[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-31 Thread James
Nikos Chantziaras realnc at arcor.de writes: Then something is wrong with your box or it isn't powerful enough. It isn't. Works perfectly in mine. Same here (at home.) Nikos, I had a problem with a dual (amd) machine once. I dropped MAKEOPTS=-j3 to -j1 for a while and the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-30 Thread Man Shankar
On 20:31 Sat 27 Dec , Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Another reason I didn't put Gentoo on the server is because everyone would start spamming the forums about lag when I emerge -u world while they're getting frags in Counter-Strike :P set PORTAGE_NICENESS=19 in /etc/make.conf I'll just hay

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Dale
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:13:50AM -0500, Chris Thomas wrote: I have a Dell laser mouse. lsusb: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 413c:3010 Dell Computer Corp. Optical Wheel Mouse I'm pretty sure it isn't software related. Did you tried various mouse pads or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Norberto Bensa
Quoting Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: It got worse with kernel 2.6.28, btw, especially mouse cursor movement. It gets stuck and skips very noticeably. Fortunately, it's not a point yet where I would describe it as unusable, but if the trend continues, desktop will be totally unusable by

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Dale
Norberto Bensa wrote: Quoting Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: It got worse with kernel 2.6.28, btw, especially mouse cursor movement. It gets stuck and skips very noticeably. Fortunately, it's not a point yet where I would describe it as unusable, but if the trend continues, desktop

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Dale
Norberto Bensa wrote: Quoting Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: It is software on mine. I can boot the new kernels and it is jumpy as crap. It is really slow to respond and when it does, it just jerks all over the place and is difficult to click on links and buttons. I can reboot with the old

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Norberto Bensa
Quoting Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com: It is software on mine. I can boot the new kernels and it is jumpy as crap. It is really slow to respond and when it does, it just jerks all over the place and is difficult to click on links and buttons. I can reboot with the old kernel and it works fine,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Mick
On Monday 29 December 2008, Dale wrote: Norberto Bensa wrote: Do you use evdev? This is what I have installed according to equery: r...@smoker / # equery list dev [ Searching for package 'dev' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ~] kde-base/kdewebdev-meta-3.5.10

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Monday 29 December 2008, Dale wrote: Norberto Bensa wrote: Do you use evdev? This is what I have installed according to equery: r...@smoker / # equery list dev [ Searching for package 'dev' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: [...] I would assume I don't have evdev here. Since I asked equery for anything with dev in it, it should have listed it if it was installed. That is why I ask if there was something new. I can't say that I have ever heard of evdev before. For X, it's the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: [...] I would assume I don't have evdev here. Since I asked equery for anything with dev in it, it should have listed it if it was installed. That is why I ask if there was something new. I can't say that I have ever heard of evdev before. For X,

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: [...] I would assume I don't have evdev here. Since I asked equery for anything with dev in it, it should have listed it if it was installed. That is why I ask if there was something new. I can't say that I have ever heard of evdev before.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: [...] I would assume I don't have evdev here. Since I asked equery for anything with dev in it, it should have listed it if it was installed. That is why I ask if there was something new. I can't say that I have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 29 December 2008 15:32:45 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: [...] I would assume I don't have evdev here. Since I asked equery for anything with dev in it, it should have listed it if it was installed. That is why I ask if there was

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 29 December 2008 15:32:45 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: [...] I would assume I don't have evdev here. Since I asked equery for anything with dev in it,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 29 December 2008 16:02:45 Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 29 December 2008 15:32:45 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: [...] I would assume I don't have

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 29 December 2008 16:02:45 Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 29 December 2008 15:32:45 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:57 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The cynic in me wants to say that Colin Kolivas tried telling the kernel devs for years about it and got stone-walled and ignored for years, despite maintaining a set of desktop patches that worked really well.

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Norberto Bensa wrote: Quoting Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: It got worse with kernel 2.6.28, btw, especially mouse cursor movement. It gets stuck and skips very noticeably. Fortunately, it's not a point yet where I would describe it as unusable, but if the trend continues, desktop will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Norberto Bensa
On Monday December 29 2008 11:24:40 Dale wrote: Dale wrote: [...] I can't say that I have ever heard of evdev before. [...] Is this required for the new kernels? Nope. I just wanted you to test other device drivers.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread Norberto Bensa
On Monday December 29 2008 19:38:48 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Norberto Bensa wrote: I'm currently compiling gcc-4.3.2-r2, I have no cursor lagging, stuck, or whatever. Everything is normal. Like if I were not compiling at all. I've just emerged glibc (with -j2). I use -j5 (yeah, I know, I'm

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-29 Thread James
Nikos Chantziaras realnc at arcor.de writes: set PORTAGE_NICENESS=19 in /etc/make.conf I'll just hay ah, ah, ah at that one :P OK, I'll also say that it doesn't work. Everything lags even with 19. OK then 'renice' the game and other critical software to somewhere between -1 and -5.

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 27 December 2008 21:13:49 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I have this in my make.conf: PORTAGE_IONICE_COMMAND=ionice -c 3 -p \${PID} Helped a bit. But still the GUI (KDE 3.5.10) gets pretty laggy. Just a few hours ago I updated to gcc-4.3.2-r1. Even with nice

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 27 December 2008, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Another reason I didn't put Gentoo on the server is because everyone would start spamming the forums about lag when I emerge -u world while they're getting frags

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 27 December 2008 21:13:49 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I have this in my make.conf: PORTAGE_IONICE_COMMAND=ionice -c 3 -p \${PID} Helped a bit. But still the GUI (KDE 3.5.10) gets pretty laggy. Just a few hours ago I updated to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 28 December 2008 22:52:08 Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It got worse with kernel 2.6.28, btw, especially mouse cursor movement. It gets stuck and skips very noticeably. Fortunately, it's not a point yet where I would describe it as unusable, but if the trend continues,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 28 December 2008 22:52:08 Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It got worse with kernel 2.6.28, btw, especially mouse cursor movement. It gets stuck and skips very noticeably. Fortunately, it's not a point yet where I would describe it as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 28 December 2008 22:52:08 Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It got worse with kernel 2.6.28, btw, especially mouse cursor movement. It gets stuck and skips very noticeably. Fortunately, it's not a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Monday 29 December 2008 01:06:59 Dale wrote: I'm not that much of a cynic though. Instead I'll recommend you find a set of desktop patches that work well and roll a kernel from those. The kernel devs are mostly paid by organizations that have a vested interest in having Linux work

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Monday 29 December 2008 01:06:59 Dale wrote: I'm not that much of a cynic though. Instead I'll recommend you find a set of desktop patches that work well and roll a kernel from those. The kernel devs are mostly paid by organizations that have a vested interest in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread David Relson
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:57:13 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: ...[snip]... This is opensource, where you get to bash the code into any shape you need to get it to suit your needs :-) I myself don't need desktop patches (yet), but if I did, I would probably first look at the patches the Ubuntu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Chris Thomas
I'm having the same exact problem with my mouse. I'm on AMD64 and my cursor often jumps to a corner. Is there a fix? -Chris On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 28

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 28 December 2008 22:52:08 Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It got worse with kernel 2.6.28, btw, especially mouse cursor

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:49:37PM -0500, Chris Thomas wrote: I'm having the same exact problem with my mouse. I'm on AMD64 and my cursor often jumps to a corner. Is there a fix? It really is a common behaviour with optical mouses. What kind of mouse do you use ? PS : top-posting sucks.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Chris Thomas
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nicolas.s-...@laposte.net wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:49:37PM -0500, Chris Thomas wrote: I'm having the same exact problem with my mouse. I'm on AMD64 and my cursor often jumps to a corner. Is there a fix? It really is a common

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-28 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:13:50AM -0500, Chris Thomas wrote: I have a Dell laser mouse. lsusb: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 413c:3010 Dell Computer Corp. Optical Wheel Mouse I'm pretty sure it isn't software related. Did you tried various mouse pads or materials ? -- Nicolas Sebrecht

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread James
Dale rdalek1967 at gmail.com writes: Watch him slowly convert them over to Gentoo. o_O Then he'll be back and asking who has a server like theirs. lol Thats a FACT! Many workstation users never discover the joy of running gentoo based servers. They are really easy to maintain. If more

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
James wrote: Dale rdalek1967 at gmail.com writes: Watch him slowly convert them over to Gentoo. o_O Then he'll be back and asking who has a server like theirs. lol Thats a FACT! Many workstation users never discover the joy of running gentoo based servers. They are really easy to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Norberto Bensa
On Saturday December 27 2008 15:14:26 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I run Debian on my server because it's set and forget. With Gentoo at home, I have to take good care of it to keep it going. Why? Does Gentoo forget how to do something? Why can't you just set and forget your Gentoo boxes?

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Norberto Bensa wrote: On Saturday December 27 2008 15:14:26 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I run Debian on my server because it's set and forget. With Gentoo at home, I have to take good care of it to keep it going. Why? Does Gentoo forget how to do something? Why can't you just set and forget

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Mick
On Saturday 27 December 2008, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Norberto Bensa wrote: Why? Does Gentoo forget how to do something? Why can't you just set and forget your Gentoo boxes? Gentoo is difficult to install. Well, it's not really difficult - but it takes awfully longer than running a

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Mick wrote: On Saturday 27 December 2008, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Norberto Bensa wrote: Why? Does Gentoo forget how to do something? Why can't you just set and forget your Gentoo boxes? Gentoo is difficult to install. Well, it's not really difficult - but it takes awfully longer than

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Dale
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On my Gentoo at home, yes. The mouse cursor skips, scrolling gets skippy/laggy too. I have a dual core e6...@3.33ghz with 4GB DDR2 RAM. I have to use version 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 for my kernel or it does the same thing. Someone mentioned that it is a setting in the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Norberto Bensa
Quoting Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: Why? Does Gentoo forget how to do something? Why can't you just set and forget your Gentoo boxes? Gentoo is difficult to install. For who? And BTW, that doesn't answer the question. Also, if it's left un-updated for longer periods of time, it

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On my Gentoo at home, yes. The mouse cursor skips, scrolling gets skippy/laggy too. I have a dual core e6...@3.33ghz with 4GB DDR2 RAM. I have to use version 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 for my kernel or it does the same thing. Someone mentioned that it is a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Norberto Bensa
Quoting Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: On my Gentoo at home, yes. The mouse cursor skips, scrolling gets skippy/laggy too. I have a dual core e6...@3.33ghz with 4GB DDR2 RAM. Just like me, but I have it set to default clock: 2.4GHz. Beyond that, it gets somewhat funny :-/ Are you

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Norberto Bensa wrote: Quoting Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: Why? Does Gentoo forget how to do something? Why can't you just set and forget your Gentoo boxes? Gentoo is difficult to install. For who? And BTW, that doesn't answer the question. Huh? I answered it right next in the

[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Norberto Bensa wrote: Quoting Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de: On my Gentoo at home, yes. The mouse cursor skips, scrolling gets skippy/laggy too. I have a dual core e6...@3.33ghz with 4GB DDR2 RAM. Just like me, but I have it set to default clock: 2.4GHz. Beyond that, it gets somewhat

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: set PORTAGE_NICENESS=19 in /etc/make.conf I'll just hay ah, ah, ah at that one :P OK, I'll also say that it doesn't work. Everything lags even with 19. Is that measurable? On my Gentoo at home, yes. The mouse

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Roy Wright
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Gentoo is difficult to install. Also, if it's left un-updated for longer periods of time, it tends to break on the next update. I guess that's the downside of being versionless. Debian on the other hand, due to it being versioned, doesn't have that problem. When I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Richard Cox
From: Richard Cox conard...@gmail.com To: Roy Wright r...@wright.org Date: Today 01:08:51 Gentoo is difficult to install. A highly subjective statement to be sure.  Many thousands have successfully installed it...depends on your definition of 'difficult' I suppose. Also, if it's left

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now

2008-12-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 27 December 2008 21:13:49 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On my Gentoo at home, yes. The mouse cursor skips, scrolling gets skippy/laggy too. I have a dual core e6...@3.33ghz with 4GB DDR2 RAM. I have to use version 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 for my