

2005-06-11 Thread Allan Spagnol Comar
Hi all I am having some problem with emerge, I had emerged bootsplash,
then I discover in this list that for newer kernels we should use
splashutils, then I unmerged bootsplash and emerged splashutils, now I
am trying to update my system and I am receiving this message:

[blocks B ] media-gfx/splashutils (is blocking
media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7)
[blocks B ] media-gfx/bootsplash (is blocking
media-gfx/splashutils-0.9.1)
.2]
[ebuild  N] media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7

what should I do to fix it ?


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Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge

2005-06-11 Thread Tim Igoe


Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
 Hi all I am having some problem with emerge, I had emerged bootsplash,
 then I discover in this list that for newer kernels we should use
 splashutils, then I unmerged bootsplash and emerged splashutils, now I
 am trying to update my system and I am receiving this message:
 
 [blocks B ] media-gfx/splashutils (is blocking
 media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7)
 [blocks B ] media-gfx/bootsplash (is blocking
 media-gfx/splashutils-0.9.1)
 .2]
 [ebuild  N] media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7
 
 what should I do to fix it ?
 
 
Try unmerging the pair of them, then emerge splashutils

If not, emerge -uDpt world - look at the tree produced to work out what
pulls in bootsplash

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Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge

2005-06-11 Thread Holly Bostick
Tim Igoe schreef:
 
 Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
 
Hi all I am having some problem with emerge, I had emerged bootsplash,
then I discover in this list that for newer kernels we should use
splashutils, then I unmerged bootsplash and emerged splashutils, now I
am trying to update my system and I am receiving this message:

[blocks B ] media-gfx/splashutils (is blocking
media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7)
[blocks B ] media-gfx/bootsplash (is blocking
media-gfx/splashutils-0.9.1)
.2]
[ebuild  N] media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7

what should I do to fix it ?


 
 Try unmerging the pair of them, then emerge splashutils
 
 If not, emerge -uDpt world - look at the tree produced to work out what
 pulls in bootsplash
 

Cookie bet that it's a bootsplash-themes package... if so, uninstall
said package (since you can't use it if you don't have bootsplash
anyway), and then try the update again.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge

2005-06-11 Thread YoYo Siska
Holly Bostick wrote:
 Tim Igoe schreef:
 
Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:


Hi all I am having some problem with emerge, I had emerged bootsplash,
then I discover in this list that for newer kernels we should use
splashutils, then I unmerged bootsplash and emerged splashutils, now I
am trying to update my system and I am receiving this message:

[blocks B ] media-gfx/splashutils (is blocking
media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7)
[blocks B ] media-gfx/bootsplash (is blocking
media-gfx/splashutils-0.9.1)
.2]
[ebuild  N] media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7

what should I do to fix it ?



Try unmerging the pair of them, then emerge splashutils

If not, emerge -uDpt world - look at the tree produced to work out what
pulls in bootsplash

 
 
 Cookie bet that it's a bootsplash-themes package... if so, uninstall
 said package (since you can't use it if you don't have bootsplash
 anyway), and then try the update again.
 
 Holly

don't bootsplash themes work with fbsplash and splashutils?
i think i'm using my old bootsplash theme right now...
but i may be wrong ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge

2005-06-11 Thread Holly Bostick
YoYo Siska schreef:
 Holly Bostick wrote:
 
Tim Igoe schreef:


Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:



Hi all I am having some problem with emerge, I had emerged bootsplash,
then I discover in this list that for newer kernels we should use
splashutils, then I unmerged bootsplash and emerged splashutils, now I
am trying to update my system and I am receiving this message:

[blocks B ] media-gfx/splashutils (is blocking
media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7)
[blocks B ] media-gfx/bootsplash (is blocking
media-gfx/splashutils-0.9.1)
.2]
[ebuild  N] media-gfx/bootsplash-0.6.1-r7

what should I do to fix it ?



Try unmerging the pair of them, then emerge splashutils

If not, emerge -uDpt world - look at the tree produced to work out what
pulls in bootsplash



Cookie bet that it's a bootsplash-themes package... if so, uninstall
said package (since you can't use it if you don't have bootsplash
anyway), and then try the update again.

Holly
 
 
 don't bootsplash themes work with fbsplash and splashutils?
 i think i'm using my old bootsplash theme right now...
 but i may be wrong ;)
 
 yoyo

No, they don't-- or in any case, such themes have to be converted in
order to run (since fbsplash is now so bootsplash compatible). These are
different programs that use different syntax to do the same type of
thing. They use a different backend as well; bootsplash doesn't know
anything about vesafb-tng, either.

In any case, any bootsplash-themes package you have installed doesn't
know anything about fbsplash or splashutils-- it thinks it is dependent
on bootsplash, therefore it would drag it in. Since it's about the only
thing that would, as far as I can tell, a simple 'eix bootsplash' will
confirm if I've won a cookie today (or not).

Holly


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Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge

2005-06-11 Thread YoYo Siska
Holly Bostick wrote:

Cookie bet that it's a bootsplash-themes package... if so, uninstall
said package (since you can't use it if you don't have bootsplash
anyway), and then try the update again.

Holly


don't bootsplash themes work with fbsplash and splashutils?
i think i'm using my old bootsplash theme right now...
but i may be wrong ;)

yoyo
 
 
 No, they don't-- or in any case, such themes have to be converted in
 order to run (since fbsplash is now so bootsplash compatible). These are
 different programs that use different syntax to do the same type of
 thing. They use a different backend as well; bootsplash doesn't know
 anything about vesafb-tng, either.
 
 In any case, any bootsplash-themes package you have installed doesn't
 know anything about fbsplash or splashutils-- it thinks it is dependent
 on bootsplash, therefore it would drag it in. Since it's about the only
 thing that would, as far as I can tell, a simple 'eix bootsplash' will
 confirm if I've won a cookie today (or not).
 
 Holly



cookie is certainly your's, bootsplash-themes do depend on bootsplash,
i was just just wondering about your comment, that they can't be used
with fbsplash..
but you were right too ;))), just remembered that i did a
bootsplash2fbsplash on my themes (or changed the few things in which
they differ by hand ;)

yoyo
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