Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:20:57 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Forcing nano into @system goes against the whole idea of using virtuals to specify required functionality, rather than requiring a specific program. That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time it seems

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-08 Thread Albert Hopkins
I exaggerated. The number of kde packages pulled in on my compute server right now is about 10, so it's not as bad as I remember. I have a bunch of systems (desktop and client) and none of them pull in any KDE libs save one, which has kde-meta in the world file. Not even my mythtv box, which

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-08 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: I exaggerated. The number of kde packages pulled in on my compute server right now is about 10, so it's not as bad as I remember. I have a bunch of systems (desktop and client) and none of them pull in any KDE libs

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-08 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 07:09 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: I exaggerated. The number of kde packages pulled in on my compute server right now is about 10, so it's not as bad as I remember. I have a bunch of systems (desktop and client) and none of them pull in should have been (desktop and

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-08 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 07:09 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: SNIP And all of these machines are using the kde profile? Of course not.  Why would you put a server (or anything else) in the kde profile unless you wanted to

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-08 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 07:37 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Then you missed the point of the thread. Quite possibly.

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-08 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 07:37 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Then you missed the point of the thread. Quite possibly. Actually, my comment was unfair and I apologize. If you didn't happen to read every part of the thread

[gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile.

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. app-editors/nano selected: 2.3.1 protected: none

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:10:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. !!! 'sys-apps/less' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. Anyone else seeing this?

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:54 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:10:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. !!! 'sys-apps/less' is part

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Indi
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 11:10:25AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: sys-apps/less selected: 443 protected: none omitted: none Changelog doesn't say much about this. I have nano, vim, more and less installed and vim is in world. I really don't feel like adding the other

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Todd Goodman
* Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [110607 04:42]: Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile.

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. I

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:36 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Alan McKinnon did opine thusly: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:54 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:10:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP #370295 Zac responded (comment #21) to my post in that bug with quite a well-reasoned rationale. It makes interesting reading. It was a good response. One question left hanging for me goes like this: I

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:51 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mark Knecht did opine thusly: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP #370295 Zac responded (comment #21) to my post in that bug with quite a well-reasoned rationale. It makes

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:51 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mark Knecht did opine thusly: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP #370295 Zac responded (comment

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:39 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mark Knecht did opine thusly: I have no problem with saying someone needs to understand what less does. less isn't important. It's just the example at hand today. The 'problem' that I'm trying to get closer to answering is how

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:55:38AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:39:34 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: What I didn't like about this issue popping up yesterday is that it altered the idea that average users never touch anything in @system. Iin fact, TTBOMK I've never in 11 or 12 years of running Gentoo ever done an emerge -C on a @system

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:08 on Wednesday 08 June 2011, Walter Dnes did opine thusly: On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:55:38AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: OK, now we're tracking. In the specific case of less, the answer is self-evident - it isn't needed. A dev would just know that. More likely, he would assume he knows that. In the general case, they suck their thumbs and guess. Some think more than others before they guess,

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 01:08 on Wednesday 08 June 2011, Walter Dnes did opine thusly: On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:55:38AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Latest

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:03 on Wednesday 08 June 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 01:08 on Wednesday 08 June 2011, Walter Dnes did opine thusly: On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:55:38AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote On Tue, Jun 7,

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:39:34 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:    What I didn't like about this issue popping up yesterday is that it altered the idea that average users never touch anything in @system. Iin fact, TTBOMK I've never

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:39 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mark Knecht did opine thusly:    I have no problem with saying someone needs to understand what less does. less isn't important. It's just the example at

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time it seems to about 80% of kde-meta became part of @system. Prior to switching to that profile I think @system as about 150 packages. Today it's 389: 2stable ~ # emerge -epv @system These are the packages

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time it seems to about 80% of kde-meta became part of @system. SNIP I complained about KDE stuff being in the system set long ago.  It is

Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean

2011-06-07 Thread Dale
Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time it seems to about 80% of kde-meta became part of @system. SNIP I complained about KDE stuff being