Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-30 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Paul Colquhoun paul...@andor.dropbear.id.au wrote: I'd certainly be happy fixing FHS to say that tools for mounting and recovering essential system partitions be located in /, and that these essential system partitions contain the tools for mounting and

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-30 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:19:44 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: I'd certainly be happy fixing FHS to say that tools for mounting and recovering essential system partitions be located in /, and that these essential system partitions contain the tools for mounting and

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-29 Thread Kevin Chadwick
The latest FHS dates from 2004, the same year as the *earliest* FUSE release I can see on the FUSE web site. I'd say a good working hypothesis is that FHS was simply written *before* any user-space file systems were more than an experimental oddity. IF the system's /home directory

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
TLDR: FHS is unrealistic about its promises. if we move our binaries / libraries to /usr and work it to make sure /usr is mounted, we will better serve FHS goals and also happen to fix some systemic, but silent bugs. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu,

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 01:16:34AM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: TLDR: FHS is unrealistic about its promises. if we move our binaries / libraries to /usr and work it to make sure /usr is mounted, we will better serve FHS goals and also happen to fix some systemic, but silent bugs. On

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Dang, I got an Excedrin® headache! Heh. Mike said he was game. -- This email is:[ ] actionable [ ] fyi[x] social Response needed: [ ] yes [x] up to you [ ] no Time-sensitive: [ ]

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Michael Mol
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:33 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: Dang, I got an Excedrin® headache! Heh. Mike said he was game. It's going to have to wait a bit. I'm not going to be able to get to

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: whatever filesystem type it is. Following this, for any distro to correctly FHS, there needs to be a package manager switch to copy arbitrary packages (and dependent libraries) from /usr to /. As of yet not

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: whatever filesystem type it is. Following this, for any distro to correctly FHS, there needs to be a package manager switch to copy

Re: Should /usr be merged with /? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?)

2012-12-28 Thread Paul Colquhoun
On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:27:03 Mark David Dumlao wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:16:34 +0800 Mark David Dumlao madum...@gmail.com wrote: whatever filesystem type it is. Following this, for any distro to