Re: [geo] Evidence for deep-ocean frozen methane release VERY bad news?

2015-10-24 Thread Fred Zimmerman
Hi John, Just to be clear, I'm in favor of research, investigation, and action. But don't think that it's sufficiently persuasive to say to policy makers "by the time concentrations are rising rapidly, it will be too late." That simply will not be enough to trigger the drastic immediate action

Re: [geo] Evidence for deep-ocean frozen methane release VERY bad news?

2015-10-16 Thread Fred Zimmerman
Worrisome but as with all these bubble studies the data is sparse relative to the area covered so difficult to make any firm conclusions. A major large area study is needed: lots of sensors or a new remote sensing optoelectronic seismological or sonar technique exploiting bubble phenomenology.

Re: [geo] Evidence for deep-ocean frozen methane release VERY bad news?

2015-10-16 Thread Oliver Wingenter
Eric, I read a paper a few years back showing measurements of the the temperature of the Norwegian current increasing 2 degrees C since the 1970s. Oliver On 10/15/2015 8:28 AM, Eric Durbrow wrote: I found this recent article extremely disturbing but perhaps I am exaggerating the impact of

[geo] Evidence for deep-ocean frozen methane release VERY bad news?

2015-10-15 Thread Eric Durbrow
I found this recent article extremely disturbing but perhaps I am exaggerating the impact of possible deep-ocean methane release. Can someone provide a perspective? Is this a potential "game-over?” Eric Abstract: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GC005955/abstract Press Release:

Re: [geo] Evidence for deep-ocean frozen methane release VERY bad news?

2015-10-15 Thread Oliver Wingenter
to2.org> Date:10/15/2015 12:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: durb...@gmail.com, geoengineering <geoengineering@googlegroups.com> Cc: Subject: Re: [geo] Evidence for deep-ocean frozen methane release VERY bad news? The message seems to be that most methane is oxidised to CO2 in the water.

Re: [geo] Evidence for deep-ocean frozen methane release VERY bad news?

2015-10-15 Thread 'Maggie Zhou' via geoengineering
The East Siberia Arctic Shelf methane plumes are of even greater concern, as the ocean depth there is only tens of meters in vast areas (so much less weight to keep the lid on, and no time to oxidize the rising methane), the methane deposit in that area is the largest in the entire ocean, and a

Re: [geo] Evidence for deep-ocean frozen methane release VERY bad news?

2015-10-15 Thread Oliver Tickell
The message seems to be that most methane is oxidised to CO2 in the water. That means the main consequence may not be a warming one. Seas margin destabilisation leading to collapse and tsunamis would not be nice. Nor would spread of anoxia. Nor would additional ocean acidification. Oliver.