Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Walter Dnes]

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 04:44:27PM +, Mick wrote

 emerge -uatDv world brought up the original:
 
 Calculating dependencies... done!
 [nomerge   ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.7-r5  USE=dbus gstreamer
 gtk ncurses nls spell xscreensaver (-aqua) -debug -doc -eds
 -gadu -gnutls -groupwise -idn - meanwhile -mxit -networkmanager
 -perl -prediction -python -sasl -silc -tcl -tk -zephyr -zeroconf
 PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7
 [nomerge   ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf-0.10.31:0.10 
 [ebuild U  ]   gnome-base/gconf-3.2.6-r1:2 [2.32.4-r1:2] 
 USE=introspection ldap policykit -debug -gtk -orbit% 
 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7%* -python2_6% 0 kB
 
 unless I add media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf and gnome-base/gconf in 
 package.mask

  Out of sheer curiousity, what needs gnome-base/gconf?  To find out...

equery d gnome-base/gconf

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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Tom Wijsman]

On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:52:57 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:

 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 04:44:27PM +, Mick wrote
 
  [nomerge   ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.7-r5
  [nomerge   ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf-0.10.31:0.10 
  [ebuild U  ]   gnome-base/gconf-3.2.6-r1:2 [2.32.4-r1:2] 
 
 Out of sheer curiousity, what needs gnome-base/gconf?

The output tells you; pidgin needs gst-plugins-gconf, which needs gconf.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Peter Humphrey]

On Friday 13 Dec 2013 07:04:23 Mick wrote:

 I rebuilt kde-utils meta with USE=-cups to find out that umpteen packages
 want to be depcleaned:

---8

 I may leave this until I have more time to look into it.

For comparison, here's the list of packages that would be pulled in if I were 
to rebuild kdeutils-meta with cups:

gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4
dev-python/pycurl-7.19.0-r3
x11-libs/xpyb-1.3.1-r2
dev-python/pycairo-1.10.0-r4
dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3
app-text/xmlto-0.0.24-r1
dev-python/dbus-python-1.2.0
dev-python/pycups-1.9.63
app-admin/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3
app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3
kde-base/print-manager-4.11.2
kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.2

No mention of strigi-analyzer or gtk+. Strigi-analyzer isn't installed here 
because nothing depends on it. As for gtk+ :

$ equery d =x11-libs/gtk+-3.8.7
 * These packages depend on x11-libs/gtk+-3.8.7:
app-admin/gkrellm-2.3.5-r2 (X ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
app-admin/hardinfo-0.5.2_pre20130823 (x11-libs/gtk+:2)
app-crypt/pinentry-0.8.2 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
app-editors/bluefish-2.2.2 (x11-libs/gtk+:3)
app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3 (gtk ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.24:2)
   (gtk3 ? =x11-libs/gtk+-3.2:3)
   (telepathy ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.24:2)
app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.05-r1 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
dev-db/libiodbc-3.52.7 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
dev-java/icedtea-bin-6.1.12.7 (X ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.24:2)
dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.5-r1 (gtkstyle ? x11-libs/gtk+:2[aqua=])
gnome-base/librsvg-2.39.0 (gtk ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.16:2)
  (tools ? =x11-libs/gtk+-3:3)
gnome-extra/gucharmap-3.8.2 (=x11-libs/gtk+-3.4.0:3[introspection?])
media-gfx/gimp-2.8.6 (=x11-libs/gtk+-2.24.10:2)
media-sound/alsaplayer-0.99.81 (gtk ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.10:2)
media-video/mjpegtools-2.1.0 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
sci-misc/boinc-7.2.0 (X ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
sys-apps/lshw-02.16b-r2 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
www-client/chromium-31.0.1650.63 (x11-libs/gtk+:2)
www-client/firefox-24.2.0 (=x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.6:2)
www-client/opera-12.16_p1860 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
www-client/seamonkey-2.22.1 (=x11-libs/gtk+-2.14:2)
(=x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.6:2)
www-plugins/adobe-flash-11.2.202.327 (x11-libs/gtk+:2)
x11-libs/gtk+-3.8.7 (=x11-libs/gtk+-2.24:2)
x11-libs/libnotify-0.7.5-r1 (test ? x11-libs/gtk+:3)
x11-libs/wxGTK-2.8.12.1 (X ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
(aqua ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.4[aqua=])

Don't ask me why equery is ignoring the version specifier in the command line. 
As far as I can see, the only packages that should be in that list are librsvg 
and libnotify, both of which only require gtk+:3 if the test USE flag is set, 
which it isn't here. Oh, and bluefish, which seems to need gtk+:3 for its 
printing, which I don't use; and libreoffice, which only pulls it in if you've 
asked for it specifically by setting the gtk3 USE flag.

So it seems to me that you're safe. You could always run revdep-rebuild after 
letting all those packages be stripped out, just to make sure.

HTH.

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Mick]

On Friday 13 Dec 2013 10:49:24 Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Friday 13 Dec 2013 07:04:23 Mick wrote:
  I rebuilt kde-utils meta with USE=-cups to find out that umpteen
  packages
 
  want to be depcleaned:
 ---8
 
  I may leave this until I have more time to look into it.
 
 For comparison, here's the list of packages that would be pulled in if I
 were to rebuild kdeutils-meta with cups:
 
 gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4
 dev-python/pycurl-7.19.0-r3
 x11-libs/xpyb-1.3.1-r2
 dev-python/pycairo-1.10.0-r4
 dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3
 app-text/xmlto-0.0.24-r1
 dev-python/dbus-python-1.2.0
 dev-python/pycups-1.9.63
 app-admin/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3
 app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3
 kde-base/print-manager-4.11.2
 kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.2
 
 No mention of strigi-analyzer or gtk+. Strigi-analyzer isn't installed here
 because nothing depends on it. As for gtk+ :
 
 $ equery d =x11-libs/gtk+-3.8.7
  * These packages depend on x11-libs/gtk+-3.8.7:
 app-admin/gkrellm-2.3.5-r2 (X ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 app-admin/hardinfo-0.5.2_pre20130823 (x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 app-crypt/pinentry-0.8.2 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 app-editors/bluefish-2.2.2 (x11-libs/gtk+:3)
 app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3 (gtk ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.24:2)
(gtk3 ? =x11-libs/gtk+-3.2:3)
(telepathy ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.24:2)
 app-text/ghostscript-gpl-9.05-r1 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 dev-db/libiodbc-3.52.7 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 dev-java/icedtea-bin-6.1.12.7 (X ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.24:2)
 dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.5-r1 (gtkstyle ? x11-libs/gtk+:2[aqua=])
 gnome-base/librsvg-2.39.0 (gtk ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.16:2)
   (tools ? =x11-libs/gtk+-3:3)
 gnome-extra/gucharmap-3.8.2 (=x11-libs/gtk+-3.4.0:3[introspection?])
 media-gfx/gimp-2.8.6 (=x11-libs/gtk+-2.24.10:2)
 media-sound/alsaplayer-0.99.81 (gtk ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.10:2)
 media-video/mjpegtools-2.1.0 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 sci-misc/boinc-7.2.0 (X ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 sys-apps/lshw-02.16b-r2 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 www-client/chromium-31.0.1650.63 (x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 www-client/firefox-24.2.0 (=x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.6:2)
 www-client/opera-12.16_p1860 (gtk ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 www-client/seamonkey-2.22.1 (=x11-libs/gtk+-2.14:2)
 (=x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.6:2)
 www-plugins/adobe-flash-11.2.202.327 (x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 x11-libs/gtk+-3.8.7 (=x11-libs/gtk+-2.24:2)
 x11-libs/libnotify-0.7.5-r1 (test ? x11-libs/gtk+:3)
 x11-libs/wxGTK-2.8.12.1 (X ? x11-libs/gtk+:2)
 (aqua ? =x11-libs/gtk+-2.4[aqua=])
 
 Don't ask me why equery is ignoring the version specifier in the command
 line. As far as I can see, the only packages that should be in that list
 are librsvg and libnotify, both of which only require gtk+:3 if the test
 USE flag is set, which it isn't here. Oh, and bluefish, which seems to
 need gtk+:3 for its printing, which I don't use; and libreoffice, which
 only pulls it in if you've asked for it specifically by setting the gtk3
 USE flag.
 
 So it seems to me that you're safe. You could always run revdep-rebuild
 after letting all those packages be stripped out, just to make sure.
 
 HTH.

Thank you both.  Nothing depended on strigi-analyzer so I got rid of it, along 
with the rest of the list. @preserve-rebuild and revdep-rebuild were quiet.

emerge -uatDv world brought up the original:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[nomerge   ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.7-r5  USE=dbus gstreamer gtk ncurses nls 
spell xscreensaver (-aqua) -debug -doc -eds -gadu -gnutls -groupwise -idn -
meanwhile -mxit -networkmanager -perl -prediction -python -sasl -silc -tcl -tk 
-zephyr -zeroconf PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 
[nomerge   ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf-0.10.31:0.10 
[ebuild U  ]   gnome-base/gconf-3.2.6-r1:2 [2.32.4-r1:2] 
USE=introspection ldap policykit -debug -gtk -orbit% 
PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7%* -python2_6% 0 kB

unless I add media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf and gnome-base/gconf in 
package.mask


I tried printing from kmail to a pdf file (not near a printer yet), and it 
worked fine with Kmail offering the familiar KDE print manager GUI.  There is 
no print manager settings menu option in KDE settings; well I use E17 as a DE 
so without booting into the KDE desktop I don't know what may be available 
there that is not visible from within E17.

There is a CUPS Manage Printing menu entry though, which fires up a browser 
with locahost:631 in the address bar.  :-)
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 21:04:00 Mick wrote:

 Let me get this right, if I set 'kde-base/kdeutils-meta -cups' I will still
 be able to print from kde applications?

Here, the K menu item Manage Printing opens a CUPS web page, specifically 
localhost:631. It's a bog-standard CUPS interface, with no need of KDE 
complications. There's no printer entry in system settings. I often print a 
spreadsheet from LibreOffice without problems.

So yes, other things being equal, you will. In any case, why not try it and 
see? You can revert easily enough if you hit a problem.

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Mick]

On Thursday 12 Dec 2013 10:01:20 Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 21:04:00 Mick wrote:
  Let me get this right, if I set 'kde-base/kdeutils-meta -cups' I will
  still be able to print from kde applications?
 
 Here, the K menu item Manage Printing opens a CUPS web page, specifically
 localhost:631. It's a bog-standard CUPS interface, with no need of KDE
 complications. There's no printer entry in system settings. I often print a
 spreadsheet from LibreOffice without problems.
 
 So yes, other things being equal, you will. In any case, why not try it and
 see? You can revert easily enough if you hit a problem.

Thank you Alan and Peter for your advice, 

I rebuilt kde-utils meta with USE=-cups to find out that umpteen packages 
want to be depcleaned:

==
 These are the packages that would be unmerged:

 kde-base/print-manager
selected: 4.11.2 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

 kde-base/kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer
selected: 4.10.5 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

 app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome
selected: 1.4.3 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

 x11-libs/gtk+
selected: 3.8.7 
   protected: none 
 omitted: 2.24.22 

 app-text/xmlto
selected: 0.0.24-r1 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

 app-admin/system-config-printer-common
selected: 1.4.3 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

 dev-python/pycurl
selected: 7.19.0-r3 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

 app-accessibility/at-spi2-atk
selected: 2.8.1 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

 dev-python/pycups
selected: 1.9.63 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

 dev-python/pygobject
selected: 3.8.3 
   protected: none 
 omitted: 2.28.6-r55 

 gnome-base/gnome-common
selected: 3.7.4 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

 app-accessibility/at-spi2-core
selected: 2.8.0 
   protected: none 
 omitted: none 

All selected packages: app-text/xmlto-0.0.24-r1 app-admin/system-config-
printer-gnome-1.4.3 dev-python/pycurl-7.19.0-r3 gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 
kde-base/print-manager-4.11.2 app-accessibility/at-spi2-atk-2.8.1 dev-
python/pygobject-3.8.3 app-admin/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3 dev-
python/pycups-1.9.63 app-accessibility/at-spi2-core-2.8.0 x11-libs/gtk+-3.8.7 
kde-base/kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer-4.10.5

 'Selected' packages are slated for removal.
 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed.

Would you like to unmerge these packages? [Yes/No] 
==

I may leave this until I have more time to look into it.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Alan McKinnon]

On 13/12/2013 09:04, Mick wrote:
 On Thursday 12 Dec 2013 10:01:20 Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 21:04:00 Mick wrote:
 Let me get this right, if I set 'kde-base/kdeutils-meta -cups' I will
 still be able to print from kde applications?

 Here, the K menu item Manage Printing opens a CUPS web page, specifically
 localhost:631. It's a bog-standard CUPS interface, with no need of KDE
 complications. There's no printer entry in system settings. I often print a
 spreadsheet from LibreOffice without problems.

 So yes, other things being equal, you will. In any case, why not try it and
 see? You can revert easily enough if you hit a problem.
 
 Thank you Alan and Peter for your advice, 
 
 I rebuilt kde-utils meta with USE=-cups to find out that umpteen packages 
 want to be depcleaned:
 
 ==
 These are the packages that would be unmerged:
 
  kde-base/print-manager
 selected: 4.11.2 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
  kde-base/kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer
 selected: 4.10.5 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
  app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome
 selected: 1.4.3 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
  x11-libs/gtk+
 selected: 3.8.7 
protected: none 
  omitted: 2.24.22 
 
  app-text/xmlto
 selected: 0.0.24-r1 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
  app-admin/system-config-printer-common
 selected: 1.4.3 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
  dev-python/pycurl
 selected: 7.19.0-r3 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
  app-accessibility/at-spi2-atk
 selected: 2.8.1 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
  dev-python/pycups
 selected: 1.9.63 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
  dev-python/pygobject
 selected: 3.8.3 
protected: none 
  omitted: 2.28.6-r55 
 
  gnome-base/gnome-common
 selected: 3.7.4 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
  app-accessibility/at-spi2-core
 selected: 2.8.0 
protected: none 
  omitted: none 
 
 All selected packages: app-text/xmlto-0.0.24-r1 app-admin/system-config-
 printer-gnome-1.4.3 dev-python/pycurl-7.19.0-r3 gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 
 kde-base/print-manager-4.11.2 app-accessibility/at-spi2-atk-2.8.1 dev-
 python/pygobject-3.8.3 app-admin/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3 dev-
 python/pycups-1.9.63 app-accessibility/at-spi2-core-2.8.0 x11-libs/gtk+-3.8.7 
 kde-base/kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer-4.10.5
 
 'Selected' packages are slated for removal.
 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed.
 
 Would you like to unmerge these packages? [Yes/No] 
 ==
 
 I may leave this until I have more time to look into it.
 

I wouldn't worry about that, it all looks legit to me. KDE's print
manager uses the gnome print infrastructure nd seems to hook into cups'
web interface.

All those packages are related to that in some way, and most importantly
you have no other packages that use them.

Only two seem worth looking deeper into:

kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer: you only need this if you use KDE's desktop
search with strigi and nepomuk. It's a plugin to search picture files

gtk+: do you use gtk apps at all? If not, this is safe to remove. You
won't have wholesale breakage if you remove it and it actually is
needed, it can be merged back in quickly.

Everything else is helper libs and utility functions which come and go
depending on your deps anyway




-- 
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alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 10 Dec 2013 23:49:06 Mick wrote:

 I seem to have two packages from gnome:
 
 # emerge --depclean -v -a app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome
 
 Calculating dependencies... done!
   app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 pulled in by:
 kde-base/print-manager-4.10.5 requires app-admin/system-config-printer-
 gnome
 
 # emerge --depclean -v -a gnome-base/gnome-common
 
 Calculating dependencies... done!
   gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 pulled in by:
 dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3 requires gnome-base/gnome-common
 
 Not sure why they are being pulled in as dependencies ... ?

Further to what Alan said, I don't even have print-manager installed here. I 
checked what would be pulled in if I did install it and found 10 dependencies, 
including the two Alan mentioned. Did you install print-manager explicitly, or 
was it pulled in by something else? I have 8 kde-base/*-meta packages 
installed but none of them have pulled in print-manager.

Printing seems to work well enough here since I connected my printers to my 
workstation directly. My mini-server used to be a print server until a new 
version of CUPS was released a few months ago. I couldn't get it to share 
printers so I just moved them.

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Mick]

On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 10:58:19 Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Tuesday 10 Dec 2013 23:49:06 Mick wrote:
  I seem to have two packages from gnome:
  
  # emerge --depclean -v -a app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome
  
  Calculating dependencies... done!
  
app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 pulled in by:
  kde-base/print-manager-4.10.5 requires
  app-admin/system-config-printer-
  
  gnome
  
  # emerge --depclean -v -a gnome-base/gnome-common
  
  Calculating dependencies... done!
  
gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 pulled in by:
  dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3 requires gnome-base/gnome-common
  
  Not sure why they are being pulled in as dependencies ... ?
 
 Further to what Alan said, I don't even have print-manager installed here.
 I checked what would be pulled in if I did install it and found 10
 dependencies, including the two Alan mentioned. Did you install
 print-manager explicitly, or was it pulled in by something else? I have 8
 kde-base/*-meta packages installed but none of them have pulled in
 print-manager.
 
 Printing seems to work well enough here since I connected my printers to my
 workstation directly. My mini-server used to be a print server until a new
 version of CUPS was released a few months ago. I couldn't get it to share
 printers so I just moved them.

I have not to my knowledge installed a print-manager explicitly, so I assume 
it was pulled in by one of the kde metas.
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Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Alan McKinnon]

On 11/12/2013 18:29, Mick wrote:
 On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 10:58:19 Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Tuesday 10 Dec 2013 23:49:06 Mick wrote:
 I seem to have two packages from gnome:

 # emerge --depclean -v -a app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome

 Calculating dependencies... done!

   app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 pulled in by:
 kde-base/print-manager-4.10.5 requires
 app-admin/system-config-printer-

 gnome

 # emerge --depclean -v -a gnome-base/gnome-common

 Calculating dependencies... done!

   gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 pulled in by:
 dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3 requires gnome-base/gnome-common

 Not sure why they are being pulled in as dependencies ... ?

 Further to what Alan said, I don't even have print-manager installed here.
 I checked what would be pulled in if I did install it and found 10
 dependencies, including the two Alan mentioned. Did you install
 print-manager explicitly, or was it pulled in by something else? I have 8
 kde-base/*-meta packages installed but none of them have pulled in
 print-manager.

 Printing seems to work well enough here since I connected my printers to my
 workstation directly. My mini-server used to be a print server until a new
 version of CUPS was released a few months ago. I couldn't get it to share
 printers so I just moved them.
 
 I have not to my knowledge installed a print-manager explicitly, so I assume 
 it was pulled in by one of the kde metas.
 

$ equery depends print-manager
 * These packages depend on print-manager:
kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.4 (cups ?
=kde-base/print-manager-4.11.4:4[aqua=])


Set USE=-cups to fix



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 18:39:59 Alan McKinnon wrote:

 $ equery depends print-manager
  * These packages depend on print-manager:
 kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.4 (cups ?
 
 =kde-base/print-manager-4.11.4:4[aqua=])
 
 Set USE=-cups to fix

Confirmed. I didn't have kdeutils-meta installed. Installing it pulls in 10 
packages with USE=-cups, 21 without. I'm installing it now.

Of course I want other programs to be able to print, so I only set -cups 
against kdeutils-meta.

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Mick]

On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 16:52:49 Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 18:39:59 Alan McKinnon wrote:
  $ equery depends print-manager
  
   * These packages depend on print-manager:
  kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.4 (cups ?
  
  =kde-base/print-manager-4.11.4:4[aqua=])
  
  Set USE=-cups to fix
 
 Confirmed. I didn't have kdeutils-meta installed. Installing it pulls in 10
 packages with USE=-cups, 21 without. I'm installing it now.
 
 Of course I want other programs to be able to print, so I only set -cups
 against kdeutils-meta.

Let me get this right, if I set 'kde-base/kdeutils-meta -cups' I will still be 
able to print from kde applications?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Alan McKinnon]

On 11/12/2013 23:04, Mick wrote:
 On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 16:52:49 Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 18:39:59 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 $ equery depends print-manager

  * These packages depend on print-manager:
 kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.11.4 (cups ?

 =kde-base/print-manager-4.11.4:4[aqua=])

 Set USE=-cups to fix

 Confirmed. I didn't have kdeutils-meta installed. Installing it pulls in 10
 packages with USE=-cups, 21 without. I'm installing it now.

 Of course I want other programs to be able to print, so I only set -cups
 against kdeutils-meta.
 
 Let me get this right, if I set 'kde-base/kdeutils-meta -cups' I will still 
 be 
 able to print from kde applications?
 


I believe so. As far as I could ever tell, KDE's print manager was just
a configurator front end to CUPS, so you can configure CUPS directly
instead.

For many years, that's exactly what I did. The print manager was masked
for years as broken by design and at one point wasn't even installed
by default at all. So I got used to hitting port 631 on localhost in a
browser.

I can't see any reason why it still isn't like that

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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Walter Dnes]

On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 11:47:41AM +, Mick wrote
 On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 11:27:50 Tom Wijsman wrote:
  On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:03:00 +
  
  Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
   It used to be the case that setting -gnome globally would be
   sufficient, without having to manually mask packages.  I had
   gstreamer in pidgin to be able to get sound.  I'm guessing that I
   need gstreamer in pidgin to be able to set up a voice call in gtalk.
   
   Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to
   use gstreamer?
  
  Seems so, you'll need to check with upstream or with the code for more
  details; but it is just one small package though.
 
 Sure, today it is just gnome-base, tomorrow I could end up *having*
 to install systemd or whatever RHL and their developers have deemed
 appropriate for your average desktop system.  I've masked the two
 you suggested for now.

  The GNOME people have now made dbus a hard-coded dependancy of the
latest gtk+.  systemd can't be far behind.  I've had dbus masked since
it arrived approximately the same time as HAL.  Here's what I get when
trying to update gtk+



[i660][waltdnes][~] emerge -pv --backtrack=0 gtk+

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy =sys-apps/dbus-1 have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- sys-apps/dbus-1.6.18-r1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
- sys-apps/dbus-1.6.18::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
- sys-apps/dbus-1.6.16::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
- sys-apps/dbus-1.6.14::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword)
- sys-apps/dbus-1.6.12::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)

(dependency required by app-accessibility/at-spi2-atk-2.8.1 [ebuild])
(dependency required by x11-libs/gtk+-3.8.7[X] [ebuild])
(dependency required by gtk+ [argument])
For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.


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I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Mick]

On Tuesday 10 Dec 2013 15:25:32 Walter Dnes wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 11:47:41AM +, Mick wrote
 
  On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 11:27:50 Tom Wijsman wrote:
   On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:03:00 +
   
   Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
It used to be the case that setting -gnome globally would be
sufficient, without having to manually mask packages.  I had
gstreamer in pidgin to be able to get sound.  I'm guessing that I
need gstreamer in pidgin to be able to set up a voice call in gtalk.

Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to
use gstreamer?
   
   Seems so, you'll need to check with upstream or with the code for more
   details; but it is just one small package though.
  
  Sure, today it is just gnome-base, tomorrow I could end up *having*
  to install systemd or whatever RHL and their developers have deemed
  appropriate for your average desktop system.  I've masked the two
  you suggested for now.
 
   The GNOME people have now made dbus a hard-coded dependancy of the
 latest gtk+.  systemd can't be far behind.  I've had dbus masked since
 it arrived approximately the same time as HAL.  Here's what I get when
 trying to update gtk+

I always thought that dbus is useful on a desktop system that is used to run, 
errm ... applications, and it doesn't violate the *nix design philosophy.  As 
far as I understand it is only trying to be an IPC manager.  I seem to recall 
that Poettering and co tweaked something in libdbus, but my knowledge is quite 
limited on all things Gnome.

Gnome devs decided in late 2012 to *not* make systemd a hard coded dependency, 
but look where we are now.  Without systemd needed/desirable functionality for 
a Gnome desktop won't work.  So, let's say that I tend to be sceptical on what 
might be used next as the thin end of the wedge.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Mick]

On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 11:29:25 Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 11:03:00 Mick wrote:
  Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to use
  gstreamer?
 
 Not here, no. I have gstreamer but no gnome-base on this KDE box (not
 ~amd64). In fact, eix -I gnome returns only polkit-gnome. I see that's
 only there because I've inherited a gtk USE flag from the desktop profile.
 
 I've now set -gtk in make.conf and I'm reinstalling world (13 packages,
 including gcc and libre-office) to check that I really don't need gtk. Even
 gimp doesn't need gtk!

Interesting!  I seem to have two packages from gnome:

# emerge --depclean -v -a app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome 

Calculating dependencies... done!
  app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 pulled in by:
kde-base/print-manager-4.10.5 requires app-admin/system-config-printer-
gnome

# emerge --depclean -v -a gnome-base/gnome-common

Calculating dependencies... done!
  gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 pulled in by:
dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3 requires gnome-base/gnome-common

Not sure why they are being pulled in as dependencies ... ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Alan McKinnon]

On 11/12/2013 01:49, Mick wrote:
 On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 11:29:25 Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 11:03:00 Mick wrote:
 Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to use
 gstreamer?

 Not here, no. I have gstreamer but no gnome-base on this KDE box (not
 ~amd64). In fact, eix -I gnome returns only polkit-gnome. I see that's
 only there because I've inherited a gtk USE flag from the desktop profile.

 I've now set -gtk in make.conf and I'm reinstalling world (13 packages,
 including gcc and libre-office) to check that I really don't need gtk. Even
 gimp doesn't need gtk!
 
 Interesting!  I seem to have two packages from gnome:
 
 # emerge --depclean -v -a app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome 
 
 Calculating dependencies... done!
   app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 pulled in by:
 kde-base/print-manager-4.10.5 requires app-admin/system-config-printer-
 gnome
 
 # emerge --depclean -v -a gnome-base/gnome-common
 
 Calculating dependencies... done!
   gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4 pulled in by:
 dev-python/pygobject-3.8.3 requires gnome-base/gnome-common
 
 Not sure why they are being pulled in as dependencies ... ?
 

The KDE print manager has a long history of being broken beyond belief.

From watching what changes over the years since 4.0 I reckon the devs
finally gave up and instead pinched useful bits out of gnome to get the
damn stuff to work right

kde-base/print-manager has a hard dep on
app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome and that uses
app-admin/system-config-printer-common

Don't worry about the bits with gnome in the name, those two packages
are very small and provide utility functions. They do come from the
gnome project but they form plumbing and are not gnome-specific


$ equery files gnome-common
 * Searching for gnome-common ...
 * Contents of gnome-base/gnome-common-3.7.4:
/usr
/usr/bin
/usr/bin/gnome-autogen.sh
/usr/bin/gnome-doc-common
/usr/share
/usr/share/aclocal
/usr/share/aclocal/gnome-code-coverage.m4
/usr/share/aclocal/gnome-common.m4
/usr/share/aclocal/gnome-compiler-flags.m4
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/gnome-common-3.7.4
/usr/share/doc/gnome-common-3.7.4/ChangeLog.bz2
/usr/share/doc/gnome-common-3.7.4/README.doc-build.bz2
/usr/share/doc/gnome-common-3.7.4/usage.txt.bz2
/usr/share/gnome-common
/usr/share/gnome-common/data
/usr/share/gnome-common/data/omf.make
/usr/share/gnome-common/data/xmldocs.make


$ equery files system-config-printer-common
 * Searching for system-config-printer-common ...
 * Contents of app-admin/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3:
/etc
/etc/cupshelpers
/etc/cupshelpers/preferreddrivers.xml
/etc/dbus-1
/etc/dbus-1/system.d
/etc/dbus-1/system.d/com.redhat.NewPrinterNotification.conf
/etc/dbus-1/system.d/com.redhat.PrinterDriversInstaller.conf
/lib
/lib/udev
/lib/udev/rules.d
/lib/udev/rules.d/70-printers.rules
/lib/udev/udev-add-printer
/lib/udev/udev-configure-printer
/usr
/usr/lib
/usr/lib/systemd
/usr/lib/systemd/system
/usr/lib/systemd/system/configure-printer@.service
/usr/lib64
/usr/lib64/python2.7
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers-1.0-py2.7.egg-info
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers/__init__.py
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers/config.py
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers/cupshelpers.py
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers/installdriver.py
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers/openprinting.py
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers/ppds.py
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers/xmldriverprefs.py
/usr/share
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3
/usr/share/doc/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3/AUTHORS.bz2
/usr/share/doc/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3/ChangeLog.bz2
/usr/share/doc/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3/README.bz2
/usr/share/system-config-printer
/usr/share/system-config-printer/PhysicalDevice.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/SearchCriterion.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/check-device-ids.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/config.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/debug.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/dnssdresolve.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/firewallsettings.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/installpackage.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/monitor.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/ppdippstr.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/probe_printer.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/smburi.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/statereason.py
/usr/share/system-config-printer/xml
/usr/share/system-config-printer/xml/preferreddrivers.rng
/usr/share/system-config-printer/xml/validate.py


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[gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Mick]

Why is gnome-base suddenly necessary on my system?  Is it media-plugins/gst-
plugins-gconf that wants to pull it in this morning, when it hadn't done so 
before?

This is what I see, but I also include the full enchilada below in case it is 
more informative:

[nomerge   ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf-0.10.31:0.10 
[ebuild U  ]   gnome-base/gconf-3.2.6-r1:2 [2.32.4-r1:2]


==
~ # emerge -uatDv world

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[nomerge   ] app-portage/layman-2.0.0  USE=git subversion -bazaar -cvs -
darcs -mercurial {-test} PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 (-pypy2_0) -python2_6 
[ebuild U  ]  dev-vcs/subversion-1.7.14 [1.7.13] USE=berkdb dso kde nls 
webdav-neon -apache2 -ctypes-python -debug -doc -extras -gnome-keyring -java -
perl -python -ruby -sasl {-test} -vim-syntax -webdav-serf 
PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 -python2_6 5,905 kB
[nomerge   ] app-pda/barry-0.18.3  USE=nls -boost -desktop -doc -gui -
opensync -static-libs 
[nomerge   ]  dev-cpp/libxmlpp-2.36.0:2.6  USE=-doc {-test} 
[ebuild U  ]   dev-cpp/glibmm-2.36.2:2 [2.32.1:2] USE=-debug -doc -
examples {-test} 2,256 kB
[ebuild  rR] kde-base/kamera-4.10.5:4  USE=handbook (-aqua) -debug 0 kB
[ebuild U  ] dev-util/meld-1.8.2 [1.7.0] USE=highlight -gnome 
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7%* -python2_6% PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7%* -
python2_6% 414 kB
[ebuild U  ] www-client/chromium-31.0.1650.63 [31.0.1650.57] USE=cups -
bindist -custom-cflags -gnome -gnome-keyring -gps -kerberos (-neon) -
pulseaudio (-selinux) (-system-sqlite) (-tcmalloc) {-test} LINGUAS=en_GB -am 
-ar -bg -bn -ca -cs -da -de -el -es -es_LA -et -fa -fi -fil -fr -gu -he -hi -
hr -hu -id -it -ja -kn -ko -lt -lv -ml -mr -ms -nb -nl -pl -pt_BR -pt_PT -ro -
ru -sk -sl -sr -sv -sw -ta -te -th -tr -uk -vi -zh_CN -zh_TW 170,438 kB
[ebuild U  ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.7-r5 [2.10.7-r4] USE=dbus gstreamer gtk 
ncurses nls spell xscreensaver (-aqua) -debug -doc -eds -gadu -gnutls -
groupwise -idn -meanwhile -mxit -networkmanager -perl -prediction -python -
sasl -silc -tcl -tk -zephyr -zeroconf PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 
PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 0 kB
[ebuild  rR] app-office/libreoffice-4.1.2.3  USE=bluetooth branding cups 
dbus gtk kde opengl vba webdav (-aqua) -debug -eds -gnome -gstreamer -gtk3 -
java -jemalloc -mysql -odk -postgres -telepathy {-test} 
LIBREOFFICE_EXTENSIONS=presenter-minimizer -nlpsolver -scripting-beanshell -
scripting-javascript -wiki-publisher PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7 -
python3_3 PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7 python3_3* 0 kB
[ebuild U  ] www-client/firefox-24.1.1 [17.0.9] USE=alsa dbus jit 
libnotify minimal startup-notification -bindist -custom-cflags -custom-
optimization -debug -gstreamer (-pgo) -pulseaudio% (-selinux) -system-cairo% -
system-icu% -system-jpeg% -system-sqlite -wifi LINGUAS=en_GB -af -ak -ar -as 
-ast -be -bg -bn_BD -bn_IN -br -bs -ca -cs -csb -cy -da -de -el -en_ZA -eo -
es_AR -es_CL -es_ES -es_MX -et -eu -fa -fi -fr -fy_NL -ga_IE -gd -gl -gu_IN -
he -hi_IN -hr -hu -hy_AM -id -is -it -ja -kk -km -kn -ko -ku -lg -lt -lv -mai 
-mk -ml -mr -nb_NO -nl -nn_NO -nso -or -pa_IN -pl -pt_BR -pt_PT -rm -ro -ru -
si -sk -sl -son -sq -sr -sv_SE -ta -ta_LK -te -th -tr -uk -vi -zh_CN -zh_TW -
zu 117,373 kB
[nomerge   ] net-misc/icaclient-12.1.0  USE=nsplugin LINGUAS=-de -ja 
[ebuild U  ]  app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-soundlibs-20131008-r2 
[20131008-r1] USE=alsa development pulseaudio%* ABI_X86=(-32) 0 kB
[nomerge   ] kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4.10.5:4  USE=cups (-aqua) -floppy -
lirc 
[nomerge   ]  kde-base/print-manager-4.10.5:4  USE=(-aqua) -debug 
[nomerge   ]   app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 [1.3.12] USE=-
gnome-keyring LINGUAS=en_GB -ar -as -bg -bn -bn_IN -br -bs -ca -cs -cy -da -
de -el -es -et -fa -fi -fr -gu -he -hi -hr -hu -hy -id -is -it -ja -ka -kn -ko 
-lo -lv -mai -mk -ml -mr -ms -nb -nl -nn -or -pa -pl -pt -pt_BR -ro -ru -si -
sk -sl -sr -sr@latin -sv -ta -te -th -tr -uk -vi -zh_CN -zh_TW 
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7%* -python2_6% PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7%* -
python2_6% 
[nomerge   ]app-admin/system-config-printer-common-1.4.3 [1.3.12] 
USE=policykit -doc PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7%* -python2_6% 
PYTHON_TARGETS=python2_7%* -python2_6% 
[blocks b  ] app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 (app-
admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 is blocking app-admin/system-config-
printer-common-1.4.3)
[ebuild U  ]  app-admin/system-config-printer-gnome-1.4.3 [1.3.12] 
USE=-gnome-keyring LINGUAS=en_GB -ar -as -bg -bn -bn_IN -br -bs -ca -cs -cy 
-da -de -el -es -et -fa -fi -fr -gu -he -hi -hr -hu -hy -id -is -it -ja -ka -
kn -ko -lo -lv -mai -mk -ml -mr -ms -nb -nl -nn -or -pa -pl -pt -pt_BR -ro -ru 
-si -sk -sl -sr -sr@latin -sv -ta -te -th -tr -uk -vi -zh_CN -zh_TW 
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET=python2_7%* -python2_6% 

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Tom Wijsman]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:16:43 +
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why is gnome-base suddenly necessary on my system?  Is it
 media-plugins/gst- plugins-gconf that wants to pull it in this
 morning, when it hadn't done so before?
 
 This is what I see, but I also include the full enchilada below in
 case it is more informative:
 
 [nomerge   ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf-0.10.31:0.10 
 [ebuild U  ]   gnome-base/gconf-3.2.6-r1:2 [2.32.4-r1:2]

Note how there is gconf in
media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf-0.10.31:0.10; thus, you don't want
this so I suggest you to add gnome-base/gconf and
media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf to package.mask. By doing so, you
will be warned when something depends on it in the future.

In this case you will find that net-im/pidgin[gstreamer] depends on it;
thus, you will want to disable that USE flag on net-im/pidgin.

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Gentoo Developer

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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Mick]

On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 10:31:38 you wrote:
 On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:16:43 +
 
 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
  Why is gnome-base suddenly necessary on my system?  Is it
  media-plugins/gst- plugins-gconf that wants to pull it in this
  morning, when it hadn't done so before?
  
  This is what I see, but I also include the full enchilada below in
  case it is more informative:
  
  [nomerge   ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf-0.10.31:0.10
  [ebuild U  ]   gnome-base/gconf-3.2.6-r1:2 [2.32.4-r1:2]
 
 Note how there is gconf in
 media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf-0.10.31:0.10; thus, you don't want
 this so I suggest you to add gnome-base/gconf and
 media-plugins/gst-plugins-gconf to package.mask. By doing so, you
 will be warned when something depends on it in the future.
 
 In this case you will find that net-im/pidgin[gstreamer] depends on it;
 thus, you will want to disable that USE flag on net-im/pidgin.

Thanks Tom!

It used to be the case that setting -gnome globally would be sufficient, 
without having to manually mask packages.  I had gstreamer in pidgin to be 
able to get sound.  I'm guessing that I need gstreamer in pidgin to be able to 
set up a voice call in gtalk.

Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to use 
gstreamer?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Tom Wijsman]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:03:00 +
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 It used to be the case that setting -gnome globally would be
 sufficient, without having to manually mask packages.  I had
 gstreamer in pidgin to be able to get sound.  I'm guessing that I
 need gstreamer in pidgin to be able to set up a voice call in gtalk.
 
 Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to
 use gstreamer?

Seems so, you'll need to check with upstream or with the code for more
details; but it is just one small package though.

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With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

E-mail address  : tom...@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 11:03:00 Mick wrote:

 Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to use
 gstreamer?

Not here, no. I have gstreamer but no gnome-base on this KDE box (not ~amd64). 
In fact, eix -I gnome returns only polkit-gnome. I see that's only there 
because I've inherited a gtk USE flag from the desktop profile.

I've now set -gtk in make.conf and I'm reinstalling world (13 packages, 
including gcc and libre-office) to check that I really don't need gtk. Even 
gimp 
doesn't need gtk!

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Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Mick]

On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 11:27:50 Tom Wijsman wrote:
 On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:03:00 +
 
 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
  It used to be the case that setting -gnome globally would be
  sufficient, without having to manually mask packages.  I had
  gstreamer in pidgin to be able to get sound.  I'm guessing that I
  need gstreamer in pidgin to be able to set up a voice call in gtalk.
  
  Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to
  use gstreamer?
 
 Seems so, you'll need to check with upstream or with the code for more
 details; but it is just one small package though.

Sure, today it is just gnome-base, tomorrow I could end up *having* to install 
systemd or whatever RHL and their developers have deemed appropriate for your 
average desktop system.  I've masked the two you suggested for now.

Thanks again!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base

[Tom Wijsman]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:47:41 +
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 tomorrow I could end up *having* to install 
 systemd or whatever RHL and their developers have deemed appropriate
 for your average desktop system.

They don't have control over the dependencies in packages and
distributions they don't own though; so, for them to be listed as a
dependency goes a long way.

I think that for most packages in the Portage tree there is a large
enough chain of dependencies between the package and systemd such that
one can always avoid having to install systemd. But we're not there and
I think we will never be there, because systemd is not often listed as
a dependency (only on ~2 or so GNOME packages?) compared to something
like ncurses that is listed all over the place...

-- 
With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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