Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 1, 2013 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 31/03/2013 20:26, Dale wrote: Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-31, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: Since it's obvious that upsteam has this my way or the highway mentality, I'm

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:34:51 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: What about USB network adaptors? A user may not even realise they plugged it into a different USB slot from last time, yet the device name changes. Fair point but wouldn't that be only if you plug in two of the same type that

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 03:02:51 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: What about USB network adaptors? A user may not even realise they plugged it into a different USB slot from last time, yet the device name changes. congratulation, you just found another reason why today's udev sucks. I take

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:40:09 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: I find the OpenBSD method of different names like fxp0 usefuk You can emulate that with suitable (e)udev rules. -- Neil Bothwick Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy. signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Apr 1, 2013 1:54 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:34:51 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: What about USB network adaptors? A user may not even realise they plugged it into a different USB slot from last time, yet the device name changes. Fair point

[gentoo-user] Re: ZFS wiki confusion

2013-04-01 Thread Remy Blank
Douglas J Hunley wrote: Do you really need to copy the files into the kernel tree? No, you don't need to do that. which seems to pull in the daemon and the kmod so wouldn't the zfs-kmod ebuild build against the current kernel and drop in the modules directory all by itself much like any of

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev 200 : dhcpcd problem + solution

2013-04-01 Thread Mick
On Monday 01 Apr 2013 02:54:08 Philip Webb wrote: I've spent a lot of today trying to fix a glitch in starting 'dhcpcd' after upgrading to udev-200 ; I outlined it in a msg to gentoo-dev . When I tried to start my I/net connection, I got this : root:501 ~ dhcpcd dhcpcd[831]:

Re: [gentoo-user] [way OT but interesting] Massive recent DDOS attack

2013-04-01 Thread Mick
On Monday 01 Apr 2013 04:37:50 luis jure wrote: on 2013-03-31 at 23:05 Michael Mol wrote: On 03/31/2013 10:00 PM, Philip Webb wrote: There was a good story in 'Guardian' : http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/29/cyberwar-spun-sho ddy-journalism The Gizmodo article

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:57:42 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: I still don't understand what's so bad with MAC-based identification? I mean, uniqueness defined through MAC Address identity, the system name is just a label... MAC addresses are not human-friendly. It would be OK if you could set up

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ZFS wiki confusion

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 10:09:05 +0200, Remy Blank wrote: Just ignore the section Installing into the kernel directory (for static installs) on that page, unless you have a very special install (but then, you probably wouldn't have to ask here). Yes, you only need that if you want the modules

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:19:18 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: What the article didn't mention was that if you change your interface names, you have to create a new symlink in /etc/init.d and add it to the default runlevel. I'm glad I spotted that one before rebooting:) So, just ln -s

Re: [gentoo-user] Convert quickpkg of udev-171-r10 to local overlay...

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 16:24:33 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: No, you only do that if the original is not available. Copy the whole sys-fs/udev directory to your overlay then remove the files you don't need Well, that presupposes I know what files I need and what files I don't need... The

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/01/2013 09:12 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 13:57:42 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: I still don't understand what's so bad with MAC-based identification? I mean, uniqueness defined through MAC Address identity, the system name is just a label... MAC addresses are not

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:12:17 +0100 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: I still don't understand what's so bad with MAC-based identification? I mean, uniqueness defined through MAC Address identity, the system name is just a label... MAC addresses are not human-friendly. It would be

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 09:29:08 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: MAC addresses are not human-friendly. It would be OK if you could set up aliases, so your firewall rules could use enaabbccddeeff while you could still type eth0. Frankly, I never found 'eth0' to be particularly friendly, either.

Re: [Bulk] [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/01/2013 09:54 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 09:29:08 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: MAC addresses are not human-friendly. It would be OK if you could set up aliases, so your firewall rules could use enaabbccddeeff while you could still type eth0. Frankly, I never found

Re: [gentoo-user] Difference between --update and --emptytree?

2013-04-01 Thread Paul Hartman
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: What do you mean by sane depclean? Are there any problems with --depclean that I am not aware of? emerge -p --depclean generates dire warnings. I keep a previous version of the kernel (gentoo-sources) as a

[gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread »Q«
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 18:37:07 + (UTC) Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2013-03-31, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-31, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: Since it's obvious that upsteam has this

Re: [gentoo-user] Unable to compile chromium 26

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Mair-Keimberger
Look at bug 463550 [1].. Either you downgrade to app-accessibility/speech-dispatcher-0.7.1-r2 or use the patch which is pointed out at the bug. mike 1) https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463550 On Monday 01 April 2013 20:57:43 Nilesh Govindrajan wrote: I'm unable to compile chromium.

Re: [gentoo-user] Udev 200 : dhcpcd problem + solution

2013-04-01 Thread Philip Webb
130401 Mick wrote: On Monday 01 Apr 2013 02:54:08 Philip Webb wrote: I've spent a lot of today trying to fix a glitch in starting 'dhcpcd' after upgrading to udev-200 ; I outlined it in a msg to gentoo-dev . -- details snipped -- Thanks for sharing this Philip. I was surprised to see that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ZFS wiki confusion

2013-04-01 Thread Douglas J Hunley
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 10:09:05 +0200, Remy Blank wrote: Just ignore the section Installing into the kernel directory (for static installs) on that page, unless you have a very special install (but then, you probably

Re: [gentoo-user] Unable to compile chromium 26

2013-04-01 Thread Nilesh Govindrajan
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Michael Mair-Keimberger m.mairkeimber...@gmail.com wrote: Look at bug 463550 [1].. Either you downgrade to app-accessibility/speech-dispatcher-0.7.1-r2 or use the patch which is pointed out at the bug. mike 1)

Re: [gentoo-user] Unable to compile chromium 26

2013-04-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 01.04.2013 18:59, schrieb Nilesh Govindrajan: On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Michael Mair-Keimberger m.mairkeimber...@gmail.com wrote: Look at bug 463550 [1].. Either you downgrade to app-accessibility/speech-dispatcher-0.7.1-r2 or use the patch which is pointed out at the bug.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 01:44:18PM -0500, Dale wrote: Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-31, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-31, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: Since it's obvious that upsteam has this my way or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Michael Mol
On 04/01/2013 03:26 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 01:44:18PM -0500, Dale wrote: Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-31, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-31, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan wrote: Since it's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Dale
Michael Mol wrote: On 04/01/2013 03:26 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 01:44:18PM -0500, Dale wrote: Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-31, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) wrote: On 2013-03-31, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu Poluan

Re: [gentoo-user] [way OT but interesting] Massive recent DDOS attack

2013-04-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 01.04.2013 01:12, schrieb walt: Any of you admin types out there have any grumpy thoughts about this article? :) Is it really just marketing BS from cloudflare, or is it solid stuff? http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-ddos-that-almost-broke-the-internet well, it was bad for spamhaus and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev update and persistent net rules changes

2013-04-01 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 01 April 2013 20:51:45 Michael Mol wrote: ---8 So, there are three conceivable configurations (initramfs notwithstanding): What a fine word! It's a while since I saw it last. 1. With systems which don't require /usr binaries before /usr would be mounted, separate /usr is not a