Re: [geo] Michael Mann: How Close Are We to ‘Dangerous’ Planetary Warming?

2015-12-26 Thread Bill Stahl
Mann’s ‘CDR only after reduction is agreed to have failed’ is an example of transitional rhetoric. An enormous number of activists have seen discussion of CDR as a distraction, as undermining the team strategy, and in extreme cases as a stab in the back – even though they’ve seen how

[geo] What are the most pressing questions on Moral hazard?

2015-12-26 Thread Andrew Lockley
I'm interested in the issue of moral hazard. There's been a little work done on this (eg by NERC, Merk et al.) However, it seems to have slipped off the agenda of the geoengineering community recently. I hear less mention of it now than I did a few years ago. I'm interested in researching it

[geo] Re: What are the most pressing questions on Moral hazard?

2015-12-26 Thread Brian Cady
Hi Andrew, I just stumbled over the following study linking changes in perception of climate change risk to presentation of geoengineering options. Interested? http://www.culturalcognition.net/browse-papers/geoengineering-and-the-science-communication-environment-a-c.html Brian On Saturday,

Re: [geo] What are the most pressing questions on Moral hazard?

2015-12-26 Thread Greg Rau
If by "geoengineering" you include CDR, then perhaps the reason this has "slipped off the [moral hazard] agenda" is that CDR has been officially declared essential to stay <=2C (IPCC et al.). There is now a moral hazard of not pursuing CDR(?) The more interesting question might be is there also

Re: [geo] List of current Geoengineering?

2015-12-26 Thread Hawkins, Dave
Calling prevention of desulfurization an example of geo-engineering seems excessively broad. That would mean "geo-engineering" includes any policy respecting emissions adopted with the intent to influence forcing due to emissions. And that would include policies to reduce GHG emissions. As

Re: [geo] List of current Geoengineering?

2015-12-26 Thread Andrew Lockley
For clarity, it's *preventing* the desulfurization of marine fuels that would be geoengineering. There's a strong case for cleaning them up, as they're very polluting and kill many people near ports. A On 26 Dec 2015 14:14, "NORTHCOTT Michael" wrote: > If desulfurizing

Re: [geo] List of current Geoengineering?

2015-12-26 Thread NORTHCOTT Michael
If desulfurizing marine fuels is geoengineering then any activity instigated to contribute to mitigation of anthropogenic climate change becomes geoengineering (rendering the term almost meaningless) including becoming a vegetarian (because of the significant climate impacts of meat rearing) or

Re: [geo] List of current Geoengineering?

2015-12-26 Thread Andrew Lockley
Alan, I actually feel this is a legitimate line of discussion for the GE group. Let's look, for example, at the issue of marine bunker fuels. They're currently being desulfurized, and this will have climate impacts. I think it's legitimate to describe this as 'geoengineering' - to the extent

Re: [geo] List of current Geoengineering?

2015-12-26 Thread 'Motoko' via geoengineering
Here a to be updated list of media responses on Cuck Long et al.'s paper. http://www.climate-engineering.eu/single/items/press-review-media-responses-to-charles-long-on-unintentional-geoengineering.html Best Nils Am 26.12.2015 um 19:46 schrieb Hawkins, Dave: Calling prevention of