[geo] Re: Can't Get There from Here

2008-12-06 Thread David Schnare
Oliver and Mike: I'm a climate change agnostic, and am openly supportive of Geo-Nurtring, including activities such as solar radiation management and rebalancing the carbon cycle, which would surely include energy conservation. The problem I have faced comes when someone like Prof. Jagadish Shukl

[geo] Re: Can't Get There from Here

2008-12-06 Thread Mike MacCracken
Dear David-- I¹ll be in California at time of Lindzen¹s talk‹you can read my take on at least some of Lindzen¹s positions at http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/details/maccracken_on_lindz en/. And I¹ll let you ask Lindzen if he agrees that clouds create an uncertainty of 100 C on

[geo] Re: Can't Get There from Here

2008-12-06 Thread Ken Caldeira
I AGREE: THIS IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE GROUP IN WHICH TO DISCUSS THE REALITY OF HUMAN INFLUENCE ON CLIMATE. THIS IS A FINE DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER GROUP, BUT MERELY A DISTRACTION HERE. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Oliver Wingenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > Dear David, > > The prudent an

[geo] Re: Can't Get There from Here

2008-12-06 Thread Oliver Wingenter
Dear David, The prudent and conservative to do is to be cautious and try and maintain the status quo, which is our present climate or one not too long ago. It does know one in this country (well a lawyer could argue against this) any harm to conserve energy. It helps them personally, the countr

[geo] Re: Can't Get There from Here

2008-12-06 Thread Mike MacCracken
Hi David‹Well, I read the article‹what a lot of nonsense. Aside from little errors like not doing the math of the CO2 projection right to 2050 and not understanding how the greenhouse effect works, to major problems (as a start): 1. The 2 plus 2 = 5 explanation of systematic errors is really flawe