Re: [gentoo-user] What the devil?!! [or Plasma teething problems Ia.]
On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 10:14:59 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Monday, 24 June 2019 21:19:09 BST Mick wrote: > > Also, the sddm DM shutdown/reboot buttons now do not work. O_O > It seems that you're a victim of the hopelessly reticulate interactions > among plasma components. Yes, it seems by removing plasma-meta and reinstalling I caused some plasma- KDE hickup, which a revdep-rebuild following this morning's update is now hopefully trying to address. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] What the devil?!! [or Plasma teething problems Ia.]
Thank you both for your suggestions, On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 09:47:16 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 00:12:56 +0100, Mick wrote: > > > > Can someone please explain how the removal of the 'wireless' USE > > > > flag from powerdevil ends up with no buttons for Suspend-to-RAM, > > > > Hibernation, Reboot or Shutdown under the Leave tab of the KMenu? > > > > What does wireless have to do with those functions which should work > > > > regardless? > > > > > > Those options are still present here. > > > > Thanks Neil, these are the packages which were depcleaned following > > USE="- wireless" for powerdevil, USE="-espeak" for speech-dispatcher > > > and USE="device- mapper-only -thin" for lvm: > Has nobody ever told you about changing only one thing at a time? ;_) > > > 1561390348: Started emerge on: Jun 24, 2019 16:32:28 > > 1561390348: *** emerge --ask --verbose --depclean > > 1561390348: >>> depclean > > 1561390428: === Unmerging... (virtual/w3m-0) > > 1561390432: >>> unmerge success: virtual/w3m-0 > > 1561390432: === Unmerging... (virtual/linux-sources-3) > > 1561390436: >>> unmerge success: virtual/linux-sources-3 > > 1561390436: === Unmerging... (kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt-5.57.0) > > 1561390440: >>> unmerge success: > > kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt-5.57.0 1561390440: === Unmerging... > > (sys-block/thin-provisioning-tools-0.7.0) 1561390445: >>> unmerge > > success: sys-block/thin-provisioning-tools-0.7.0 1561390445: === > > Unmerging... (app-accessibility/espeak-1.48.04-r1) 1561390449: >>> > > unmerge success: app-accessibility/espeak-1.48.04-r1 1561390449: === > > Unmerging... (www-client/w3m-0.5.3_p20180125) 1561390453: >>> unmerge > > success: www-client/w3m-0.5.3_p20180125 1561390453: === Unmerging... > > (media-sound/sox-14.4.2-r1) 1561390458: >>> unmerge success: > > media-sound/sox-14.4.2-r1 1561390458: === Unmerging... > > (net-misc/networkmanager-1.16.0) 1561390464: >>> unmerge success: > > net-misc/networkmanager-1.16.0 1561390464: === Unmerging... > > (net-dialup/ppp-2.4.7-r7) 1561390468: >>> unmerge success: > > net-dialup/ppp-2.4.7-r7 1561390468: === Unmerging... > > (net-misc/dhcp-4.4.1) 1561390473: >>> unmerge success: > > net-misc/dhcp-4.4.1 1561390473: === Unmerging... > > (dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.4) 1561390478: >>> unmerge success: > > dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.4 1561390478: === Unmerging... > > (media-sound/gsm-1.0.13-r1) 1561390482: >>> unmerge success: > > media-sound/gsm-1.0.13-r1 1561390482: === Unmerging... > > (net-libs/libndp-1.7) 1561390486: >>> unmerge success: > > net-libs/libndp-1.7 1561390486: === Unmerging... > > (net-misc/modemmanager-1.8.2-r1) 1561390493: >>> unmerge success: > > net-misc/modemmanager-1.8.2-r1 1561390493: === Unmerging... > > (dev-libs/newt-0.52.20) 1561390497: >>> unmerge success: > > dev-libs/newt-0.52.20 1561390497: === Unmerging... > > (net-dialup/ppp-scripts-0) 1561390501: >>> unmerge success: > > net-dialup/ppp-scripts-0 1561390501: === Unmerging... > > (sys-libs/slang-2.3.2) 1561390505: >>> unmerge success: > > sys-libs/slang-2.3.2 1561390505: === Unmerging... > > (net-libs/libqmi-1.20.2) 1561390510: >>> unmerge success: > > net-libs/libqmi-1.20.2 1561390510: === Unmerging... > > (net-libs/libmbim-1.16.2) 1561390515: >>> unmerge success: > > net-libs/libmbim-1.16.2 1561390515: *** exiting successfully. > > 1561390515: *** terminating. > > 1561390536: Started emerge on: Jun 24, 2019 16:35:36 > > 1561390536: *** emerge --ask --verbose @preserved-rebuild > > 1561390543: *** exiting successfully. > > 1561390543: *** terminating. > > I don't have most of those packages either, I do have w3m and sox but > you'd have to be pretty desperate to start suspecting them. I am! O_O > [ebuild R] kde-plasma/powerdevil-5.16.1:5::gentoo > USE="-brightness-control -debug handbook -wireless" 0 KiB > > It doesn't look like USE affects it either. > > > I can't see anything in there. I also uninstalled and reinstalled > > plasma- meta, but did not depclean anything. Could there be something > > in systemsettings? Yep! Power Management is greyed out: > > > > "Power management configuration module could not be loaded. The Power > > Management Service appears not to be running. This can be solved by > > starting or scheduling it inside "Startup and Shutdown". > > > > What am I supposed to add in "Startup and Shutdown"? There is no Power > > Management to start up and no button to add any services. :-/ > > I can't see anything power related in there. I have everything but > automounting enabled. > > Have you tried logging in as a new user, to see if it's a configuration > option that's wrong somewhere? I've done one better, installed Enlightenment to try it out on this machine, in case it works without intermittently spinning up the CPU when the screen goes to sleep, but all the power settings were missing in Enlightenment too. I run an update today which brought in a new dbus package. Although
Re: [gentoo-user] What the devil?!! [or Plasma teething problems Ia.]
On Monday, 24 June 2019 21:19:09 BST Mick wrote: > Can someone please explain how the removal of the 'wireless' USE flag from > powerdevil ends up with no buttons for Suspend-to-RAM, Hibernation, Reboot > or Shutdown under the Leave tab of the KMenu? It doesn't, by itself. I have -wireless set on powerdevil and I have Reboot and Shutdown buttons. > What does wireless have to do with those functions which should work > regardless? Nothing, one hopes. > Also, the sddm DM shutdown/reboot buttons now do not work. O_O > > Is Plasma/KDE trying to emulate the inflexibility of Gnome? (no flamewar > intended please). It seems that you're a victim of the hopelessly reticulate interactions among plasma components. As I said a minute ago, finding myself similarly afflicted, I just had to cut the Gordian knot and start again. (Sorry - a bit of verbal diarrhoea there.) -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] What the devil?!! [or Plasma teething problems Ia.]
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 00:12:56 +0100, Mick wrote: > > > Can someone please explain how the removal of the 'wireless' USE > > > flag from powerdevil ends up with no buttons for Suspend-to-RAM, > > > Hibernation, Reboot or Shutdown under the Leave tab of the KMenu? > > > What does wireless have to do with those functions which should work > > > regardless? > > > > Those options are still present here. > > Thanks Neil, these are the packages which were depcleaned following > USE="- wireless" for powerdevil, USE="-espeak" for speech-dispatcher > and USE="device- mapper-only -thin" for lvm: Has nobody ever told you about changing only one thing at a time? ;_) > 1561390348: Started emerge on: Jun 24, 2019 16:32:28 > 1561390348: *** emerge --ask --verbose --depclean > 1561390348: >>> depclean > 1561390428: === Unmerging... (virtual/w3m-0) > 1561390432: >>> unmerge success: virtual/w3m-0 > 1561390432: === Unmerging... (virtual/linux-sources-3) > 1561390436: >>> unmerge success: virtual/linux-sources-3 > 1561390436: === Unmerging... (kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt-5.57.0) > 1561390440: >>> unmerge success: > kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt-5.57.0 1561390440: === Unmerging... > (sys-block/thin-provisioning-tools-0.7.0) 1561390445: >>> unmerge > success: sys-block/thin-provisioning-tools-0.7.0 1561390445: === > Unmerging... (app-accessibility/espeak-1.48.04-r1) 1561390449: >>> > unmerge success: app-accessibility/espeak-1.48.04-r1 1561390449: === > Unmerging... (www-client/w3m-0.5.3_p20180125) 1561390453: >>> unmerge > success: www-client/w3m-0.5.3_p20180125 1561390453: === Unmerging... > (media-sound/sox-14.4.2-r1) 1561390458: >>> unmerge success: > media-sound/sox-14.4.2-r1 1561390458: === Unmerging... > (net-misc/networkmanager-1.16.0) 1561390464: >>> unmerge success: > net-misc/networkmanager-1.16.0 1561390464: === Unmerging... > (net-dialup/ppp-2.4.7-r7) 1561390468: >>> unmerge success: > net-dialup/ppp-2.4.7-r7 1561390468: === Unmerging... > (net-misc/dhcp-4.4.1) 1561390473: >>> unmerge success: > net-misc/dhcp-4.4.1 1561390473: === Unmerging... > (dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.4) 1561390478: >>> unmerge success: > dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.4 1561390478: === Unmerging... > (media-sound/gsm-1.0.13-r1) 1561390482: >>> unmerge success: > media-sound/gsm-1.0.13-r1 1561390482: === Unmerging... > (net-libs/libndp-1.7) 1561390486: >>> unmerge success: > net-libs/libndp-1.7 1561390486: === Unmerging... > (net-misc/modemmanager-1.8.2-r1) 1561390493: >>> unmerge success: > net-misc/modemmanager-1.8.2-r1 1561390493: === Unmerging... > (dev-libs/newt-0.52.20) 1561390497: >>> unmerge success: > dev-libs/newt-0.52.20 1561390497: === Unmerging... > (net-dialup/ppp-scripts-0) 1561390501: >>> unmerge success: > net-dialup/ppp-scripts-0 1561390501: === Unmerging... > (sys-libs/slang-2.3.2) 1561390505: >>> unmerge success: > sys-libs/slang-2.3.2 1561390505: === Unmerging... > (net-libs/libqmi-1.20.2) 1561390510: >>> unmerge success: > net-libs/libqmi-1.20.2 1561390510: === Unmerging... > (net-libs/libmbim-1.16.2) 1561390515: >>> unmerge success: > net-libs/libmbim-1.16.2 1561390515: *** exiting successfully. > 1561390515: *** terminating. > 1561390536: Started emerge on: Jun 24, 2019 16:35:36 > 1561390536: *** emerge --ask --verbose @preserved-rebuild > 1561390543: *** exiting successfully. > 1561390543: *** terminating. I don't have most of those packages either, I do have w3m and sox but you'd have to be pretty desperate to start suspecting them. [ebuild R] kde-plasma/powerdevil-5.16.1:5::gentoo USE="-brightness-control -debug handbook -wireless" 0 KiB It doesn't look like USE affects it either. > I can't see anything in there. I also uninstalled and reinstalled > plasma- meta, but did not depclean anything. Could there be something > in systemsettings? Yep! Power Management is greyed out: > > "Power management configuration module could not be loaded. The Power > Management Service appears not to be running. This can be solved by > starting or scheduling it inside "Startup and Shutdown". > > What am I supposed to add in "Startup and Shutdown"? There is no Power > Management to start up and no button to add any services. :-/ > I can't see anything power related in there. I have everything but automounting enabled. Have you tried logging in as a new user, to see if it's a configuration option that's wrong somewhere? -- Neil Bothwick As long as you do not move you can still choose any direction. pgpEOhTdTbL7f.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What the devil?!! [or Plasma teething problems Ia.]
Mick wrote: > On Monday, 24 June 2019 23:41:03 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 21:19:09 +0100, Mick wrote: >>> Can someone please explain how the removal of the 'wireless' USE flag >>> from powerdevil ends up with no buttons for Suspend-to-RAM, >>> Hibernation, Reboot or Shutdown under the Leave tab of the KMenu? What >>> does wireless have to do with those functions which should work >>> regardless? >> Those options are still present here. > Thanks Neil, these are the packages which were depcleaned following USE="- > wireless" for powerdevil, USE="-espeak" for speech-dispatcher and USE="device- > mapper-only -thin" for lvm: > > 1561390348: Started emerge on: Jun 24, 2019 16:32:28 > 1561390348: *** emerge --ask --verbose --depclean > 1561390348: >>> depclean > 1561390428: === Unmerging... (virtual/w3m-0) > 1561390432: >>> unmerge success: virtual/w3m-0 > 1561390432: === Unmerging... (virtual/linux-sources-3) > 1561390436: >>> unmerge success: virtual/linux-sources-3 > 1561390436: === Unmerging... (kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt-5.57.0) > 1561390440: >>> unmerge success: kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt-5.57.0 > 1561390440: === Unmerging... (sys-block/thin-provisioning-tools-0.7.0) > 1561390445: >>> unmerge success: sys-block/thin-provisioning-tools-0.7.0 > 1561390445: === Unmerging... (app-accessibility/espeak-1.48.04-r1) > 1561390449: >>> unmerge success: app-accessibility/espeak-1.48.04-r1 > 1561390449: === Unmerging... (www-client/w3m-0.5.3_p20180125) > 1561390453: >>> unmerge success: www-client/w3m-0.5.3_p20180125 > 1561390453: === Unmerging... (media-sound/sox-14.4.2-r1) > 1561390458: >>> unmerge success: media-sound/sox-14.4.2-r1 > 1561390458: === Unmerging... (net-misc/networkmanager-1.16.0) > 1561390464: >>> unmerge success: net-misc/networkmanager-1.16.0 > 1561390464: === Unmerging... (net-dialup/ppp-2.4.7-r7) > 1561390468: >>> unmerge success: net-dialup/ppp-2.4.7-r7 > 1561390468: === Unmerging... (net-misc/dhcp-4.4.1) > 1561390473: >>> unmerge success: net-misc/dhcp-4.4.1 > 1561390473: === Unmerging... (dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.4) > 1561390478: >>> unmerge success: dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.4 > 1561390478: === Unmerging... (media-sound/gsm-1.0.13-r1) > 1561390482: >>> unmerge success: media-sound/gsm-1.0.13-r1 > 1561390482: === Unmerging... (net-libs/libndp-1.7) > 1561390486: >>> unmerge success: net-libs/libndp-1.7 > 1561390486: === Unmerging... (net-misc/modemmanager-1.8.2-r1) > 1561390493: >>> unmerge success: net-misc/modemmanager-1.8.2-r1 > 1561390493: === Unmerging... (dev-libs/newt-0.52.20) > 1561390497: >>> unmerge success: dev-libs/newt-0.52.20 > 1561390497: === Unmerging... (net-dialup/ppp-scripts-0) > 1561390501: >>> unmerge success: net-dialup/ppp-scripts-0 > 1561390501: === Unmerging... (sys-libs/slang-2.3.2) > 1561390505: >>> unmerge success: sys-libs/slang-2.3.2 > 1561390505: === Unmerging... (net-libs/libqmi-1.20.2) > 1561390510: >>> unmerge success: net-libs/libqmi-1.20.2 > 1561390510: === Unmerging... (net-libs/libmbim-1.16.2) > 1561390515: >>> unmerge success: net-libs/libmbim-1.16.2 > 1561390515: *** exiting successfully. > 1561390515: *** terminating. > 1561390536: Started emerge on: Jun 24, 2019 16:35:36 > 1561390536: *** emerge --ask --verbose @preserved-rebuild > 1561390543: *** exiting successfully. > 1561390543: *** terminating. > > I can't see anything in there. I also uninstalled and reinstalled plasma- > meta, but did not depclean anything. Could there be something in > systemsettings? Yep! Power Management is greyed out: > > "Power management configuration module could not be loaded. The Power > Management Service appears not to be running. This can be solved by starting > or scheduling it inside "Startup and Shutdown". > > What am I supposed to add in "Startup and Shutdown"? There is no Power > Management to start up and no button to add any services. :-/ > I wonder if something is trying to use a old config file. You may want to use checkrestart, needrestart or something to check on that. I still have checkrestart here but needrestart should pick this up. If it is that, logout, got to a console and restart X. I sometimes just go to the boot runlevel, make sure no KDE/sddm processes are still running by killing anything that shouldn't be running and then go back to default runlevel. KDE is bad to leave processes running. If that does nothing, try revdep-rebuild and see if it catches anything. Maybe a emerge -uaDN world will help too. Lots of options. When I did this a good while back, it got a bit dirty before I got things cleaned out. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] What the devil?!! [or Plasma teething problems Ia.]
On Monday, 24 June 2019 23:41:03 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 21:19:09 +0100, Mick wrote: > > Can someone please explain how the removal of the 'wireless' USE flag > > from powerdevil ends up with no buttons for Suspend-to-RAM, > > Hibernation, Reboot or Shutdown under the Leave tab of the KMenu? What > > does wireless have to do with those functions which should work > > regardless? > > Those options are still present here. Thanks Neil, these are the packages which were depcleaned following USE="- wireless" for powerdevil, USE="-espeak" for speech-dispatcher and USE="device- mapper-only -thin" for lvm: 1561390348: Started emerge on: Jun 24, 2019 16:32:28 1561390348: *** emerge --ask --verbose --depclean 1561390348: >>> depclean 1561390428: === Unmerging... (virtual/w3m-0) 1561390432: >>> unmerge success: virtual/w3m-0 1561390432: === Unmerging... (virtual/linux-sources-3) 1561390436: >>> unmerge success: virtual/linux-sources-3 1561390436: === Unmerging... (kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt-5.57.0) 1561390440: >>> unmerge success: kde-frameworks/networkmanager-qt-5.57.0 1561390440: === Unmerging... (sys-block/thin-provisioning-tools-0.7.0) 1561390445: >>> unmerge success: sys-block/thin-provisioning-tools-0.7.0 1561390445: === Unmerging... (app-accessibility/espeak-1.48.04-r1) 1561390449: >>> unmerge success: app-accessibility/espeak-1.48.04-r1 1561390449: === Unmerging... (www-client/w3m-0.5.3_p20180125) 1561390453: >>> unmerge success: www-client/w3m-0.5.3_p20180125 1561390453: === Unmerging... (media-sound/sox-14.4.2-r1) 1561390458: >>> unmerge success: media-sound/sox-14.4.2-r1 1561390458: === Unmerging... (net-misc/networkmanager-1.16.0) 1561390464: >>> unmerge success: net-misc/networkmanager-1.16.0 1561390464: === Unmerging... (net-dialup/ppp-2.4.7-r7) 1561390468: >>> unmerge success: net-dialup/ppp-2.4.7-r7 1561390468: === Unmerging... (net-misc/dhcp-4.4.1) 1561390473: >>> unmerge success: net-misc/dhcp-4.4.1 1561390473: === Unmerging... (dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.4) 1561390478: >>> unmerge success: dev-libs/boehm-gc-7.6.4 1561390478: === Unmerging... (media-sound/gsm-1.0.13-r1) 1561390482: >>> unmerge success: media-sound/gsm-1.0.13-r1 1561390482: === Unmerging... (net-libs/libndp-1.7) 1561390486: >>> unmerge success: net-libs/libndp-1.7 1561390486: === Unmerging... (net-misc/modemmanager-1.8.2-r1) 1561390493: >>> unmerge success: net-misc/modemmanager-1.8.2-r1 1561390493: === Unmerging... (dev-libs/newt-0.52.20) 1561390497: >>> unmerge success: dev-libs/newt-0.52.20 1561390497: === Unmerging... (net-dialup/ppp-scripts-0) 1561390501: >>> unmerge success: net-dialup/ppp-scripts-0 1561390501: === Unmerging... (sys-libs/slang-2.3.2) 1561390505: >>> unmerge success: sys-libs/slang-2.3.2 1561390505: === Unmerging... (net-libs/libqmi-1.20.2) 1561390510: >>> unmerge success: net-libs/libqmi-1.20.2 1561390510: === Unmerging... (net-libs/libmbim-1.16.2) 1561390515: >>> unmerge success: net-libs/libmbim-1.16.2 1561390515: *** exiting successfully. 1561390515: *** terminating. 1561390536: Started emerge on: Jun 24, 2019 16:35:36 1561390536: *** emerge --ask --verbose @preserved-rebuild 1561390543: *** exiting successfully. 1561390543: *** terminating. I can't see anything in there. I also uninstalled and reinstalled plasma- meta, but did not depclean anything. Could there be something in systemsettings? Yep! Power Management is greyed out: "Power management configuration module could not be loaded. The Power Management Service appears not to be running. This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside "Startup and Shutdown". What am I supposed to add in "Startup and Shutdown"? There is no Power Management to start up and no button to add any services. :-/ -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] What the devil?!! [or Plasma teething problems Ia.]
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 21:19:09 +0100, Mick wrote: > Can someone please explain how the removal of the 'wireless' USE flag > from powerdevil ends up with no buttons for Suspend-to-RAM, > Hibernation, Reboot or Shutdown under the Leave tab of the KMenu? What > does wireless have to do with those functions which should work > regardless? Those options are still present here. -- Neil Bothwick A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? pgp_XMVht9Wx9.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] What the devil?!! [or Plasma teething problems Ia.]
Can someone please explain how the removal of the 'wireless' USE flag from powerdevil ends up with no buttons for Suspend-to-RAM, Hibernation, Reboot or Shutdown under the Leave tab of the KMenu? What does wireless have to do with those functions which should work regardless? Also, the sddm DM shutdown/reboot buttons now do not work. O_O Is Plasma/KDE trying to emulate the inflexibility of Gnome? (no flamewar intended please). -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
