Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
Another challenge is to make dependency resolution parallel
It's a challange but won't solve the problem: On fast processors
portage's speed is not so much a big issue. Moreover, the factor
you can obtain this way is in the (unrealistic) best case at
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote:
On fast processors
portage's speed is not so much a big issue.
What kind of processor have you got, and where can I get one?
-gmt
Greg Turner g...@malth.us wrote:
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Martin Vaeth mar...@mvath.de wrote:
On fast processors
portage's speed is not so much a big issue.
What kind of processor have you got, and where can I get one?
I run gentoo on i3 (double core), c2 (double core), athlon, and
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote:
If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis
is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete
there.
That makes no sense at
On 03/02/2014 16:04, Pandu Poluan wrote:
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk
mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote:
If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis
is worse, because dependency
On Feb 3, 2014 9:17 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/02/2014 16:04, Pandu Poluan wrote:
On Jan 28, 2014 5:57 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk
mailto:n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote:
If it's about performance
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
I was thinking: is it feasible, to precalculate the dependency tree?
I thought that's what the portage cache does, as far as it can.
Well, AFAIK, portage needs to kind of simulate everything going on in an
ebuild to get the list of
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 00:12:58 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote:
and to use this library via some python binding from portage. But I
suppose algorithm itself should be reviewed first.
^this is where the speedups will lie
4 minutes on this here i7 monster and 40 on your Atom is ridiculous
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:30:19 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote:
It comes from watching what happens at the end of running emerge, don't
read any more into it than that. Especially not optimism, I think you
might be projecting your own frustrations.
A couple of years ago I used to have to manually
On Friday 31 Jan 2014 19:03:05 Andrew Savchenko wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:30:19 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote:
It comes from watching what happens at the end of running emerge, don't
read any more into it than that. Especially not optimism, I think you
might be projecting your own
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:13:21 + Mick wrote:
On Friday 31 Jan 2014 19:03:05 Andrew Savchenko wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:30:19 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote:
[...]
I'm willing to give up 4 minutes while emerge runs so I don't have to
spend many more minutes right afterwards doing manually
On 31/01/2014 23:18, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
IMO the only way to improve this issue (without throwing good working
hardware in the window) is to rewrite dependency resolution code in
some highly optimized pure C library (probably with some asm code)
I very much doubt that will help.
There's
hasufell wrote:
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If we support disabling all useflags on package level (and we do),
then we support disabling all on global level as well. All
_unexpected_ breakage that occurs due to that are ebuild bugs that
have incorrect dependencies or missing REQUIRED_USE constraints.
Defaults are
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On 01/27/2014 02:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs
are interested in starting from scratch or
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Many defaults gentoo sets do not have anything to do with default
codepaths upstream has tested.
I disagree: The USE-enabling in ebuilds usually follows upstream.
IIRC there was even a policy for gentoo developers which strongly
suggested this.
As above,
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On 01/28/2014 06:45 PM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
Many defaults gentoo sets do not have anything to do with
default codepaths upstream has tested.
I disagree: The USE-enabling in ebuilds usually follows upstream.
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 12:44:19 -0800, ny6...@gmail.com wrote:
It doesn't hurt that the webspace is
filled with people like yourself who have hands on knowledge about how
to do stuff, and are willing to share it with others minus the 'tude'
you see elsewhere.
Now you really have insulted Alan
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:29:47 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are
interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would
be the most sane thing to do IMO).
please do. Please please pretty please.
Does
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On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 07:41:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote:
Starting with USE=-* on a server (which is a sane thing to do)
has become a lot more difficult as well.
No, starting with USE=-* is very
On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are
interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would
be the most sane thing to do IMO).
?
If the problem is really this potentially serious, why start
On 01/26/2014 08:55:35 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Again, I think I'm just lucky.
I don't think it's luck.
A portage system likes to be updated very often (best: each day).
I have made the experience that updating a machine which hasn't been
updated
for a long time (say one year), is just
On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are
interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would
be the most sane thing to do IMO).
?
If the problem is
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On 01/27/2014 02:06 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2014-01-26 1:04 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs
are interested in starting from scratch or
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:57:10 +0100, hasufell wrote:
If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis is
worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete there.
That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a different language
using different algorithms. It's
On 01/27/2014 10:48 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:57:10 +0100, hasufell wrote:
If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis
is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete
there.
That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a
Am 27.01.2014 13:06, schrieb Helmut Jarausch:
On 01/26/2014 08:55:35 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Again, I think I'm just lucky.
I don't think it's luck.
A portage system likes to be updated very often (best: each day).
I have made the experience that updating a machine which hasn't been
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote:
If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis
is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete
there.
That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a different
language using different
On 01/27/2014 11:57 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:54:28 +0100, hasufell wrote:
If it's about performance (in the sense of speed), then paludis
is worse, because dependency calculation is more complex/complete
there.
That makes no sense at all. Paludis is written in a
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 05:26:19PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 07:41:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote:
Starting with USE=-* on a server (which is a sane thing to do) has
become a lot more difficult as well.
No, starting with USE=-* is very dangerous. It is not recommended
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
No, starting with USE=-* is very dangerous.
That's nonsense imo
No, William is completely right.
and I use that setup on multiple servers/routers without any issues.
No one doubts that it is *possible* to
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:35:24 +0100, hasufell wrote:
But the efficiency of the algorithm, and the language, affects the
speed. You can't presume it does more, therefore it takes longer if
the two programs do things in very different ways.
For people who are used to portage, paludis will be
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
USE=-* ${USECPU} ${USEOTHER}
If you want to look at it that way, what I've
really done is to replace the default USE flag set with my own defaults
... *including* the defaults specified in individual ebuilds.
About the default flags in profiles one may
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27/01/2014 13:59, Tanstaafl wrote:
If the problem is really this potentially serious, why start from
scratch, when Paludis is already very mature? Is it pure politics
(someone just doesn't like Ciaran)?
No-one likes to admit it, but I think
On 01/28/2014 02:34 AM, Martin Vaeth wrote:
hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 01/27/2014 12:26 AM, William Hubbs wrote:
No, starting with USE=-* is very dangerous.
That's nonsense imo
No, William is completely right.
and I use that setup on multiple servers/routers without any
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 01:42:22AM +, Martin Vaeth wrote
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
USE=-* ${USECPU} ${USEOTHER}
If you want to look at it that way, what I've
really done is to replace the default USE flag set with my own defaults
... *including* the defaults
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
Is it just me?
No, I observe the same symptoms here.
-- Remy
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:35:43 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras
rea...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone else noticed this yet? Some portage update seems to have made
emerge -uDN @world perform about 10 times slower than before. It
used to take seconds, now it takes about 4 minutes only to tell me
that there's
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:09:49 -0800, Greg Turner g...@malth.us wrote:
It would help if there were some decent way to get some statistics
about where portage is spending all its time (especially, I suspect,
within the bash code, but the python level would also be interesting
to analyse). Anyone
On 26/01/2014 17:24, eroen wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:35:43 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras
rea...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone else noticed this yet? Some portage update seems to have made
emerge -uDN @world perform about 10 times slower than before. It
used to take seconds, now it takes about 4
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On 01/26/2014 06:42 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 26/01/2014 17:24, eroen wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:35:43 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras
rea...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone else noticed this yet? Some portage update seems to have
made emerge -uDN @world
On 26/01/2014 20:04, hasufell wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from.
It comes from watching what happens at the end of running emerge, don't
read any more into it than that. Especially not optimism, I think you
might be projecting your own frustrations.
A couple of years ago I
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On 01/26/2014 07:30 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 26/01/2014 20:04, hasufell wrote:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from.
It comes from watching what happens at the end of running emerge,
don't read any more into it than that. Especially
On 26/01/2014 20:41, hasufell wrote:
My pessimism comes from the fact that I wasn't able to communicate to
any1 in real life that gentoo and especially portage have a positive
usability score. Especially to those who have tried it once. As
someone who knows the internals and doesn't read
Am 26.01.2014 18:42, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
On 26/01/2014 17:24, eroen wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:35:43 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras
rea...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone else noticed this yet? Some portage update seems to have made
emerge -uDN @world perform about 10 times slower than before. It
Am 26.01.2014 19:04, schrieb hasufell:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are
interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would
be the most sane thing to do IMO).
please do. Please please pretty please.
On 26/01/2014 21:29, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.01.2014 19:04, schrieb hasufell:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are
interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would
be the most sane thing to do IMO).
please do. Please please pretty
On 26/01/2014 21:28, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
So I dunno, it's annoying to have to wait, but it also prevents a lot of
wasted time by doing what software can do so well - detecting dependency
issues.
I disagree with you here. You still get a lot of unresolved blockers and
other
Am 26.01.2014 20:45, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
On 26/01/2014 21:29, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 26.01.2014 19:04, schrieb hasufell:
So, not sure where your optimism comes from. But... some devs are
interested in starting from scratch or picking up pkgcore (which would
be the most sane thing
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 09:22:08PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I agree with some points and not so much on others.
Gentoo has always targeted itself at a select bunch of users - those
with large amounts of clue who have tried and failed to get binary
distros to do what they want but can't
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 07:41:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote:
Starting with USE=-* on a server (which is a sane thing to do) has
become a lot more difficult as well.
No, starting with USE=-* is very dangerous. It is not recommended nor
supported, in any setup, by the dev community. If you do it,
Am Montag, 27. Januar 2014, 00:26:19 schrieb William Hubbs:
No, starting with USE=-* is very dangerous. It is not recommended nor
supported, in any setup, by the dev community. If you do it, you are
solely responsible for your system and you get to keep the broken pieces
when things do not
PS.
+1 +1 +1
PLEASE do NOT start with USE=-*
You end up having to pick up the pieces on your own.
If you want to have a sane but minimal set of useflags to start with, the
recommendation is to use the main profile, e.g. for amd64
default/linux/amd64/13.0
The desktop profiles as e.g.
On 26/01/2014 22:44, ny6...@gmail.com wrote:
Just my $.02:
I don't fit into the category of those who 'need' Gentoo. I simply find it
the most coherent distro out there.
Ah, but you *are* one of those who need Gentoo. It floats your boat, it
satisfies your need to tinker and know what's
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