[geo] What CNN is saying

2009-11-23 Thread Greg Rau
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[geo] BBC: East Antarctic Ice Sheet Melting Worries Scientists

2009-11-23 Thread Veli Albert Kallio
ANTARCTIC APOCALYPSE ON THE MAKING? ”Enten, tenten, telika menten, olle, dulle, doff, kinke lade koff”… Enten, tenten, telika menten, pirum parum puff! It almost comes like from the Hogwarth School of Wizardry that the 2012 visionaries predict the Antarctic ice demise in some magic

[geo] Re: A simple argument for SRM geoengineering, again.

2009-11-23 Thread jim woolridge
'...at some point within the next few decades...': Kelly, we have had a scant 2 decades of major concern and political activism re climate change; in that time things have moved rather more rapidly than anyone anticipated and show no signs of slowing down. The concern that many of us have is that

[geo] Re: A simple argument for SRM geoengineering, again.

2009-11-23 Thread Dan Whaley
Jim-- I think this is the key takeaway from Kelly's note, which seems patently obvious to me. Such research is the pre-cursor to any effort to geoengineer anyway, so it is both a solid argument and a reasonable way to advance to the next relevant set of activities without damaging credibility or

[geo] What if Earth had rings like Saturn?

2009-11-23 Thread Dan Whaley
Just for laughs... This is wonderful eye candy. http://idealog.co.nz/blog/idealist/rings-around-planet-earth Of course the question is how much cooling would they provide. It would be permanent of course. (Ah well...) Great to see the 3D renderings from the POV of different cities and

Re: [geo] What if Earth had rings like Saturn?

2009-11-23 Thread Ken Caldeira
When I was a post-doc at Penn State working with Jim Kasting we did calculations of changes in solar flux from rings as a possible explanation of low-latitude glaciations in the ancient past, but we didn't published them. I think we decided you would need quite a ring to freeze the equator. At

[geo] Re: What if Earth had rings like Saturn?

2009-11-23 Thread Neil Farbstein
Bad ideas abound Dan. This is one of them. Permanent rings around the earth will screw things up in a lot of undesirable ways we might regret later. How would you do that? Take huge ice chips off castillo and ship them to earth orbit? On Nov 23, 4:41 pm, Dan Whaley dan.wha...@gmail.com wrote:

RE: [geo] What if Earth had rings like Saturn?

2009-11-23 Thread David Keith
Even where this not a joke, there is a problem. When I first got interested in this topic about 1990 one of the first things I did was look at the NAS estimates about orbiting mirrors or scatters. Problem is if you use mass-efficient scatterers they are rapidly blown out of orbit by light

[geo] Re: ethics-the responsibility of the editors, reviewer or papers opposing climate engineering

2009-11-23 Thread Tip
As a firm believer in scientific research and improvement of the human condition through scientific advances I agree with your opinion that research should be presented without 'benefit' of political correctness. You note that, We as scientists have a responsibility to publish our best work and

[geo] Re: What if Earth had rings like Saturn?

2009-11-23 Thread Neil Farbstein
If the soviets built an orbital ring it would be made of cast iron and heavy enough to resist light pressure. On Nov 23, 8:16 pm, David Keith ke...@ucalgary.ca wrote: Even where this not a joke, there is a problem. When I first got interested in this topic about 1990 one of the first things I

[geo] Meanwhile, down under(water)

2009-11-23 Thread RAU greg
Published on Monday, November 23, 2009 by The Independent/UKAntarctic Ice Loss Vaster, Faster Than Thought: Studyby The Independent/UKThe East Antarctic icesheet, once seen as largely unaffected by global warming, has lost billions of tonnes of ice since 2006 and could boost sea levels in the