Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu

2012-08-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:43:44 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: It's easy enough: its = belonging to it; it's = it is/was/has. The apostrophe denotes a missing letter or two, not possession. The confusion arises because, when used with a name, an apostrophe is needed for a possessive. Of course, if

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

2012-08-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:11:37 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: I have one of those. But I decided to stick with traditional DOS partitioning style and grub instead of GPT and grub2. I am leaning toward traditional partitioning, but with grub2. Do those two not mix well? GRUB2 works fine

[gentoo-user] Sandbox vs userpriv

2012-08-13 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
What's the disadvantage of compiling in sandbox instead of compiling directly with userpriv?

[gentoo-user] Re: Sandbox vs userpriv

2012-08-13 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Aug 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: What's the disadvantage of compiling in sandbox instead of compiling directly with userpriv? *advantage

Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu

2012-08-13 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12.08.2012 05:10, Dale wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: All of that is the OS, not grub which is in the MBR I think. emerge grub-static and then do the install as per the boot loader instructions in the manual. It will likely work fine then. Good

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sandbox vs userpriv

2012-08-13 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13.08.2012 10:50, Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Aug 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: What's the disadvantage of compiling in sandbox instead of compiling directly with userpriv? *advantage I think the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sandbox vs userpriv

2012-08-13 Thread Dale
Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: On Aug 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan cont...@nileshgr.com mailto:cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: What's the disadvantage of compiling in sandbox instead of compiling directly with userpriv? *advantage I found this:

Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hampicke
As far as I recall the issues are with 64 bit nomultilib only. I think I used grub-legacy on amd64 multilib without issues, though I'm not sure since I use grub2 since 1.98 came out (without issues, by the way) You are correct. On a no-multilib 64 bit system you cannot compile grub:1 - you

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sandbox vs userpriv

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Nilesh Govindrajan cont...@nileshgr.comwrote: On Aug 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: What's the disadvantage of compiling in sandbox instead of compiling directly with userpriv? *advantage If you do things like parallel

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:11:37 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: I have one of those. But I decided to stick with traditional DOS partitioning style and grub instead of GPT and grub2. I am leaning toward traditional

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

2012-08-13 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Mon, Aug 13 2012, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:11:37 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: GRUB2 works fine with MBR partition tables. But if you're starting from scratch, you may as well use GPT and get rid of the legacy MBR limitations and fragility. OK, but what about EFI? That

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

2012-08-13 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Sun, Aug 12 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:11:37 -0400 Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Fri, Aug 10 2012, Alan McKinnon wrote: You also don't need an IO scheduler - ssd access is random like RAM, no heads moving in and out so no sector ordering to worry

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

2012-08-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:17:23 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: GRUB2 works fine with MBR partition tables. But if you're starting from scratch, you may as well use GPT and get rid of the legacy MBR limitations and fragility. I'm not dissing GPT...but what's fragile about MBR? The MBR

[gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hampicke
Howdy gentooers, I am looking for a filesystem that perfomes well for a cache directory. Here's some data on that dir: - cache for prescaled images files + metadata files - nested directory structure ( 20/2022/202231/*files* ) - about 20GB - 100.000 directories - about 2 million files The system

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sandbox vs userpriv

2012-08-13 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Mon 13 Aug 2012 05:37:27 PM IST, Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Nilesh Govindrajan cont...@nileshgr.com mailto:cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: On Aug 13, 2012 2:19 PM, Nilesh Govindrajan cont...@nileshgr.com mailto:cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: What's the

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Mon 13 Aug 2012 06:46:53 PM IST, Michael Hampicke wrote: Howdy gentooers, I am looking for a filesystem that perfomes well for a cache directory. Here's some data on that dir: - cache for prescaled images files + metadata files - nested directory structure ( 20/2022/202231/*files* ) - about

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hampicke
You should have a look at xfs. I used to use ext4 earlier, traversing through /usr/portage used to be very slow. When I switched xfs, speed increased drastically. This might be kind of unrelated, but makes sense. I guess traversing through directories may be faster with XFS, but in my

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Aug 13, 2012 9:01 PM, Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.com wrote: You should have a look at xfs. I used to use ext4 earlier, traversing through /usr/portage used to be very slow. When I switched xfs, speed increased drastically. This might be kind of unrelated, but makes sense. I

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Daniel Troeder
On 13.08.2012 15:16, Michael Hampicke wrote: - about 20GB - 100.000 directories - about 2 million files The system has 2x Intel Xon Quad-cores (Nehalem), 16GB of RAM and two 10.000rpm hard drives running a RAID1. 1st thought: switch to SSDs 2nd thought: maybe lots of writes? - get a SSD for

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Dale
Michael Hampicke wrote: You should have a look at xfs. I used to use ext4 earlier, traversing through /usr/portage used to be very slow. When I switched xfs, speed increased drastically. This might be kind of unrelated, but makes sense. I guess traversing through

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hampicke
Have you indexed your ext4 partition? # tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/your_partition # e2fsck -D /dev/your_partition Hi, the dir_index is active. I guess that's why delete operations take as long as they take (index has to be updated every time)

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.comwrote: Have you indexed your ext4 partition? # tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/your_partition # e2fsck -D /dev/your_partition Hi, the dir_index is active. I guess that's why delete operations take as long as they take (index

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hampicke
2012/8/13 Daniel Troeder dan...@admin-box.com On 13.08.2012 15:16, Michael Hampicke wrote: - about 20GB - 100.000 directories - about 2 million files The system has 2x Intel Xon Quad-cores (Nehalem), 16GB of RAM and two 10.000rpm hard drives running a RAID1. 1st thought: switch to

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hampicke
I guess traversing through directories may be faster with XFS, but in my experience ext4 perfoms better than XFS in regard to operations (cp, rm) on small files. I read that there are some tuning options for XFS and small files, but never tried it. But if somone seconds XFS I will try it

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Mon 13 Aug 2012 08:28:15 PM IST, Michael Hampicke wrote: I guess traversing through directories may be faster with XFS, but in my experience ext4 perfoms better than XFS in regard to operations (cp, rm) on small files. I read that there are some tuning options for XFS and

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 13.08.2012 16:52, schrieb Michael Mol: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.comwrote: Have you indexed your ext4 partition? # tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/your_partition # e2fsck -D /dev/your_partition Hi, the dir_index is active. I guess that's why

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

2012-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:17:23 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:11:37 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: I have one of those. But I decided to stick with traditional DOS partitioning

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.comwrote: Am 13.08.2012 16:52, schrieb Michael Mol: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.comwrote: Have you indexed your ext4 partition? # tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/your_partition #

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:17:23 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:11:37 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 13.08.2012 16:52, schrieb Michael Mol: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.com mailto:mgehampi...@gmail.com wrote: Have you indexed your ext4 partition? # tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/your_partition # e2fsck -D /dev/your_partition

Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu

2012-08-13 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 09:03:38AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:43:44 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: It's easy enough: its = belonging to it; it's = it is/was/has. The apostrophe denotes a missing letter or two, not possession. The confusion arises because, when used

Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu

2012-08-13 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 06:14:11PM -0500, Dale wrote: I have always used GRUB splashimage without genkernel and without anything special to get it going other than the correct path in /boot/grub/grub.conf; e.g. default 0 timeout 30 splashimage=(hd0,9)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

2012-08-13 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Aug 13, 2012 11:04 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:17:23 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Michael Hampicke
Am 13.08.2012 19:14, schrieb Florian Philipp: Am 13.08.2012 16:52, schrieb Michael Mol: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.com mailto:mgehampi...@gmail.com wrote: Have you indexed your ext4 partition? # tune2fs -O dir_index

[gentoo-user] Comparison between 32 bit and 64 bit

2012-08-13 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Hey there As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I switched from 32 to 64 bit after some convinction work done by the ML and a friend. In order to justify the switch for myself, I made some performance comparisons. So, in case anyone is interested, here are my results. The only thing I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy gentooers, I am looking for a filesystem that perfomes well for a cache directory. Here's some data on that dir: - cache for prescaled images files + metadata files - nested directory structure (

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 13. August 2012, 15:13:03 schrieb Paul Hartman: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy gentooers, I am looking for a filesystem that perfomes well for a cache directory. Here's some data on that dir: - cache for prescaled images

Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu

2012-08-13 Thread Mick
On Monday 13 Aug 2012 18:46:22 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 06:14:11PM -0500, Dale wrote: Just a thought. Could it be that the text and the background is the same color? If you put white text on a white background, all you see is white which looks blank, empty or

Re: [gentoo-user] new installation (ssd, new udev, grub2)

2012-08-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:55:31 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:17:23 -0400 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Neil Bothwick

Re: [gentoo-user] Comparison between 32 bit and 64 bit

2012-08-13 Thread Paul Hartman
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I switched from 32 to 64 bit after some convinction work done by the ML and a friend. In order to justify the switch for myself, I made some performance comparisons. So, in case

Re: [gentoo-user] Comparison between 32 bit and 64 bit

2012-08-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 13. August 2012, 20:55:23 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: Hey there As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I switched from 32 to 64 bit after some convinction work done by the ML and a friend. In order to justify the switch for myself, I made some performance comparisons. So, in

Re: [gentoo-user] Comparison between 32 bit and 64 bit

2012-08-13 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:20:04AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag, 13. August 2012, 20:55:23 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: Hey there As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I switched from 32 to 64 bit after some convinction work done by the ML and a friend. In order to justify

[OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot see Grub menu

2012-08-13 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 13 August 2012 09:03:38 Neil Bothwick wrote: The confusion arises because, when used with a name, an apostrophe is needed for a possessive. The confusion arises because the apostrophe has two functions, which collide in its/it's. Who can tell /a priori/ which applies in any given

Re: [gentoo-user] Comparison between 32 bit and 64 bit

2012-08-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 14. August 2012, 01:18:20 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:20:04AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag, 13. August 2012, 20:55:23 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: Hey there As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I switched from 32 to 64 bit after

Re: [gentoo-user] Comparison between 32 bit and 64 bit

2012-08-13 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 02:23:25AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: so all in all you got performance improvements you had to spend several hundred of dollars for just through recompiling. Should give you food for thought. I don't understand that sentence. Where did I spend 100s

Re: [gentoo-user] Comparison between 32 bit and 64 bit

2012-08-13 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 14. August 2012, 02:39:44 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 02:23:25AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: so all in all you got performance improvements you had to spend several hundred of dollars for just through recompiling. Should give you food

Re: [gentoo-user] Fast file system for cache directory with lot's of files

2012-08-13 Thread Adam Carter
I think btrfs probably is meant to provide a lot of the modern features like reiser4 or xfs Unfortunately btrfs is still generally slower than ext4 for example. Checkout http://openbenchmarking.org/, eg http://openbenchmarking.org/s/ext4%20btrfs The OS will use any spare RAM for disk caching,