Re: [gentoo-user] udev-197 USE=kmod
Am 27.01.2013 03:24, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Hi list! Quick question: If I deactivate the kmod use flag in udev and keep sys-apps/module-init-tools, does udev still load modules or is kmod a required flag for that? I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so. The git repository has not a single instance of the strings modprobe or insmod, apparently the only way to load modules in udev is to use kmod. I think the kmod configure option (which is the one the USE flag activate/deactivate), is for systems where all the modules are built-in, like embedded ones. Okay. I thought I've heard about some dev patching udev to work with modprobe at one point. Could be mistaken or outdated, though. Unless udev has no other means to load modules, I think disabling kmod assumes then that all the modules are built-in. And if you use modules, may I ask why you would prefer module-init-tools over kmod? Specially when the later is a drop-in, better supported replacement? Is it really a drop-in? I was under the impression that for example `modprobe -l` is not implemented (mentioned in a comment on the eudev fork on LWN). I guess that's outdated as well. Thanks, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] udev-197 USE=kmod
Florian Philipp wrote: Is it really a drop-in? I was under the impression that for example `modprobe -l` is not implemented (mentioned in a comment on the eudev fork on LWN). I guess that's outdated as well. I'm using kmod's modprobe, and there is *no* -l option. -Matt
Re: [gentoo-user] udev-197 USE=kmod
Am 27.01.2013 12:33, schrieb Matthias Hanft: Florian Philipp wrote: Is it really a drop-in? I was under the impression that for example `modprobe -l` is not implemented (mentioned in a comment on the eudev fork on LWN). I guess that's outdated as well. I'm using kmod's modprobe, and there is *no* -l option. -Matt Hmm, any replacement in sight? Otherwise I guess I'll use an alias like this: alias modprobe-l=find \/lib64/modules/\$(uname -r)\ -name '*.ko' -printf '%P\n' signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] udev-197 USE=kmod
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 27.01.2013 03:24, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Hi list! Quick question: If I deactivate the kmod use flag in udev and keep sys-apps/module-init-tools, does udev still load modules or is kmod a required flag for that? I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so. The git repository has not a single instance of the strings modprobe or insmod, apparently the only way to load modules in udev is to use kmod. I think the kmod configure option (which is the one the USE flag activate/deactivate), is for systems where all the modules are built-in, like embedded ones. Okay. I thought I've heard about some dev patching udev to work with modprobe at one point. Could be mistaken or outdated, though. The patches in the ebuild don't include anything to use modprobe: http://dev.gentoo.org/~williamh/dist/udev-197-patches-1.tar.bz2 Unless udev has no other means to load modules, I think disabling kmod assumes then that all the modules are built-in. And if you use modules, may I ask why you would prefer module-init-tools over kmod? Specially when the later is a drop-in, better supported replacement? Is it really a drop-in? I was under the impression that for example `modprobe -l` is not implemented (mentioned in a comment on the eudev fork on LWN). I guess that's outdated as well. No, modprobe -l is not supported, but it's trivially to emulate, and the option was already deprecated in module-init-tools. From the kmod README: kmod-modprobe gained several features to be a 1:1 replacement for modprobe. The only missing things are the options '--showconfig' and '-t / -l'. These last ones have been deprecated long ago and they will be removed from modprobe. A lot of effort has been put on kmod-modprobe to ensure it maintains compabitility with modprobe. As you yourself commented, using an alias with find more than enough. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] udev-197 USE=kmod
Am 27.01.2013 22:01, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 27.01.2013 03:24, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Hi list! Quick question: If I deactivate the kmod use flag in udev and keep sys-apps/module-init-tools, does udev still load modules or is kmod a required flag for that? I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so. The git repository has not a single instance of the strings modprobe or insmod, apparently the only way to load modules in udev is to use kmod. I think the kmod configure option (which is the one the USE flag activate/deactivate), is for systems where all the modules are built-in, like embedded ones. Okay. I thought I've heard about some dev patching udev to work with modprobe at one point. Could be mistaken or outdated, though. The patches in the ebuild don't include anything to use modprobe: http://dev.gentoo.org/~williamh/dist/udev-197-patches-1.tar.bz2 Thanks for looking! Unless udev has no other means to load modules, I think disabling kmod assumes then that all the modules are built-in. And if you use modules, may I ask why you would prefer module-init-tools over kmod? Specially when the later is a drop-in, better supported replacement? Is it really a drop-in? I was under the impression that for example `modprobe -l` is not implemented (mentioned in a comment on the eudev fork on LWN). I guess that's outdated as well. No, modprobe -l is not supported, but it's trivially to emulate, and the option was already deprecated in module-init-tools. From the kmod README: kmod-modprobe gained several features to be a 1:1 replacement for modprobe. The only missing things are the options '--showconfig' and '-t / -l'. These last ones have been deprecated long ago and they will be removed from modprobe. A lot of effort has been put on kmod-modprobe to ensure it maintains compabitility with modprobe. As you yourself commented, using an alias with find more than enough. Regards. Yeah, easy enough when you know your way around shell scripts and know where to look. In my opinion, it is still kind of stupid to remove a useful feature with no replacement. Hmm, maybe it's time to write a better replacement. Something more like eix, just for modules ... Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] udev-197 USE=kmod
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Hi list! Quick question: If I deactivate the kmod use flag in udev and keep sys-apps/module-init-tools, does udev still load modules or is kmod a required flag for that? I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so. The git repository has not a single instance of the strings modprobe or insmod, apparently the only way to load modules in udev is to use kmod. I think the kmod configure option (which is the one the USE flag activate/deactivate), is for systems where all the modules are built-in, like embedded ones. Unless udev has no other means to load modules, I think disabling kmod assumes then that all the modules are built-in. And if you use modules, may I ask why you would prefer module-init-tools over kmod? Specially when the later is a drop-in, better supported replacement? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
