Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 17:17:29 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: $ sudo emerge -lp portage These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] sys-apps/portage-2.2.20.1 What am I doing wrong? I guess because it's a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-30 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 6:13:30 PM Dale wrote: Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Saturday, August 29, 2015 10:48:16 AM Dale wrote: Todd Goodman wrote: * Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net [150828 18:35]: 150828 Rich Freeman wrote: To really appreciate git you should understand git objects

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Mick
On Saturday 29 Aug 2015 04:32:48 Dale wrote: walt wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:29:20 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat through a one hour talk that focused mostly on the data model. Once you understand the data

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 10:48:16 AM Dale wrote: Todd Goodman wrote: * Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net [150828 18:35]: 150828 Rich Freeman wrote: To really appreciate git you should understand git objects and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are. Also, the whole

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Dale
Todd Goodman wrote: * Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net [150828 18:35]: 150828 Rich Freeman wrote: To really appreciate git you should understand git objects and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are. Also, the whole copy-on-write concept and content-hashing concept. I used to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Todd Goodman
* Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net [150828 18:35]: 150828 Rich Freeman wrote: To really appreciate git you should understand git objects and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are. Also, the whole copy-on-write concept and content-hashing concept. I used to think git looked

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Todd Goodman
* Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [150829 11:49]: Todd Goodman wrote: * Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net [150828 18:35]: 150828 Rich Freeman wrote: To really appreciate git you should understand git objects and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are. Also, the whole copy-on-write

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:53:10 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:35:35 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: So basicly the only change is that instead of: # less ChangeLog (or whatever you use to read logs) You'll do: # git log . Or if emerge is updated to use

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 5:10:15 PM Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Saturday, August 29, 2015 9:53:10 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:35:35 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: So basicly the only change is that instead of: # less ChangeLog (or whatever you use to read

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:35:35 -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: So basicly the only change is that instead of: # less ChangeLog (or whatever you use to read logs) You'll do: # git log . Or if emerge is updated to use git too, instead of emerge -l you'll use emerge -l ;-) -- Neil

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: It's probably easier to do this: # cd /usr/portage # rm -r * # git clone repo-uri . The only issue with this is that all the files end up being owned by root. I'd just create /usr/portage, chown

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 2:19:23 PM Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: It's probably easier to do this: # cd /usr/portage # rm -r * # git clone repo-uri . The only issue with this is that all the files

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Dale
Todd Goodman wrote: * Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com [150829 11:49]: Todd Goodman wrote: * Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net [150828 18:35]: 150828 Rich Freeman wrote: To really appreciate git you should understand git objects and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are. Also, the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-29 Thread Dale
Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Saturday, August 29, 2015 10:48:16 AM Dale wrote: Todd Goodman wrote: * Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net [150828 18:35]: 150828 Rich Freeman wrote: To really appreciate git you should understand git objects and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are.

[gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread James
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:19 AM, walt w41ter at gmail.com wrote: Note that /usr/portage/sys-libs/ncurses/Changelog was last updated on April 6, several months ago. Rhetorical question: what is the purpose of a Changelog? Gentoo is no

[gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread James
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wireless at tampabay.rr.com wrote: It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s) without extra keystrokes? Either wait for somebody to provide the old-style changelogs (some

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s) without extra keystrokes? Either wait for somebody to provide the old-style changelogs (some consider this critical, some consider this pointless -

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Rich. On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:53:00AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s) without extra keystrokes? [ ] While I do believe the ChangeLogs

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Dale
walt wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:29:20 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat through a one hour talk that focused mostly on the data model. Once you understand the data model, you understand everything. That doesn't take a

[gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread James
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558800 No big deal now that we can see all the recent changes to ncurses. Me; I'm just going to wait until Monday, to sync and update. The problem was that EAPI5 (which is only a year old or so) interacts

[gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread James
walt w41ter at gmail.com writes: I avoided yesterday's downgrade from ncurses-6.0 to ncurses-5.9-r4 because it was obviously(?) a mistake. I believe you. But here's what I just experienced:: I syncd a few hours ago. Now when I just went to upgrade I got this gyration of the latest ncurses

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread covici
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:24 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: It there an easy, automated way to have this inforation on my system(s) without extra keystrokes? Either wait for somebody to provide the old-style changelogs (some consider

[gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread James
Emanuele Rusconi emarsk at gmail.com writes: As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user - I only need to know 3 commands: When I experimented with managing my config files with git I did a lot of reading (I was new to VCS in general), and in the end I realized that, although git is really

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Emanuele Rusconi
James, maybe you skimmed over the premise As a user - not specifically a Gentoo user? Should I explain its implications? I was specifically addressing the complaint that you need to be a git guru just to access the changelogs. You don't. As Rich Freeman already pointed out, it's really trivial,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I agree with this. But since the Changlog data was a fundamental part of Gentoo, for a very long time, and the devs wisely chose to upgrade to git, I would think that this functionality would be provided via git, at least

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:22 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Surely I can mask off these updates and stay with :: sys-libs/ncurses- 5.9-r4 For a while, till things settle a bit? Weird. I mask off a version and a newer, later version appears. wtf? In your long post you didn't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Rich. On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 01:41:05PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: I disagree completely. A little time spent on git is time wasted. Only a lot of time spent on git is useful. I disagree with this. git is to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 06:45:47PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: There are all sorts of stupidities in it - like `push' and `pull' not being opposites That's fair. `clone' not producing a clone, but a new repository radically different from the original. That is not true. It is a clone, just

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Philip Webb
150828 Rich Freeman wrote: To really appreciate git you should understand git objects and their references, what a commit, tree, and blob are. Also, the whole copy-on-write concept and content-hashing concept. I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat through a 1 hr talk that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: I disagree completely. A little time spent on git is time wasted. Only a lot of time spent on git is useful. I disagree with this. git is to VCSs as assembler is to programming languages. To use either effectively,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 06:45:47PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: I don't want to have to understand the design. I just want to be a user. I've got enough things competing for limited mental capacity as it is.

[gentoo-user] Re: ncurses: reductio ad absurdum

2015-08-28 Thread walt
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:29:20 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I used to think git looked really complicated until I sat through a one hour talk that focused mostly on the data model. Once you understand the data model, you understand everything. That doesn't take a lot of time.