Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world looking grim
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Can anyone advise me which iso to use? And which profile to set for general use in a vbox, hopefully to allow a `no sweat' emerge to a full OS. As others have pointed out you probably just need to update your gcc and all will be well, or if you have it updated check gcc-config -l to make sure you're using the latest version. However, I did want to point out something else. Gentoo isos don't actually contain any packages. They're nothing more than boot disks. You can install Gentoo from an Ubuntu iso as easily as from a Gentoo iso, and the Gentoo isos don't even boot on EFI. The software is all in the stage3. However, I wouldn't really try to overwrite your install with a stage3 at this point as it doesn't actually look like you have any serious problems. You just need to do a bit of housecleaning. And a note to everybody else on the list: take it easy on the poor guy. People used to other distros are used to doing things like blowing away their installs every other year with a fresh install. Release-based distros get people used to this kind of nonsense, and the idea that FOSS comes on a shiny DVD. Portage's error messages don't always help in this regard. Of course any Gentoo user has to be willing to take the time to learn some of the nuts and bolts to keep things running, but when it is obvious somebody doesn't understand what they're doing we can educate rather than just point it out. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world looking grim
Hello, Harry, Long time, no see! On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 10:19:42PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: My gentoo OS is running on Openindiana (solaris) inside oracle's vbox. It's been left setting for at least 4-5 months maybe a couple more. After eix-sync, attempting an `emerge vuND world' comes up with so many blocks, use flag changes and a variety of other bad news in such proliferation... I'm thinking better to install from scratch with latest ISO. I know the feeling. When the same thing happened to me (my system got into a mess because I was running XFCE which was too dependent on gnome-2; when gnome-3 became stable, the demons of hades were let loose, and I tried a couple of times, half-heartedly, to update), I told myself to stop and think. I could spend days fighting with use flags and conflicts, or I could spend a few days reinstalling. In the end I reinstalled (using the old system (rather than an ISO image) to do the initial stages. It took me about a week, compared with about a month the first time I seriously installed Gentoo. Installation here means getting everything up and running, including X with destop manager, printing, sound, email server and client, , | NOTE: The full mess can be viewed here: | | zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vutxt/images/emerge_MassiveFailure-150823.txt ` I've been quite a long time gentoo user but last 2+ yrs only very lightly. I'm awful dumb for someone who has problably more than 15 yrs running gentoo. I doubt that! But if I were only using Gentoo lightly for an extended period, I'd forget a _lot_. I wondered if there are some very new ISO's that would contain all major changes in last year or so once I got the core installed and key useflags/make.conf setup? That's not the way Gentoo works - (what was that I was saying about forgetting things?). The Gentoo ISO is really just an installation environment to boot up into, one with enough power for you to be able to download and install a stage 3 into which you reboot, then really get going with configuring the system, and installing further stuff, etc. All the new stuff from the last few months is in portage (which you get with $ emerge --sync, and so on). Can anyone advise me which iso to use? And which profile to set for general use in a vbox, hopefully to allow a `no sweat' emerge to a full OS. Painful though it might seem, I'd suggest you go back to the Gentoo handbook and do a bit of revision. It's been moved to the Gentoo wiki at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page. I'd recommend you then just to reinstall. Remembering my fights with stupid error messages from emerge, and so on, I wish I'd just reinstalled months earlier than I did. Whatever you end up doing, all the best! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world looking grim
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 08:41:48AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: And a note to everybody else on the list: take it easy on the poor guy. People used to other distros are used to doing things like blowing away their installs every other year with a fresh install. Release-based distros get people used to this kind of nonsense, and the idea that FOSS comes on a shiny DVD. Portage's error messages don't always help in this regard. Of course any Gentoo user has to be willing to take the time to learn some of the nuts and bolts to keep things running, but when it is obvious somebody doesn't understand what they're doing we can educate rather than just point it out. That's fine, we could all be a bit nicer. That said, if someone wants a distro that is fast and easy to install (which is perfectly valid to want; I use plenty of them on a daily basis), it is important to point out that Gentoo is neither fast nor extremely easy to install. Alec
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world looking grim
On 24/08/2015 15:17, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Harry, Long time, no see! On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 10:19:42PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: My gentoo OS is running on Openindiana (solaris) inside oracle's vbox. It's been left setting for at least 4-5 months maybe a couple more. After eix-sync, attempting an `emerge vuND world' comes up with so many blocks, use flag changes and a variety of other bad news in such proliferation... I'm thinking better to install from scratch with latest ISO. I know the feeling. When the same thing happened to me (my system got into a mess because I was running XFCE which was too dependent on gnome-2; when gnome-3 became stable, the demons of hades were let loose, and I tried a couple of times, half-heartedly, to update), I told myself to stop and think. I could spend days fighting with use flags and conflicts, or I could spend a few days reinstalling. In the end I reinstalled (using the old system (rather than an ISO image) to do the initial stages. It took me about a week, compared with about a month the first time I seriously installed Gentoo. Installation here means getting everything up and running, including X with destop manager, printing, sound, email server and client, At first glance it does look like maybe a reinstall would be better. But in this case, that's not true. Looking over the list of packages to be updated, there are 3 general classes of things: 1. Regular updates 2. A whole whack of rebuilds 3. A perl upgrade from 5.20 to 5.22 #1 is routine. Press enter, and make does it's thing #2 looks scary, but in the old days we'd have to do the updates then let revdep-rebuild catch the inconsistencies, and rebuild those. Modern portage has some magic code to fold everything into the main emerge world step. So just press Enter and make does it's thing #3 can be very confusing. With 5.22, upstream moved many Perl packages into the core Perl codebase, so all such installed packages (and all of us have many of them) need to uninstall perl-core/package and replace it with virtual/perl-package. Portage normally deals with this transparently, but the output can be a little too verbose sometimes, and takes some decent brainpower to figure out what is really going on. There's also some blockers in that list ([blocks b ]), but they are all soft (lower case b) so portage should take those in it's stride and just fix it with no intervention. Harry's real problem as many have noted is that his gcc config is not valid. But, portage can't tell him that. It started the merge, and handed control over to the next app, which portage can't make sense of as it all happened outside portage's control. Result: a wall of text on the screen, right after the wall of text of 195 things to be rebuilt and a huge list of stuff causing other stuff to be needed to be rebuilt! I suppose those ebuilds that are sensitive to gcc versions could have a check built in to check the version before starting and then print a sane error message that portage CAN control and make sense of. Either way, gcc-config -l is what Harry needs to run first, and make his default compiler 4.7 or later. With that out of the way, emerge should proceed normally apart from taking a while to get through it. He might have perl issues afterwards and need to run perl-cleaner. The real problem is how do I know all this, and Harry did spot it? Well, building a source distro comes in at a much lower level than a binary one, and it does take a good large dose of experience, knowledge and plain old luck to figure out what is really going on. These days portage is very good at doing the right thing (it still sucks at a human level in it's output...) and today Harry just got really unlucky. So yeah, reinstall is probably not the better option here. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world looking grim
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 10:19:42PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: My gentoo OS is running on Openindiana (solaris) inside oracle's vbox. It's been left setting for at least 4-5 months maybe a couple more. After eix-sync, attempting an `emerge vuND world' comes up with so many blocks, use flag changes and a variety of other bad news in such proliferation... I'm thinking better to install from scratch with latest ISO. , | NOTE: The full mess can be viewed here: | | zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vutxt/images/emerge_MassiveFailure-150823.txt ` No, this really shouldn't be that bad. Look at the list of updates and apply certain updates first. glibc and gcc should probably be updated first, so just run: emerge -uDN1 glibc Since gcc-config could not find gcc 4.7, it is marked as stable, and emerge was not trying to install it, you must have a version hard-coded in `/var/lib/portage/world`. For now, to upgrade gcc you can just grab the newest version: emerge --oneshot gcc From then on, it should go relatively smoothly, since emerge was handling all of the blockers. Can anyone advise me which iso to use? And which profile to set for general use in a vbox, hopefully to allow a `no sweat' emerge to a full OS. As Jc Garcia mentioned, Gentoo is not a `no sweat' distro. Alec
[gentoo-user] emerge world looking grim
My gentoo OS is running on Openindiana (solaris) inside oracle's vbox. It's been left setting for at least 4-5 months maybe a couple more. After eix-sync, attempting an `emerge vuND world' comes up with so many blocks, use flag changes and a variety of other bad news in such proliferation... I'm thinking better to install from scratch with latest ISO. , | NOTE: The full mess can be viewed here: | | zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vutxt/images/emerge_MassiveFailure-150823.txt ` I've been quite a long time gentoo user but last 2+ yrs only very lightly. I'm awful dumb for someone who has problably more than 15 yrs running gentoo. I wondered if there are some very new ISO's that would contain all major changes in last year or so once I got the core installed and key useflags/make.conf setup? Can anyone advise me which iso to use? And which profile to set for general use in a vbox, hopefully to allow a `no sweat' emerge to a full OS.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world looking grim
2015-08-23 20:19 GMT-06:00 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com: My gentoo OS is running on Openindiana (solaris) inside oracle's vbox. Why so much overhead for compiling, and not doing it bare-metal? It's been left setting for at least 4-5 months maybe a couple more. After eix-sync, attempting an `emerge vuND world' comes up with so many blocks, use flag changes and a variety of other bad news in such proliferation... I'm thinking better to install from scratch with latest ISO. Did you really took your time to read that error message, You are seeing problems, except where they are. , | NOTE: The full mess can be viewed here: | | zeus.jtan.com/~reader/vutxt/images/emerge_MassiveFailure-150823.txt ` I've been quite a long time gentoo user but last 2+ yrs only very lightly. I'm awful dumb for someone who has problably more than 15 yrs running gentoo. Considering gentoo doesn't even have 15 years, I guess you are talking to us from the future. I wondered if there are some very new ISO's that would contain all major changes in last year or so once I got the core installed and key useflags/make.conf setup? Can anyone advise me which iso to use? And which profile to set for general use in a vbox, hopefully to allow a `no sweat' emerge to a full OS. You should really step first at the documentation and then ask about it, gentoo doesn't have 'new isos to install', it has stage3 tarballs. you are trying to see gentoo as a binary distro. Did you even tried to read the message before asking? Didn't this told you anything? (From your log): --- * LLVM-3.6.2 requires C++11-capable C++ compiler. Your current compiler * does not seem to support -std=c++11 option. Please upgrade your compiler * to gcc-4.7 or an equivalent version supporting C++11. * ERROR: sys-devel/llvm-3.6.2::gentoo failed (pretend phase): * Currently active compiler does not support -std=c++11 --- gcc-config: error: could not run/locate 'i686-pc-linux-gnu-cpp' * ERROR: x11-base/xorg-server-1.17.2-r1::gentoo failed (pretend phase): * Sorry, but gcc earlier than 4.0 will not work for xorg-server. Upgrade your compiler and try again. But I should say from reading your email you don't seem to have the attitude to be a gentoo user and enjoy it, if this made think about reinstalling without even giving a good read to that error message, I've using gentoo for ~2 years, and even then 4.7 or 4.6, I remember was already a stable compiler, are you sure you haven't upgraded in a significant more time than you say?
