[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] LiveCDs for Uni students

2014-03-10 Thread James
Andrew Lowe agl at wht.com.au writes:


  I'm looking for a lightweight LiveCD that includes a graphical 
 environment and gcc/clang so that we can make it available on our 
 internal network for the students to download/burn and use at home. Does 
 anyone have any ideas/experience in something like this? I've looked at 
 Lubuntu but it lacks gcc.

adding packages to *ubuntu* after installation, is trivial and part
of normal system maintenance. As others have stated, you can use
catalyst to create your own gentoo-derivative OS, thus controlling
what software the students are using (hopefully).  On most every
install of linux, it's fairly simple and routine to downloand and
install new software; so assess your goals of keeping them each
rigidly on the same install base of whatevery distro you select to use.



There are 2 differnt gentoo derivatives I'd suggest:

Pentoo, is most excellent for the security minded. (weak on community
support).
http://www.pentoo.ch/isos/


Arch linux is fantastic for noobs. who want a Gentoo_ish distro!
https://www.archlinux.org/download/


ymmv,
hth,
James







Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] LiveCDs for Uni students

2014-03-09 Thread Bruce Schultz


On 9 March 2014 4:05:42 AM AEST, Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au wrote:

   Thanks everyone for your comments. In my research, I stumbled across
sax, www.sax.org, and it does all that I need. I can either burn it to
a
cd or a stick, it has the apps I need and is quite small, just under
300MB.

   Andrew

Do you perhaps mean http://www.slax.org ?

Bruce





Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] LiveCDs for Uni students

2014-03-09 Thread Andrew Lowe
On 03/09/2014 06:27 PM, Bruce Schultz wrote:
 
 
 On 9 March 2014 4:05:42 AM AEST, Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au wrote:
 
  Thanks everyone for your comments. In my research, I stumbled across
 sax, www.sax.org, and it does all that I need. I can either burn it to
 a
 cd or a stick, it has the apps I need and is quite small, just under
 300MB.

  Andrew
 
 Do you perhaps mean http://www.slax.org ?
 
 Bruce

Whoops, yes.

Andrew




[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] LiveCDs for Uni students

2014-03-08 Thread Thomas Mueller
  systemrescuecd?

 Too complicated. What I mean by this is that the user upon booting
 has options!!! Do you kick into a graphical environment, do you copy
 everything to memory, do you. you get the idea. The problem is
 that these are first year students in a common first year, they have
 not yet decided upon their stream, could be Civil, Chem, Mech etc and
 don't see any benefit in doing programming but have to pass the
 subject.

 My requirement is that it boots into a GUI, preferably straight
 into the environment, no username/password, has dhcp, a decent editor,
 a browser and gcc or clang.
 
 Andrew

System Rescue CD fulfils the above requirements.  You can go straight to XFCE, 
be root with no user/password, by default automatically configures network with 
DHCP.  Editor is vim (I believe), browser is Midori, and gcc is present; I 
didn't think of looking for clang.

Tom




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] LiveCDs for Uni students

2014-03-08 Thread Andrew Lowe
On 03/08/2014 09:24 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
 systemrescuecd?
 
 Too complicated. What I mean by this is that the user upon booting
 has options!!! Do you kick into a graphical environment, do you copy
 everything to memory, do you. you get the idea. The problem is
 that these are first year students in a common first year, they have
 not yet decided upon their stream, could be Civil, Chem, Mech etc and
 don't see any benefit in doing programming but have to pass the
 subject.
 
 My requirement is that it boots into a GUI, preferably straight
 into the environment, no username/password, has dhcp, a decent editor,
 a browser and gcc or clang.
  
 Andrew
 
 System Rescue CD fulfils the above requirements.  You can go straight to 
 XFCE, be root with no user/password, by default automatically configures 
 network with DHCP.  Editor is vim (I believe), browser is Midori, and gcc is 
 present; I didn't think of looking for clang.
 
 Tom
 

Thanks everyone for your comments. In my research, I stumbled across
sax, www.sax.org, and it does all that I need. I can either burn it to a
cd or a stick, it has the apps I need and is quite small, just under 300MB.

Andrew



[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] LiveCDs for Uni students

2014-03-07 Thread eroen
On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 08:54:38 +0800, Andrew Lowe a...@wht.com.au wrote:
 Hi all,
  I'm doing some research on the topic of LiveCD's and was after
 any input the list may have.
 
  I'm a tutor at a Uni in Australia teaching, amongst others, 1st 
 year Engineering students. We teach them C. Last year we had a lab
 set up and as well, they could ssh into a Linux box from home so that
 they could do assignments. Now due to a bureaucratic change ssh
 access is now gone.
 
  I would guess that there would be under 1% Linux penetration
 with respect to home computers and I've tried, in the past, to help
 students set up a dev environment on Macs - a horrid experience, and
 lets not even mention trying to easily set up Win* with a dev
 environemt
 
  I'm looking for a lightweight LiveCD that includes a graphical 
 environment and gcc/clang so that we can make it available on our 
 internal network for the students to download/burn and use at home.
 Does anyone have any ideas/experience in something like this? I've
 looked at Lubuntu but it lacks gcc.
 
  Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
 
  Andrew
 
 

You know, if you can be a bit flexible in the 'lightweight' department,
Gentoo has some really splendid full-featured live dvds. See the
release announcement[1] for the last official release (list of
included packages at [2]). More recent pre-release versions are
available at [3]. The livedvd team has an irc channel #gentoo-ten on
Freenode too.

If your requirements are more specific, you could leverage catalyst[4],
Gentoo's script for generating release media. It should be possible to
add or remove packages from the spec files used for the livedvd,
ostensibly available at [5]. You may wish to confer with #gentoo-releng
on Freenode for specific questions on catalyst usage.

1: http://www.gentoo.org/news/20121221-livedvd.xml
2: 
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pr/releases/20121221/livedvd-amd64-multilib-20121221.iso.PACKAGES.txt
3: http://releases.gentooligans.com/
4: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/catalyst/
5: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/releng.git;a=tree;f=releases/

-- 
eroen


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