[gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Yes, for my usage (2 user home network) mbox is superior. But of >> course we are now into the slippery ground of opinion. For me its >> simpler and more tools recognize it by default. Such as mutt and a >> number of home written perl scripts and etc. >> > > OK I understand now that you are not floundering in the dark, or > jumping in where angels fear etc. > > Recompiling without the maildir USE flag and with the mbox flag > should help, as already discussed. Having said that I have never > done it, don't use sendmail and am wedded top maildir for the > moment. Good luck :-) Thanks, I think I may understand how to do it now.. from the input in this thread. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
Bjoern Michaelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:28:48PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: >> Yes, for my usage (2 user home network) mbox is superior. But of >> course we are now into the slippery ground of opinion. For me its >> simpler and more tools recognize it by default. Such as mutt and a >> number of home written perl scripts and etc. > Well, we are on a slippery ground indeed, but mutt works perfectly with > maildir, when the maildir USE-Flags is set ... Bjoern, thanks for you major contributions on this thread... very helpfull. Now about that slippery ground... > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . but mutt works perfectly with > maildir That is of course not by default as I stipulated. That is, mutt comes from mutt developers in a release pkg. That pkg understands mbox with no tweaking (by default) not maildir or some other formats. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:28:48PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: > Yes, for my usage (2 user home network) mbox is superior. But of > course we are now into the slippery ground of opinion. For me its > simpler and more tools recognize it by default. Such as mutt and a > number of home written perl scripts and etc. Well, we are on a slippery ground indeed, but mutt works perfectly with maildir, when the maildir USE-Flags is set ... Greetz, BjÃrn -- BjÃrn Michaelsen pub 1024D/C9E5A256 2003-01-21 BjÃrn Michaelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Key fingerprint = D649 8C78 1CB1 23CF 5CCF CA1A C1B5 BBEC C9E5 A256 pgpT9rHMqqtwJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:18:53PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
> assumes a user will know more than I do. For example:
>
> There appear to be a set of default use flags with various pkgs. In
> the instant case... sendmail.
This is from man make.conf:
USEE_ORDER = "env:pkg:conf:auto:defaults"
Determines precedence for incrementing the setting of the USE
variable. The above setting will cause the environment (env) to
override per package (pkg) settings to override make.conf (conf)
to override auto generated values from merged packages (auto) to
override make.defaults (defaults).
***warning***
Do not modify this value unless you're a developer and you know
what you're doing. If you change this and something breaks, we
will not help you fix it.
Defaults to "env:pkg:conf:auto:defaults".
So these are the possible sources for USE-Flags.
>
> How does one learn what those are?
> Just: `equery uses sendmail', or does that show what was actually
> used not just what the defaults are?
>
> Further... if a user adds or subtracts a use flage like this:
>
> cat /etc/portage/sendmail.use:
>
> mail-mta/sendmail +mbox +mailwrapper +sasl
There is *one* file /etc/portage/package.use for all packages. Files like
/etc/portage/${INSERTPKGNAMEHERE}.use are ignored. This is why your changes
didnt show up in the equery output.
Greetz, BjÃrn
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
Check out the gentoo web site docs under use flags. On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Harry Putnam wrote: Bjoern Michaelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Snip man portage shows some of the syntax for `package.use' but apparently assumes a user will know more than I do. For example: There appear to be a set of default use flags with various pkgs. In the instant case... sendmail. How does one learn what those are? Just: `equery uses sendmail', or does that show what was actually used not just what the defaults are? Further... if a user adds or subtracts a use flage like this: cat /etc/portage/sendmail.use: mail-mta/sendmail +mbox +mailwrapper +sasl How will user now which other flags will be used? Or must they also be specified here? None of the flags that appear when I run: `equery uses sendmail' are listed in: /etc/make.profile/make.defaults So where do they come from? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:28:48 -0500 Harry Putnam wrote: > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Before you go recompiling anything, or changing your configs, tell us > > what is your local delivery agent (LDA)? > > I'm using procmail. I've written the *.mc to include it and certain > other things. I now how to setup procmail to do what I want and ahve > used it for years. However, there are times when I want to remove > ~/.procmailrc for sometest or other and just allow mail to be > delivered to default spool. > > > Many setups do not have sendmail or postfix actually delivering > > local mail, they pass it off to procmail or similar. If procmail is > > delivering yourr mail, you need to change procmail, not sendmail. > > Yes, as is the case here. But as explained above. I want to change > sendmail not procmail. I have no need or desire to default to > ~/.maildir and in fact it interferes with my method of testing since I'm > very familiar with mbox or /var/mail/ delivery accumulated quite a > number of hand written tools an scripts based on mbox format. > > > Also are you sure you really want to go to mbox? it is in most ways > > inferior. > > Yes, for my usage (2 user home network) mbox is superior. But of > course we are now into the slippery ground of opinion. For me its > simpler and more tools recognize it by default. Such as mutt and a > number of home written perl scripts and etc. > OK I understand now that you are not floundering in the dark, or jumping in where angels fear etc. Recompiling without the maildir USE flag and with the mbox flag should help, as already discussed. Having said that I have never done it, don't use sendmail and am wedded top maildir for the moment. Good luck :-) > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Before you go recompiling anything, or changing your configs, tell us > what is your local delivery agent (LDA)? I'm using procmail. I've written the *.mc to include it and certain other things. I now how to setup procmail to do what I want and ahve used it for years. However, there are times when I want to remove ~/.procmailrc for sometest or other and just allow mail to be delivered to default spool. > Many setups do not have sendmail or postfix actually delivering > local mail, they pass it off to procmail or similar. If procmail is > delivering yourr mail, you need to change procmail, not sendmail. Yes, as is the case here. But as explained above. I want to change sendmail not procmail. I have no need or desire to default to ~/.maildir and in fact it interferes with my method of testing since I'm very familiar with mbox or /var/mail/ delivery accumulated quite a number of hand written tools an scripts based on mbox format. > Also are you sure you really want to go to mbox? it is in most ways > inferior. Yes, for my usage (2 user home network) mbox is superior. But of course we are now into the slippery ground of opinion. For me its simpler and more tools recognize it by default. Such as mutt and a number of home written perl scripts and etc. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
Bjoern Michaelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Harry: >> I'm still just learning the emerge/portage setup so not really sure >> how to redo that. Does one have to change basic USE flag setting Bjoern: > vi /etc/make.conf; emerge -va --newuse world Harry: >> somewhere or can they be set at emerge time? Bjoern > vi /etc/portage/package.use; emerge package Harry: >> If so can you show a simple example? Bjoern: > see "man portage", "man emerge" and the gentoo handbook for more info. man portage shows some of the syntax for `package.use' but apparently assumes a user will know more than I do. For example: There appear to be a set of default use flags with various pkgs. In the instant case... sendmail. How does one learn what those are? Just: `equery uses sendmail', or does that show what was actually used not just what the defaults are? Further... if a user adds or subtracts a use flage like this: cat /etc/portage/sendmail.use: mail-mta/sendmail +mbox +mailwrapper +sasl How will user now which other flags will be used? Or must they also be specified here? None of the flags that appear when I run: `equery uses sendmail' are listed in: /etc/make.profile/make.defaults So where do they come from? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:39:02 -0500 Harry Putnam wrote: > Robert S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I don't know if this is relevant, but you can compile sendmail with or > > without the mbox USE flag - I think that that determines whether mail > > goes to maildir or not: > > [...] > > Appears to be very relevant ... thanks. My use flag for mbox was > - - mbox : Adds support for mbox (/var/spool/mail) style mail spools> > So, apparently that is my problem. > > I'm still just learning the emerge/portage setup so not really sure > how to redo that. Does one have to change basic USE flag setting > somewhere or can they be set at emerge time? > > If so can you show a simple example? Before you go recompiling anything, or changing your configs, tell us what is your local delivery agent (LDA)? Many setups do not have sendmail or postfix actually delivering local mail, they pass it off to procmail or similar. If procmail is delivering yourr mail, you need to change procmail, not sendmail. Also are you sure you really want to go to mbox? it is in most ways inferior. > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:39:02PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: > Robert S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I don't know if this is relevant, but you can compile sendmail with or > > without the mbox USE flag - I think that that determines whether mail > > goes to maildir or not: > > [...] > > Appears to be very relevant ... thanks. My use flag for mbox was > - - mbox : Adds support for mbox (/var/spool/mail) style mail spools> > So, apparently that is my problem. > > I'm still just learning the emerge/portage setup so not really sure > how to redo that. Does one have to change basic USE flag setting vi /etc/make.conf; emerge -va --newuse world > somewhere or can they be set at emerge time? vi /etc/portage/package.use; emerge package > If so can you show a simple example? see "man portage", "man emerge" and the gentoo handbook for more info. Greetz, BjÃrn -- BjÃrn Michaelsen pub 1024D/C9E5A256 2003-01-21 BjÃrn Michaelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Key fingerprint = D649 8C78 1CB1 23CF 5CCF CA1A C1B5 BBEC C9E5 A256 pgpFtT07dk0iV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
You can set use flags in /etc/make.conf if you want them to apply to everything otherwise check out man portage and /etc/portage/package.* files. On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Harry Putnam wrote: Robert S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I don't know if this is relevant, but you can compile sendmail with or without the mbox USE flag - I think that that determines whether mail goes to maildir or not: [...] Appears to be very relevant ... thanks. My use flag for mbox was - - mbox : Adds support for mbox (/var/spool/mail) style mail spools> So, apparently that is my problem. I'm still just learning the emerge/portage setup so not really sure how to redo that. Does one have to change basic USE flag setting somewhere or can they be set at emerge time? If so can you show a simple example? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
Robert S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't know if this is relevant, but you can compile sendmail with or > without the mbox USE flag - I think that that determines whether mail > goes to maildir or not: [...] Appears to be very relevant ... thanks. My use flag for mbox was - - mbox : Adds support for mbox (/var/spool/mail) style mail spools> So, apparently that is my problem. I'm still just learning the emerge/portage setup so not really sure how to redo that. Does one have to change basic USE flag setting somewhere or can they be set at emerge time? If so can you show a simple example? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
