On 11/28/14 01:13, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Paige Thompson erra...@yourstruly.sx wrote:
I think im just going to go to sleep. I really don't care if they drop
support for it I'll just make my own ebuild / systemd emulation for
whatever I need in spite of it,
On Friday 28 Nov 2014 19:03:45 Paige Thompson wrote:
On 11/28/14 01:13, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Paige Thompson erra...@yourstruly.sx
wrote:
I think im just going to go to sleep. I really don't care if they drop
support for it I'll just make my own ebuild
On 11/28/2014 02:03 PM, Paige Thompson wrote:
Sorry I wish Thunderbird would start my cursor at the bottom of the
e-mail like its supposed to and I forget sometimes.
Edit - Account Settings - Composition and Addressing
Check the thing to quote replies, and select start my reply below...
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
Adoption of Systemd by other major distros sb good for Gentoo.
Disgruntled Debians, Fedoras, Archies (IIRC they've also adopted it)
will have a choice of giving in or moving to Slackware or Gentoo.
Many of them may
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 11/23/2014 1:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
So, don't be surprised if FreeBSD develops something *really* similar
(along the lines of the second bullet) to systemd in the future
Doesn't matter
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 11/23/2014 3:23 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
Also, I'll wager it likely won't be implemented in such a way as to be
perceived by its user base as being shoved down their throats.
Clarification -
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:05:16 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:25:22 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing
window button x to the upper-left
Am 27.11.2014 um 12:00 schrieb Tom H:
I wouldn't bet to much on that. One of the most vocal anti-systemd
Debian users tried either Gento or Funtoo and reported that
installation and maintenance were difficult. Binary distros do make
things rather easier, especially if you start to play with
Am 27.11.2014 um 15:21 schrieb Tom H:
Lennart made some design choices that I wish that he hadn't made but
I'm not losing any sleep over this; and I don't understand why anyone
else should.
Three frequently brought up issues:
1. Lennart Poettering does not exactly have a track record of
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Marc Stuermer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Am 27.11.2014 um 12:00 schrieb Tom H:
I wouldn't bet to much on that. One of the most vocal anti-systemd
Debian users tried either Gento or Funtoo and reported that
installation and maintenance were difficult. Binary
Am 27.11.2014 um 16:22 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
And Sabayon uses systemd, of course.
Holy moly... never noticed that this happened.
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Am 27.11.2014 um 16:22 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
And Sabayon uses systemd, of course.
Holy moly... never noticed that this happened.
Sabayon started rolling systemd in April 15, 2013[1]. By Sabayon
14.01, it was
so we pretty much established that dropping openrc isn't in the plans
for gentoo right? Probably gonna be an option like bootloaders right?
On 11/27/14 21:46, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Am 27.11.2014 um 16:22 schrieb
I think im just going to go to sleep. I really don't care if they drop
support for it I'll just make my own ebuild / systemd emulation for
whatever I need in spite of it, fork it and call it you can have it
when you pry it from my cold dead hands linux.
good night
-Paige
On 11/27/14 22:56,
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Paige Thompson erra...@yourstruly.sx wrote:
I think im just going to go to sleep. I really don't care if they drop
support for it I'll just make my own ebuild / systemd emulation for
whatever I need in spite of it, fork it and call it you can have it
when you
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:45:31 +0100 Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Am 25.11.2014 um 18:44 schrieb Gevisz:
It usually took me from 10 to 20 minutes to download my daily updates
in Ubuntu. For big packages - about 40 minutes or even more.
That's the time saving aspect
lol
On 25/11/14 23:35, Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
On 25 November 2014 at 23:42, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
The point was that it could be changed. […]
[…] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP.
No, the point was that sometimes even a small annoyance is plenty
enough to drive
On 24/11/14 19:13, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Am 24.11.2014 um 19:25 schrieb Gevisz:
I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing
window button x to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of
Ubuntu 12.04 while I used to look for it in the upper-right corner. :)
So, I
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:06:23 +, thegeezer wrote:
* stable releases with a more or less stable and predictable release
cycle,
debatable - i would suggest better tested than stable otherwise there
would be no need for debian bugzilla
The vagaries of English strike again! When Debian
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:39:17AM +0200, Gevisz wrote
Moreover, if I had to maintain computers for *other* users, I would not
mind to upgrade their binary distributions every 2 or, better, every 5 years
even if *their* working environment would every time change from Gnome2
to Unity and
Am 26.11.2014 um 21:39 schrieb Walter Dnes:
I've been running ICEWM for over 4 years, and blackbox for a few years
before that. What desktop interface change? :)
Switching to ratpoison or i3wm, of course. :
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:53:14 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
Wouldn't it have been easier to use the simple configuration option to
move the button back to where you expected it? Far less effort than
switching distros.
No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible
in Unity at
On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote:
I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was
logical, ergonomic and saved screen space.
Only now, I have realized that, logically, it was possible
to rearrange all the elements of Unity in such a way that
it was logical, ergonomic, saved
On Tuesday 25 November 2014 11:45:50 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote:
I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was
logical, ergonomic and saved screen space.
Only now, I have realized that, logically, it was possible
to rearrange all the
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:45:50 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote:
I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was
logical, ergonomic and saved screen space.
Only now, I have realized that, logically, it was possible
to
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:41:10 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:53:14 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
Wouldn't it have been easier to use the simple configuration option to
move the button back to where you expected it? Far less effort than
switching distros.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:09:08 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
It was possible, Google has hits on this dated from shortly after the
time Unity was released.
Please, give me the link. I will check if it is correct on my old
Ubuntu 12.04 partition (yes, I still have it) and report the result
here.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:13:53 +0100 Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Am 24.11.2014 um 19:25 schrieb Gevisz:
I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing
window button x to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of
Ubuntu 12.04 while I used to look
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:37:48 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:09:08 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
It was possible, Google has hits on this dated from shortly after the
time Unity was released.
Please, give me the link. I will check if it is correct on my
No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible
in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really
*forced* their users to accept the new place of the closing window
frame button and have argued that it is more ergonomic.
There was not any possibility to
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:37:48 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:09:08 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
I do recall that one way of doing it is with UbuntuTweak.
Unity-tweak-tool cant move window buttons to the right in 14.04
as of September 3, 2014:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:21:06 -0700 Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote:
No. It is not possible in Unity or, at least, it was not possible
in Unity at the time when Ubuntu 12.04 was released. They really
*forced* their users to accept the new place of the closing window
frame
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:55:07 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
Please, give me the link. I will check if it is correct on my old
Ubuntu 12.04 partition (yes, I still have it) and report the result
here.
Why not Google it yourself?
Because it is very hard to google a link if it does not exist.
On 25/11/2014 19:03, Gevisz wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:45:50 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote:
I even can agree with them that a new place of that button was
logical, ergonomic and saved screen space.
Only now, I have realized that,
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:56:05 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 25/11/2014 19:03, Gevisz wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:45:50 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 25/11/2014 09:15, Gevisz wrote:
I even can agree with them that a new place of that
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:49:53 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:55:07 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
Please, give me the link. I will check if it is correct on my old
Ubuntu 12.04 partition (yes, I still have it) and report the result
here.
Why not
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:24:34 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
Can you, please, help me? :)
I did, I told you about UbuntuTweak, but here's a link
http://bit.ly/1rpmTbK
Yes, but this simply does not work.
OK, so it doesn't work.
The point was that it could be changed. I neither remember nor
On 25 November 2014 at 23:42, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
The point was that it could be changed. […]
[…] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP.
No, the point was that sometimes even a small annoyance is plenty
enough to drive people away.
The point was that when you feel
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:35:18 +0100, Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
The point was that it could be changed. […]
[…] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP.
No, the point was that sometimes even a small annoyance is plenty
enough to drive people away.
Well, if you put it like that.
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:35:18 +0100 Emanuele Rusconi ema...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 November 2014 at 23:42, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
The point was that it could be changed. […]
[…] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP.
No, the point was that sometimes even a small
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:56:58 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:35:18 +0100, Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
The point was that it could be changed. […]
[…] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP.
No, the point was that sometimes even a small
Am 25.11.2014 um 18:44 schrieb Gevisz:
It usually took me from 10 to 20 minutes to download my daily updates
in Ubuntu. For big packages - about 40 minutes or even more.
That's the time saving aspect
lol :)
Not lol, it is like I told you. Binary distributions are a big, big
time saver
The reason this question is so hard to answer is because it is not a
technical question, it is a moral and ethical one. The links presented
start to approach the issue being discussed in this light but do not
entirely accept the right question. I suspect this is because it seems
rather absurd.
We
Regardless, it would probably be useful to contact the people from the
Debian project who were interested in forking it. It's likely Gentoo would
end up using a fair amount of their work at some point.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Sid S r03...@gmail.com wrote:
The reason this question is so
Am 21.11.2014 um 18:36 schrieb Philip Webb:
Adoption of Systemd by other major distros sb good for Gentoo.
Disgruntled Debians, Fedoras, Archies (IIRC they've also adopted it)
will have a choice of giving in or moving to Slackware or Gentoo.
Well, Gentoo is for sure quite a different beast
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +0100 Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
Am 21.11.2014 um 18:36 schrieb Philip Webb:
Adoption of Systemd by other major distros sb good for Gentoo.
Disgruntled Debians, Fedoras, Archies (IIRC they've also adopted it)
will have a choice of giving in or
On 24 November 2014 at 18:54, Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote:
I don't think so, that many people are going to switch to Gentoo just
because of Systemd, because of the differences between Gentoo and e.g.
Debian.
I did. From Debian. Not because I hate systemd (NOW I'm in the anti
Am 24.11.2014 um 19:25 schrieb Gevisz:
I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing
window button x to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of
Ubuntu 12.04 while I used to look for it in the upper-right corner. :)
So, I see no reason that those that hate
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:25:22 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing
window button x to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of
Ubuntu 12.04 while I used to look for it in the upper-right corner. :)
Wouldn't it have been easier to use
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:05:16 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:25:22 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing
window button x to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of
Ubuntu 12.04 while I used
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:53:14 +0200 Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:05:16 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:25:22 +0200, Gevisz wrote:
I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing
window button x to the
On 11/21/2014 2:32 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
As long as there are developers willing and able to support OpenRC in
Gentoo (and it looks like there are), that will be the case. To make
sure that this remains to be true, help them.
This is really an incorrect (and even
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 11/21/2014 2:32 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
As long as there are developers willing and able to support OpenRC in
Gentoo (and it looks like there are), that will be the case. To make
sure that
Am Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:07:08 -0600
schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
[...]
To answer the OPs question correctly...
Since OpenRC is the *default* - for now at least - it is *king*, and
systemd is the
On 11/23/2014 2:02 PM, Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote:
I get the distinct feeling that you two should probably read the LWN article
again.
No need...
This:
In the end, it comes down to this: it just is not that important. It is
just a system initialization utility.
simply proves that the
On 11/23/2014 1:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
So, don't be surprised if FreeBSD develops something *really* similar
(along the lines of the second bullet) to systemd in the future
Doesn't matter because:
a) it won't be systemd
(with all of its warts)
b) it won't be
On 11/23/2014 3:23 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
Also, I'll wager it likely won't be implemented in such a way as to be
perceived by its user base as being shoved down their throats.
Clarification - this reference was actually to the way Debian is
handling it, not Gentoo - I
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 11/23/2014 1:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
So, don't be surprised if FreeBSD develops something *really* similar
(along the lines of the second bullet) to systemd in the future
Doesn't matter
On 11/23/2014 3:34 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 11/23/2014 1:07 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
So, don't be surprised if FreeBSD develops something *really* similar
(along the
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:32 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
It's actually a great thing for a lot of use cases. But it doesn't
seem that Gentoo will change defaults soon, although systemd works
great with it.
My (personal) sense is that in the medium-term we may end up moving
On 11/21/14 07:00, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:32 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
It's actually a great thing for a lot of use cases. But it doesn't
seem that Gentoo will change defaults soon, although systemd works
great with it.
My (personal) sense is that
141121 Rich Freeman wrote:
My personal sense is that in the medium-term we may end up
moving to not having any default at all,
just as with bootloaders, kernels, syslog, crontab, mail etc.
That is pretty-much the Gentoo way everywhere else when there are options.
As you already pointed out,
On 11/21/14 07:31, Marc Stürmer wrote:
Am 21.11.2014 um 08:17 schrieb Paige Thompson:
I just read an article that says systemd is taking over linux and linux
is not linux anymore:
http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/11/20/systemd-redux/
I kinda have to agree which is partially why I'm not using
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM, wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Regardless, the smaller, cheaper embedded linux crowd is very unlikely to
ever embrace systemd. Why? Glad you asks. Thousands of reasons, but,
here are a few: It is very common in embedded (anything) to run multiple
and often
On 11/21/14 07:32, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Paige Thompson erra...@yourstruly.sx wrote:
I just read an article that says systemd is taking over linux and linux
is not linux anymore:
http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/11/20/systemd-redux/
I highly recommend the
On 11/21/14 17:39, wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
On 11/21/14 07:00, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:32 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés
can...@gmail.com wrote:
It's actually a great thing for a lot of use cases. But it doesn't
seem that Gentoo will change defaults soon, although
On 11/21/14 18:20, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:39 PM, wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Regardless, the smaller, cheaper embedded linux crowd is very unlikely to
ever embrace systemd. Why? Glad you asks. Thousands of reasons, but,
here are a few: It is very common in
Am Fri, 21 Nov 2014 01:32:16 -0600
schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com:
[...]
I highly recommend the article John Corbet wrote for LWN a week ago:
http://lwn.net/Articles/619992/
[...]
Thanks for the link, it was a good read.
FWIW, I found this linked in one of the comments:
I just read an article that says systemd is taking over linux and linux
is not linux anymore:
http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/11/20/systemd-redux/
I kinda have to agree which is partially why I'm not using it. Will
Gentoo have any plans of forcing its users to move to systemd or will I
always
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Paige Thompson erra...@yourstruly.sx wrote:
I just read an article that says systemd is taking over linux and linux
is not linux anymore:
http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/11/20/systemd-redux/
I highly recommend the article John Corbet wrote for LWN a week ago:
Am 21.11.2014 um 08:17 schrieb Paige Thompson:
I just read an article that says systemd is taking over linux and linux
is not linux anymore:
http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/11/20/systemd-redux/
I kinda have to agree which is partially why I'm not using it. Will
Gentoo have any plans of forcing
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