Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-29 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-28 07:55, Tom H a écrit : On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: Le 2015-08-27 15:18, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : Who are you to tell them what they should work on? They're acting like FOSS developers, many of whom work for free or underpaid so

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 6:27:14 PM Michel Catudal wrote: I've had serious problems in the past getting to to install on a partition and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insists on installing on the

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:50 PM, mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: The maintainers of grub are basically acting like dictators much like Microsoft. The whole point of using Linux was to have complete control of the PC. Who those morons think they are to tell me what I should use to boot Operating

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 08:49:13 Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net I've had serious problems

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 22:03:44 -0400, Michel Catudal wrote: Commenting on dictatorial behavior by some developper is not acting like a child, it is just defending a point. All software is dictatorial, or at least oligarchic. code talks, those that write it get to say what goes in it, those that

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: On Thursday 27 August 2015 08:49:13 Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net I've had serious problems in the past getting [grub2] to install on a partition and gave

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: Le 2015-08-27 15:18, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : Who are you to tell them what they should work on? They're acting like FOSS developers, many of whom work for free or underpaid so they work on whatever the fuck they

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: The language toward us is not much nicer. There is some arrogance from the other side of the issue. We've been fighting this for years. It is a lie to say that it cannot install on a partition. What makes it not

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Terry Z.
On Aug 27, 2015 6:50 PM, mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: It's not a bug, and it won't be fixed. Installing on a partition is simply not supported. When a needed functionality is no longer working it is a bug. To have grub installing itself on the MBR when the

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: Le 2015-08-27 23:36, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote: This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I have grub correctly installed

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Jeremi Piotrowski
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote: This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I have grub correctly installed on the partition. This hasn't happened to you so it obviously means it isn't possible... On Fri, 28 Aug 2015, Michel

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-28 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-27 23:36, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote: This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I have grub correctly installed on the partition. Install grub to a partition and do something like this: su

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: Le 2015-08-26 13:37, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : This may not be complete and some of these may be possible to some extent with legacy grub: 1. Grub Legacy is 32-bit only, so you need 32-bit libraries or use grub-

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 27 August 2015 08:49:13 Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net I've had serious problems in the past getting [grub2] to install on a partition and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insists on installing on the MBR which is

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:50:15 + (UTC), mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: The maintainers of grub are basically acting like dictators much like Microsoft. The whole point of using Linux was to have complete control of the PC. Who those morons think they are to tell me what I should use to boot

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:49:13 AM Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: Le 2015-08-26 13:37, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : This may not be complete and some of these may be possible to some extent with legacy grub: 1.

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread mcatudal
- Mail original - It's not a bug, and it won't be fixed. Installing on a partition is simply not supported. When a needed functionality is no longer working it is a bug. To have grub installing itself on the MBR when the users doesn't it to is unacceptable because it wipes out the

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 04:50:15PM +, mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: - Mail original - It's not a bug, and it won't be fixed. Installing on a partition is simply not supported. When a needed functionality is no longer working it is a bug. To have grub installing itself on the

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Mick
On Thursday 27 Aug 2015 19:31:34 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:23:56 PM Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:49:13 AM Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: Le 2015-08-26 13:37,

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:50:15 PM mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: The maintainers of grub are basically acting like dictators much like Microsoft. The whole point of using Linux was to have complete control of the PC. Who those morons think they are to tell me what I should use to boot

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:23:56 PM Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:49:13 AM Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: Le 2015-08-26 13:37, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : This may not be complete and

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-27 14:23, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : I just got it to work with these steps: 1. Mount the partition to /mnt/usb 2. Run: #grub2-install --directory /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc --boot- directory=/mnt/usb/boot --force /dev/sdb2 Installing for i386-pc platform. grub2-install: warning: File

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-27 15:18, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : Who are you to tell them what they should work on? They're acting like FOSS developers, many of whom work for free or underpaid so they work on whatever the fuck they want. The problem with FOSS is that we have too many idiots that like to rant

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-27 13:16, Alan Mackenzie a écrit : On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 04:50:15PM +, mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: The maintainers of grub are basically acting like dictators much like Microsoft. The whole point of using Linux was to have complete control of the PC. Who those morons think

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-27 20:31, Jeremi Piotrowski a écrit : On Fri, 28 Aug 2015, Michel Catudal wrote: No one is asking them to do that. As mentioned before it works with some override. A solution to the problem would be to remove the arrogance toward people who want grub on a partition and remove the

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: You missed the point, I do not want some installation treating me like a child by denying an install to protect me against myself. If I mess up my system it is nobody's business but mine. Well, then quit acting

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Thursday, August 27, 2015 9:25:01 PM Michel Catudal wrote: This is nonsense. I have never had a case where it would not boot when I have grub correctly installed on the partition. Install grub to a partition and do something like this: su cd mv /boot/grub grub cp -r grub /boot rm -r grub

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-27 21:50, Rich Freeman a écrit : On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: You missed the point, I do not want some installation treating me like a child by denying an install to protect me against myself. If I mess up my system it is nobody's

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: Le 2015-08-27 21:50, Rich Freeman a écrit : On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Michel Catudal mcatu...@comcast.net wrote: You missed the point, I do not want some installation treating me like a child by denying an

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:17:46 -0400, Michel Catudal wrote: I don't care for the automatic ways of grub2, I prefer to edit the boot file by hand and have a nice command line screen. As you can with GRUB2. grub-mkconfig is a convenience, mainly for providers of binary distros so they can update

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-27 Thread Jeremi Piotrowski
On Fri, 28 Aug 2015, Michel Catudal wrote: No one is asking them to do that. As mentioned before it works with some override. A solution to the problem would be to remove the arrogance toward people who want grub on a partition and remove the part in the installer that refuses to install it

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-26 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:10:55 PM James wrote: James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: So on one particular (openrc) system, I have no interest in grub-2 or any other bootloaders. I see grub is both grub 1 and grub 2. So some vintage installs/upgrades got me thinking. What

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-26 Thread Michel Catudal
Le 2015-08-26 13:37, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : This may not be complete and some of these may be possible to some extent with legacy grub: 1. Grub Legacy is 32-bit only, so you need 32-bit libraries or use grub- static. Grub2 is portable, even beyond Intel architectures. 2. Grub2 has been

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-26 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 6:27:14 PM Michel Catudal wrote: Le 2015-08-26 13:37, Fernando Rodriguez a écrit : This may not be complete and some of these may be possible to some extent with legacy grub: 1. Grub Legacy is 32-bit only, so you need 32-bit libraries or use grub-

Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1

2015-08-26 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 03:10:55PM +, James wrote: James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: So on one particular (openrc) system, I have no interest in grub-2 or any other bootloaders. I see grub is both grub 1 and grub 2. So some vintage installs/upgrades got me thinking. What