Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-09-03 Thread Philip Webb
Thanks for the responses to my inquiry re how long systems stay up. My feeling for electronics is that equipment needs stability : temperature + humidity should not vary much & electrons need to flow thro' wires regularly. That suggests a machine will do better if left running. I don't like the

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-09-03 Thread Philip Webb
150903 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:32:52 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: >> Mick mentioned 'S3' = 'sleep' & 'S4' = 'hibernation' in this connection: >> what do they mean ? Do they correspond to saving to RAM/disk ? > Short answer: Yes > Long answer: >

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-09-03 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:32:52 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > I'm planning to build a new machine in the next few weeks, > so I also now plan to set it up to do suspend, hibernate etc ; > I've grabbed a few dox which explain what's involved. > Mick mentioned 'S3' = 'sleep' & 'S4' = 'hibernation' in

Re: [OT] Was re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-09-01 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 31 August 2015 16:39:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 31/08/2015 15:41, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I won't tell you what systems used a 24-bit processor and 12 or 16 KB of > > 2us core store backed by a 2MB disk (three feet in diameter), for fear of > > frightening you.;-) > > Nah, I

Re: [OT] Was re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 31/08/2015 15:41, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Monday 31 August 2015 11:42:28 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 31/08/2015 10:50, Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> The desktop machine I'm referring to (an Amari "workstation") dates from >>> 2009. It has an i5 processor, 16GB RAM* and two 2GB SSDs as the main

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 31/08/2015 10:50, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday 30 August 2015 18:26:49 Mick wrote: > >> Modern appliances with Green stickers on them (whatever they're called) are >> more efficient by design. To some extent this is also true with PCs. I >> still have an old Pentium 4 32bit running a

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-31 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 30 August 2015 18:26:49 Mick wrote: > Modern appliances with Green stickers on them (whatever they're called) are > more efficient by design. To some extent this is also true with PCs. I > still have an old Pentium 4 32bit running a couple of test environments and > back up storage.

Re: [OT] Was re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-31 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 31/08/2015 15:41, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Monday 31 August 2015 11:42:28 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 31/08/2015 10:50, Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> The desktop machine I'm referring to (an Amari "workstation") dates from >>> 2009. It has an i5 processor, 16GB RAM* and two 2GB SSDs as the main

[OT] Was re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-31 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 31 August 2015 11:42:28 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 31/08/2015 10:50, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > The desktop machine I'm referring to (an Amari "workstation") dates from > > 2009. It has an i5 processor, 16GB RAM* and two 2GB SSDs as the main > > power sinks. It sits (runs) in a boxroom 6ft

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2015 06:04, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Dale
cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest reason I shutdown, power failure. I use checkrestart to see if/when I need to restart something after doing updates. If for example I update something in the @system area, then I just logout of the GUI, go to boot

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 5:41 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/08/2015 06:04, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? Mine depends. I typically do a deliberate reboot only when wanting

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 18:05:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 19:00, Dale wrote: Don't forget the clothes dryer to, if you have one. Mine is electric and it pulls as much as my water heater does. I just don't use it as much is all. I forgot about that :-) Add in almost

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 18:05:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 19:00, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Terry Z.
I personally find it beneficial to backup to an online source locally or in an online storage service (as long as encryption incurs etc). DVD are indeed limited in life. You are still better off with other offline storage mediums such as an external hdd or tape indeed. I've found crashplans

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-30 00:04, Philip Webb a écrit : How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Philip. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start using it. I switch it off before going to bed, or going

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make a backup to external disk. I have a multi-tier strategy. Anything I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-30 11:56, Peter Humphrey a écrit : On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 08:54:16 Dale wrote: cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest reason I shutdown, power failure. I use checkrestart to see if/when I need to restart something after doing updates. If for example I update something in the

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.08.2015 um 06:04 schrieb Philip Webb: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 30.08.2015 um 15:26 schrieb Alan Mackenzie: Hello, Philip. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start using

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2015 17:24, Daniel Frey wrote: On 08/30/2015 06:24 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: As for shutdowns there are several arguments for and against. What often kills electronic is the shock between hot and cold so there is an argument about keeping the system on. Whether it is always safe to

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Technically, we should do a power down test every 6 months or so, but that turns out not to be a yes/no test in real life; it's a yes/destroy test and no-one wants to make a decision either way. So we all sit in

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 30/08/2015 19:00, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 30/08/2015 17:56, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to start

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 14:26:36 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Philip. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I switch my PC on in the morning when I want to

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself.

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Aug 2015 08:54:16 Dale wrote: cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest reason I shutdown, power failure. I use checkrestart to see if/when I need to restart something after doing updates. If for example I update something in the

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04:43AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I generally power off whenever I won't be using my desktop for more than 7-8 hours, since it has a big CPU, lots of RAM,

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-30 Thread Daniel Frey
On 08/30/2015 06:24 AM, Michel Catudal wrote: As for shutdowns there are several arguments for and against. What often kills electronic is the shock between hot and cold so there is an argument about keeping the system on. Whether it is always safe to keep the computer on all the time

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-29 Thread covici
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again

[gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-29 Thread Philip Webb
How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into delays getting my router

Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime

2015-08-29 Thread Dale
Philip Webb wrote: How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ? I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, then restarting after I've woken got going again myself. However recently, I've run into