Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
Thanks, I'll check what emerge got, & fix if/as needed. Re ATI-drivers, there's a petition :: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-27729-0.html&highlight= Might want to add your sig to it, & convince other Linux people to. I love ATI, and they were the original linux-supporting vendor. I would guess they got laze because too little saled from linux community -- now we need to convince them that now there *is* enough to be worth their time, *if* the drivers are *good*. rgh. Richard Fish wrote: Well...I don't know what to tell you. I updated to the newest driver and it supported xorg. My computer is unfortunately down so I can't really tell you what version is installed (argh). It *does* support xorg, though. I *know* I was running xorg-x11. Ati-drivers-8.10.19 is current, and I also have used them with xorg-x11, although I can't remember if that was with x.org 6.8.0 or 6.8.2. I don't use them currently though, and my opinion of ATI's supposed linux support not really fit for print. Suffice to say my next laptop will have Intel or NVidia graphics. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
Inlined, with snips where appropriate. Justin Patrin wrote: 1) 'startx' fails, and the Xorg log states that fglrx requires Xfree86, thus why I think this; did I miss something? Or are there two versions of fglrx., one for each Xorg & Xfree86? Bottom line, do you happen to know the correct version for emerge's Xorg on k-2.6.11-g-r4 or something near-by? Well...I don't know what to tell you. I updated to the newest driver and it supported xorg. My computer is unfortunately down so I can't really tell you what version is installed (argh). It *does* support xorg, though. I *know* I was running xorg-x11. I found more info, thus new things to try until I get it right (maybe I'm holding my mouth the wrong way?). If it is there, I will find it, probably "with a little help from my friends"! 2) '-x86'; please specify where in what you mean; part of 'created fixes' was stage3 from universalCD, and ended up building everything new as -march=athlon-xp? Did I do a 'goofus, Rufus, you doofus' here? Maybe I need to rebuild *everyting* (...human...)? You never need to rebuild everything unless you goofed up your arch or cpu, in which case you're very likely to be screwed. By ~x86 I meant did you try the unstable version of the ati driver? To do this you need to add an entry in the /etc/portage/package.keywords file (I think). Sorry, again my server is down so I don't have the exact line. Check the portage usage manual pages for more. I don't *think* I did that -- if I did, then the instruction need improving, badly! <...re-run the config program...> Urgh!; Well, I can go looking, & if so maybe I can find a way to deal with that, too... Thank you for _that_ warning; I'll be prepared if I can ever get that far. Yeah...it's a pain. But perhaps *I* was doing something wrong. ;-) I doubt it, yours worked! Thanks again!, rgh. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
>Well...I don't know what to tell you. I updated to the newest driver >and it supported xorg. My computer is unfortunately down so I can't >really tell you what version is installed (argh). It *does* support >xorg, though. I *know* I was running xorg-x11. > > Ati-drivers-8.10.19 is current, and I also have used them with xorg-x11, although I can't remember if that was with x.org 6.8.0 or 6.8.2. I don't use them currently though, and my opinion of ATI's supposed linux support not really fit for print. Suffice to say my next laptop will have Intel or NVidia graphics. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
On Apr 4, 2005 6:52 PM, Robert G. Hays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Replies inlined...
>
> Justin Patrin wrote:
>
> >On Apr 4, 2005 5:58 PM, Robert G. Hays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Thank you for the reply!
> >>
> >>The problem is to date, I cannot get Xorg to go to a higher resolution
> >>than 640x480, and only acknolwedges one of the two monitors (uselessly
> >>duplicates teh one monitor onto the other, which is the power-on default
> >>for the card.
> >>
> >>I was trying to find any such while running Gentoo, but no framebeffer,
> >>either, and so far Gentoo does not like my ps/2 trackbball-mouse, so I
> >>had no luck. Today I have booted Win98SE, and am just about to go
> >>looking again where I can *see* something besides all those lovely
> >>serifs in 80x25 mode. And I have spent the last 7, repeat, *seven*
> >>entire days trying to get Gentoo installed.
> >>
> >>What I need is 10x7 + 10x7, or better yet 12x10 + 10x7, either as one
> >>large desltop or as two separate desktops, preferrably switchable by
> >>momentarily zapping X & issuing one command from the tt, probably just
> >>swappping between two X*.conf's.
> >>
> >>I did try the Gentoo fglrx driver & config, but after emerging it, I
> >>found out that this is still Xfree86-only, so I can't use it under Xorg.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I don't know why you think this...the fglrx and config program work
> >fine for xorg since a little while ago. The first version I used I had
> >to change some conf settings (found on a howto), but the latest
> >version I had installed created a conf that worked fine in xorg. Did
> >you try ~x86?
> >
> 1) 'startx' fails, and the Xorg log states that fglrx requires Xfree86,
> thus why I think this; did I miss something? Or are there two versions
> of fglrx., one for each Xorg & Xfree86? emerge coulda got da wrong
> one, I s'pose... ("whatever the computer did, was whatever it darned
> jolly well wanted to", but on top of that, yeah, I do claim to be human,
> with all that that implies...)
> Bottom line, do you happen to know the correct version for emerge's Xorg
> on k-2.6.11-g-r4 or something near-by?
Well...I don't know what to tell you. I updated to the newest driver
and it supported xorg. My computer is unfortunately down so I can't
really tell you what version is installed (argh). It *does* support
xorg, though. I *know* I was running xorg-x11.
>
> 2) '-x86'; please specify where in what you mean; part of 'created
> fixes' was stage3 from universalCD, and ended up building everything new
> as -march=athlon-xp? Did I do a 'goofus, Rufus, you doofus' here?
> Maybe I need to rebuild *everyting* (...human...)?
You never need to rebuild everything unless you goofed up your arch or
cpu, in which case you're very likely to be screwed.
By ~x86 I meant did you try the unstable version of the ati driver? To
do this you need to add an entry in the /etc/portage/package.keywords
file (I think). Sorry, again my server is down so I don't have the
exact line. Check the portage usage manual pages for more.
>
> >
> >Also, I noticed that switching between the conf files didn't seem to
> >work. I think the config program may make some other changes (perhaps
> >some /proc stuff?) which forced me to re-run the config program if I
> >wanted to change my configuration.
> >
> <...re-run the config program...> Urgh!; Well, I can go looking, & if
> so maybe I can find a way to deal with that, too...
> Thank you for _that_ warning; I'll be prepared if I can ever get that far.
Yeah...it's a pain. But perhaps *I* was doing something wrong. ;-)
>
> Thanks again!,
> rgh.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >>So, I need a full-feature driver that runs under Xorg, or I need the
> >>Xfree86 system installed.
> >>
> >>Any thoughts?
> >>
>
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
--
Justin Patrin
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
(Leaving all text intact for others to find all in one place.) Walter Thank You! This sounds very like what I am looking for for the consoles (though I would prefer longer lines). *And* it sounds like it won't mess with X. If I can't get X & said wider console both working, I'll certainly try this. May even try it next time I boot Gentoo (in win now...) to ease the rest of the install work. Also printing this! ( B.T.W., Matir in LinuxQuestion.org provided an ATI-X link :: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ATI_Drivers that looks hopeful; checking now. ) Thank You!, Robert G. Hays. Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 06:49:02PM -0400, Robert G. Hays wrote Tty's are still 80x25, & that's after a **LOT** of work. I really need this fixed too, I'll tackle this part. SVGATextMode is an absolute pain to get right. And you don't really need it for a nice crisp 80x48 (YES!) text display. First, make sure that you've enabled alternate text modes to begin with. The "make menuconfig" path is... Device Drivers ---> Graphics support ---> Console display driver support ---> [*] Video mode selection support You *MUST* have "Video mode selection support" enabled. If it's not enabled, do so now. Next step is to put "vga=6" into lilo or grub. When you reboot, you'll end up in the alternate VGA text mode, which is 640 pixels across by 480 scanlines. "vga=6" loads the crummy 8x8 CGA fonts. This gives... 640 x 480 - = 80 x 60 8 x 8 Lots of lines, but murder on my eyes. Rather than 8 x 8 CGA, I prefer the following option in /etc/rc.conf CONSOLEFONT="lat1-10" This invokes an 8 x 10 font, which gives... 640 x 480 - = 80 x 48 8 x 10 Because of the extra 25% vertical detail, this gives a *MUCH* more readable display than "vga=1" 80 x 50 mode, which uses CGA 8 x 8 fonts on the default 640 x 400 VGA mode. For more details see my webpage... http://www.waltdnes.org/tips_and_tricks/textmodes.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 06:49:02PM -0400, Robert G. Hays wrote > Tty's are still 80x25, & that's after a **LOT** of work. I really > need this fixed too, I'll tackle this part. SVGATextMode is an absolute pain to get right. And you don't really need it for a nice crisp 80x48 (YES!) text display. First, make sure that you've enabled alternate text modes to begin with. The "make menuconfig" path is... Device Drivers ---> Graphics support ---> Console display driver support ---> [*] Video mode selection support You *MUST* have "Video mode selection support" enabled. If it's not enabled, do so now. Next step is to put "vga=6" into lilo or grub. When you reboot, you'll end up in the alternate VGA text mode, which is 640 pixels across by 480 scanlines. "vga=6" loads the crummy 8x8 CGA fonts. This gives... 640 x 480 - = 80 x 60 8 x 8 Lots of lines, but murder on my eyes. Rather than 8 x 8 CGA, I prefer the following option in /etc/rc.conf CONSOLEFONT="lat1-10" This invokes an 8 x 10 font, which gives... 640 x 480 - = 80 x 48 8 x 10 Because of the extra 25% vertical detail, this gives a *MUCH* more readable display than "vga=1" 80 x 50 mode, which uses CGA 8 x 8 fonts on the default 640 x 400 VGA mode. For more details see my webpage... http://www.waltdnes.org/tips_and_tricks/textmodes.html -- Walter Dnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
Replies inlined...
Justin Patrin wrote:
On Apr 4, 2005 5:58 PM, Robert G. Hays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you for the reply!
The problem is to date, I cannot get Xorg to go to a higher resolution
than 640x480, and only acknolwedges one of the two monitors (uselessly
duplicates teh one monitor onto the other, which is the power-on default
for the card.
I was trying to find any such while running Gentoo, but no framebeffer,
either, and so far Gentoo does not like my ps/2 trackbball-mouse, so I
had no luck. Today I have booted Win98SE, and am just about to go
looking again where I can *see* something besides all those lovely
serifs in 80x25 mode. And I have spent the last 7, repeat, *seven*
entire days trying to get Gentoo installed.
What I need is 10x7 + 10x7, or better yet 12x10 + 10x7, either as one
large desltop or as two separate desktops, preferrably switchable by
momentarily zapping X & issuing one command from the tt, probably just
swappping between two X*.conf's.
I did try the Gentoo fglrx driver & config, but after emerging it, I
found out that this is still Xfree86-only, so I can't use it under Xorg.
I don't know why you think this...the fglrx and config program work
fine for xorg since a little while ago. The first version I used I had
to change some conf settings (found on a howto), but the latest
version I had installed created a conf that worked fine in xorg. Did
you try ~x86?
1) 'startx' fails, and the Xorg log states that fglrx requires Xfree86,
thus why I think this; did I miss something? Or are there two versions
of fglrx., one for each Xorg & Xfree86? emerge coulda got da wrong
one, I s'pose... ("whatever the computer did, was whatever it darned
jolly well wanted to", but on top of that, yeah, I do claim to be human,
with all that that implies...)
Bottom line, do you happen to know the correct version for emerge's Xorg
on k-2.6.11-g-r4 or something near-by?
2) '-x86'; please specify where in what you mean; part of 'created
fixes' was stage3 from universalCD, and ended up building everything new
as -march=athlon-xp? Did I do a 'goofus, Rufus, you doofus' here?
Maybe I need to rebuild *everyting* (...human...)?
Also, I noticed that switching between the conf files didn't seem to
work. I think the config program may make some other changes (perhaps
some /proc stuff?) which forced me to re-run the config program if I
wanted to change my configuration.
<...re-run the config program...> Urgh!; Well, I can go looking, & if
so maybe I can find a way to deal with that, too...
Thank you for _that_ warning; I'll be prepared if I can ever get that far.
Thanks again!,
rgh.
So, I need a full-feature driver that runs under Xorg, or I need the
Xfree86 system installed.
Any thoughts?
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
On Apr 4, 2005 5:58 PM, Robert G. Hays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for the reply! > > The problem is to date, I cannot get Xorg to go to a higher resolution > than 640x480, and only acknolwedges one of the two monitors (uselessly > duplicates teh one monitor onto the other, which is the power-on default > for the card. > > I was trying to find any such while running Gentoo, but no framebeffer, > either, and so far Gentoo does not like my ps/2 trackbball-mouse, so I > had no luck. Today I have booted Win98SE, and am just about to go > looking again where I can *see* something besides all those lovely > serifs in 80x25 mode. And I have spent the last 7, repeat, *seven* > entire days trying to get Gentoo installed. > > What I need is 10x7 + 10x7, or better yet 12x10 + 10x7, either as one > large desltop or as two separate desktops, preferrably switchable by > momentarily zapping X & issuing one command from the tt, probably just > swappping between two X*.conf's. > > I did try the Gentoo fglrx driver & config, but after emerging it, I > found out that this is still Xfree86-only, so I can't use it under Xorg. I don't know why you think this...the fglrx and config program work fine for xorg since a little while ago. The first version I used I had to change some conf settings (found on a howto), but the latest version I had installed created a conf that worked fine in xorg. Did you try ~x86? Also, I noticed that switching between the conf files didn't seem to work. I think the config program may make some other changes (perhaps some /proc stuff?) which forced me to re-run the config program if I wanted to change my configuration. > > So, I need a full-feature driver that runs under Xorg, or I need the > Xfree86 system installed. > > Any thoughts? > > Thansk, > rgh. > > (And I am *very* computer knowledgeable, and a professional programmer > for ~18 years. I can usually do anything needed by myself. But let's > just say that I found a lot of things to fix to install Gentoo. Why? I > don't know, but I did create fixes for all up to here so far. Which is > by way of explaining why I was 'shouting'. If I can ever get Gentoo > working to my needs, it looks to be the greatest thing since sliced > bread, but meanwhile, I am getting a little behind in my income, and I > can't afford much more of this; and I am just about to have to give up > on linux & go back to Windows, which crashes about ever 30 minutes, and > *hope* that I can install yet more software so I can do this new project.) > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- Justin Patrin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
Thank you for the reply! The problem is to date, I cannot get Xorg to go to a higher resolution than 640x480, and only acknolwedges one of the two monitors (uselessly duplicates teh one monitor onto the other, which is the power-on default for the card. I was trying to find any such while running Gentoo, but no framebeffer, either, and so far Gentoo does not like my ps/2 trackbball-mouse, so I had no luck. Today I have booted Win98SE, and am just about to go looking again where I can *see* something besides all those lovely serifs in 80x25 mode. And I have spent the last 7, repeat, *seven* entire days trying to get Gentoo installed. What I need is 10x7 + 10x7, or better yet 12x10 + 10x7, either as one large desltop or as two separate desktops, preferrably switchable by momentarily zapping X & issuing one command from the tt, probably just swappping between two X*.conf's. I did try the Gentoo fglrx driver & config, but after emerging it, I found out that this is still Xfree86-only, so I can't use it under Xorg. So, I need a full-feature driver that runs under Xorg, or I need the Xfree86 system installed. Any thoughts? Thansk, rgh. (And I am *very* computer knowledgeable, and a professional programmer for ~18 years. I can usually do anything needed by myself. But let's just say that I found a lot of things to fix to install Gentoo. Why? I don't know, but I did create fixes for all up to here so far. Which is by way of explaining why I was 'shouting'. If I can ever get Gentoo working to my needs, it looks to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but meanwhile, I am getting a little behind in my income, and I can't afford much more of this; and I am just about to have to give up on linux & go back to Windows, which crashes about ever 30 minutes, and *hope* that I can install yet more software so I can do this new project.) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
please stop shouting, what precisely is the question? if you want your ATI card sorted, why do we have to be bombarded with info on your router and partitioning? On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:49:02 -0400 Robert G. Hays wrote: > -- Nick Rout -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
