Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-15 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/14/14 23:39, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: [snip] It means that openrc users should strongly consider migrate to eudev. I use eudev since its beta and never had any issue, nor systemd leaking into my system. And in addition add

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 6/14/2014 7:08 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The answer is *always in the ebuild and Changelog. I agree that, now that I know what and why, that it didn't rate a news item, but - especially with respect to anything related to the touchy subject of systemd/openrc - some

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-15 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/14/2014 2:15 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/14/2014 1:02 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-15 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 15/06/2014 16:48, Tanstaafl wrote: On 6/14/2014 7:08 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The answer is *always in the ebuild and Changelog. I agree that, now that I know what and why, that it didn't rate a news item, but - especially with respect to anything related to the

[gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Tanstaafl
Is this right? # eix udev ... [U] sys-fs/udev Available versions: 208-r1^t 212-r1^t ~213^t **^t {acl doc +firmware-loader gudev introspection +kmod selinux static-libs ABI_MIPS=n32 n64 o32 ABI_X86=32 64 x32} Installed versions: 208^t{tbz2}(03:30:13 PM 12/08/2013)(acl

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/06/2014 15:30, Tanstaafl wrote: Is this right? # eix udev ... [U] sys-fs/udev Available versions: 208-r1^t 212-r1^t ~213^t **^t {acl doc +firmware-loader gudev introspection +kmod selinux static-libs ABI_MIPS=n32 n64 o32 ABI_X86=32 64 x32} Installed versions:

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Tanstaafl
Thanks Alan, but... On 6/14/2014 10:16 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/06/2014 15:30, Tanstaafl wrote: This clearly shows the -openrc USE flag being applied. You read it wrong. The USE flag is not being applied it's being removed (the minus -), Well, I did include

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Ok, that explains the meaning of the (), but doesn't explain this *change* satisfactorily (to a non-coder at least)... *Why* was it removed/no longer needed? And why was it needed previously? Read the ChangeLog for

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Tanstaafl
On 6/14/2014 1:02 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: *Why* was it removed/no longer needed? And why was it needed previously? Read the ChangeLog for sys-fs/udev, specifically the entry on 03 Apr 2014.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: Still, for those of us who actually look at what is about to happen, and notice a change like this that could potentially cause boot problems (udev+openrc), it would be nice. I think it makes more sense to limit news

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/14/2014 1:02 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: *Why* was it removed/no longer needed? And why was it needed previously? Read

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Tanstaafl
On 6/14/2014 2:15 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/14/2014 1:02 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: *Why* was it removed/no

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/14/2014 2:15 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 6/14/2014 1:02 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: And in addition add the following at make.conf, as it seems that we are enforced to have files we never use. Hate to break the news to you, but by your definition you're enforced to have thousands of files you never use on

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Alon Bar-Lev
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: And in addition add the following at make.conf, as it seems that we are enforced to have files we never use. Hate to break the news to you, but by

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/06/2014 16:31, Tanstaafl wrote: Thanks Alan, but... On 6/14/2014 10:16 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/06/2014 15:30, Tanstaafl wrote: This clearly shows the -openrc USE flag being applied. You read it wrong. The USE flag is not being applied it's being removed

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The answer is *always in the ebuild and Changelog. Sometimes it's on Google too, but that is unreliable. In general the stance is supposed to be that if it doesn't have a news item, it shouldn't be a high-impact

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Joseph
On 06/14/14 23:39, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: [snip] It means that openrc users should strongly consider migrate to eudev. I use eudev since its beta and never had any issue, nor systemd leaking into my system. And in addition add the following at make.conf, as it seems that we are enforced to have

Re: [gentoo-user] udev upgrade 208 212-r1, openrc USE flag changed to disabled?

2014-06-14 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Alon Bar-Lev alo...@gentoo.org wrote: INSTALL_MASK=/lib/systemd /lib32/systemd /lib64/systemd /usr/lib/systemd /usr/lib32/systemd /usr/lib64/systemd /etc/systemd Warning to the reader: Please do not copy/paste this particular INSTALL_MASK setting. It may work