On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:56:16 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
Again, my *guess* is that with a *very* modern drive where the
manufacturers simply cannot squeeze any more data onto the platter,
that even the NSA would not be able to recover any data. But it may
be that is just what they /want/ us to
Stroller wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006, at 16:32, Alexander Skwar wrote:
Stroller wrote:
... a data recovery
specialist last year offered to return 17gigs worth of data from a
hard drive that had died containing only 8 gigs of files.
Died hard drives are a *COMPLETELY* different matter.
The
Stroller wrote:
On 1 Feb 2006, at 18:27, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote:
On Пнд, 2006-01-30 at 17:03 -0800, Grant wrote:
I've heard that data can be recovered from a formatted hard
diskIs it true?
Short answer for your question is... No. It's not true.
...
suppose you have deleted file.
Grant wrote:
Thanks Peter. That is quite contrary to what most of the other posts
in this thread are saying.
Too bad. But it's very much to what makes sense and what
I've heard.
Those are all just rumors and myths?
I'd say so, yes. Or do you have SOLID FACTS that they are
not rumors?
Dale wrote:
Grant wrote:
Thanks Peter. That is quite contrary to what most of the other posts
in this thread are saying. Those are all just rumors and myths?
- Grant
I think we all know it can be done.
No, we don't.
Governments do it all the time.
Data recevery people do it
Alexander Skwar wrote:
Dale wrote:
Grant wrote:
Thanks Peter. That is quite contrary to what most of the other posts
in this thread are saying. Those are all just rumors and myths?
- Grant
I think we all know it can be done.
No, we don't.
Yes, some of us
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:32:16 +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote:
Governments do it all the time.
Data recevery people do it too.
Do they? Why don't they advertise this?
For the same reason the British government sold Enigma machines to
Commonwealth countries for almost thirty years after they
On 2 Feb 2006, at 11:28, Alexander Skwar wrote:
This is not what normally (or at least, _always_) happens when you
format a hard-drive.
Well, depends on the definition of format. If you
define format as overwrite partition table, than
you're right. But that's hardly what I'd call format.
I
Dale wrote:
Alexander Skwar wrote:
Dale wrote:
Grant wrote:
I think we all know it can be done.
No, we don't.
Yes, some of us do.
Well, some believe it to be possible. But not we all do think
so and much less know it.
Data recevery people do it too.
Do they? Why don't they
Stroller wrote:
On 2 Feb 2006, at 11:28, Alexander Skwar wrote:
This is not what normally (or at least, _always_) happens when you
format a hard-drive.
Well, depends on the definition of format. If you
define format as overwrite partition table, than
you're right. But that's hardly what
All very interesting, the fact is that a hard drive is a physical
medium and the magnetic field is very malleable. It is very possible
to recover the data even if some random trash has been written over
it. The way hard drives use elaborate algorithyms to 'guess' the
contents with huge accuracy
I think it's safe to say that none of us really knows what resources
are available to certain organizations to aid in data forensics.
I have personal experience with data recovery, at least peripherally.
A company I worked for was the subject of an attack by a disgruntled
ex-employee who
Iain Buchanan wrote:
They both rely on the fact that you can read what _was_ once written to
the hard drive by examining the spaces. So that's one method.
Yes, in theory that might be possible - but how comes, that not
even the data recovery companies advertise this? And also, do
you have
Almost everyone seems to agree that recovering data from a formatted
drive is possible. What is the process by which this is done? I've
read here that:
1. The space between tracks contains historical data information.
and:
2. There is a difference between a track written with a
On 2/1/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Iain Buchanan wrote:
They both rely on the fact that you can read what _was_ once written to
the hard drive by examining the spaces. So that's one method.
Yes, in theory that might be possible - but how comes, that not
even the data
On Пнд, 2006-01-30 at 17:03 -0800, Grant wrote:
I've heard that data can be recovered from a formatted hard
disk. Lucky for me I don't have any interest in actually doing this,
but I got in an argue\ment with a buddy last night about whether or
not it was possible. I'm sure I've read that
On 31 Jan 2006, at 13:19, Schleimer, Ben wrote:
I understand that writing zeros over the file should permanently
delete the data but couldn't the data be cached elsewhere on the
drive...
On 31 Jan 2006, at 13:31, Schleimer, Ben wrote:
I just read the docs for shred and it doesn't
On 31 Jan 2006, at 16:32, Alexander Skwar wrote:
Stroller wrote:
... a data recovery
specialist last year offered to return 17gigs worth of data from a
hard drive that had died containing only 8 gigs of files.
Died hard drives are a *COMPLETELY* different matter.
The additional 9gigs of
I've heard that data can be recovered from a formatted hard
disk. Lucky for me I don't have any interest in actually doing this,
but I got in an argue\ment with a buddy last night about whether or
not it was possible. I'm sure I've read that the government and other
well-funded
Grant wrote:
Thanks Peter. That is quite contrary to what most of the other posts
in this thread are saying. Those are all just rumors and myths?
- Grant
I think we all know it can be done. Governments do it all the time.
Data recevery people do it too. Years ago I worked at a
On 2/1/06, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Peter. That is quite contrary to what most of the other posts
in this thread are saying. Those are all just rumors and myths?
I think for what would be available for you, me, or ${megacorp} to
use, yes, it is rumor and myth. As I mentioned
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 07:27 +, Stroller wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006, at 01:03, Grant wrote:
Hello! I've heard that data can be recovered from a formatted hard
disk.
Yes, it's fairly trivial, for someone who cares enough to try, to
retrieve data from a disk that's merely been formatted.
Iain Buchanan wrote:
I've heard of government departments filing down the old HD's into
little pieces, then mixing them in cement for the next building project.
Could be an urban legend though.
All of the above is subject to my own bad memory :)
I have heard the same thing. I have
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 06:56 -0600, Dale wrote:
Iain Buchanan wrote:
I've heard of government departments filing down the old HD's into
little pieces, then mixing them in cement for the next building project.
Could be an urban legend though.
All of the above is subject to my own bad
the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it. - Brian W. Kernighan
- Original Message
From: Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Tue 31 Jan 2006 02:56:25 PM IST
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Recovering data from a formatted
Iain Buchanan wrote:
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 06:56 -0600, Dale wrote:
Iain Buchanan wrote:
I have heard the same thing. I have watched some of them on TV get data
off some unbelievable drives. Some had bent platters, serious
scratches, been formatted a few times etc etc etc, After
On 1/31/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you shred or wipe the data (run random data over the disk many
times, with a bit of magic formulas thrown in) then apparently the FBI /
CIA / KGB / WTFC has a magnetic data recovery tool to see what bit was
written before the current bit
Someone will know (I don't) what the density is on a modern platter.
The highest density platters today are close to 100Gbit / square inch.
So no, you won't see the bits with the naked eye!
-Richard
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Grant wrote:
Hello! I've heard that data can be recovered from a formatted hard
disk.
Were did you hear that? I've got a hard time
believing that - as long as a format is somewhat
like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda.
Lucky for me I don't have any interest in actually doing this,
but I got in
Stroller wrote:
On 31 Jan 2006, at 01:03, Grant wrote:
Hello! I've heard that data can be recovered from a formatted hard
disk.
Yes, it's fairly trivial, for someone who cares enough to try, to
retrieve data from a disk that's merely been formatted.
Oh, is it? Please explain how!
On 31 January 2006 15:19, Schleimer, Ben wrote:
I understand that writing zeros over the file should permenately delete the
data
Don't believe people telling that. The data will still be recoverable (with
the right hardware). That is so because overwriting a 0 with a 0 will
lead to another
I understand that writing zeros over the file should permenately delete the
data
Don't believe people telling that. The data will still be recoverable (with
the right hardware). That is so because overwriting a 0 with a 0 will
lead to another level of manetic field than overwriting a 1
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 17:39 -0800, Grant wrote:
Almost everyone seems to agree that recovering data from a formatted
drive is possible. What is the process by which this is done? I've
read here that:
1. The space between tracks contains historical data information.
and:
2. There is
Uwe Thiem wrote:
On 31 January 2006 15:19, Schleimer, Ben wrote:
I understand that writing zeros over the file should permenately delete the
data
Don't believe people telling that.
Why not? I would believe those people.
The data will still be recoverable
Will it? Why is it, that there
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 01:03, Grant wrote:
Hello! I've heard that data can be recovered from a formatted hard
disk. Lucky for me I don't have any interest in actually doing this,
but I got in an argue\ment with a buddy last night about whether or
not it was possible. I'm sure I've read
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