Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread dvisioni
f Andrew Lockley >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:28 AM >> To: Aaron Franklin >> Cc: geoengineering ; Arctic Methane Google >> Group >> Subject: Re: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget >> >> Aaron, >> >> As far as I know, you are th

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread Michael MacCracken
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Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread Andrew Lockley
> as this is a very limited resource that already is being wasted far too > much. > > > > *From:* geoengineering@googlegroups.com > *On Behalf Of *Douglas MacMartin > *Sent:* 11 April 2020 15:59 > *To:* andrew.lock...@gmail.com; Aaron Franklin > > *Cc:* geoengineering &

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread Michael MacCracken
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Re: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread Andrew Lockley
lf Of *Andrew Lockley > *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:28 AM > *To:* Aaron Franklin > *Cc:* geoengineering ; Arctic Methane > Google Group > *Subject:* Re: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget > > > > Aaron, > > > > As far as I know, you are the first person t

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread Stephen Salter
17:47 *To: *mmacc...@comcast.net <mailto:mmacc...@comcast.net>; geoengineering <mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com> *Subject: *Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget Dear Mike, That's what many of us are spending years trying to

RE: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread david.sevier
0 5:28 AM To: Aaron Franklin mailto:stateoftheart...@gmail.com> > Cc: geoengineering mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com> >; Arctic Methane Google Group mailto:arcticmeth...@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget Aaron, As far as I know, you a

RE: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread Douglas MacMartin
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Re: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread Andrew Lockley
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Re: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-11 Thread Aaron Franklin
>> So the only prudent way forward now is to start thinking in detail about >> what an SRM programme would be and how we would manage it. >> >> >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>

Re: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Andrew Lockley
> > > > *From: *Alan Robock ☮ > *Sent: *10 April 2020 17:47 > *To: *mmacc...@comcast.net; geoengineering > > *Subject: *Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget > > > > Dear Mike, > > That's what many of us are spending years trying to assess. Each > pote

RE: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Kevin Lister
thinking in detail about what an SRM programme would be and how we would manage it.  Kevin Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Robock ☮Sent: 10 April 2020 17:47To: mmacc...@comcast.net; geoengineeringSubject: Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget Dear Mike,That's what many of us are spending

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Michael MacCracken
Hi Alan--No question we need as much mitigation as possible, long- and short-lived species, conservation, efficiency improvement and resilience building/adaptation as possible. It seems to me that then the question is one of evaluating comparative impacts and uncertainties as best possible--an

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Andrew Lockley
Of course the sulfates have a short life. But, for small injections, the heat budget would net out. Of course, you could inject 1pc of the total every year. I dealt with this in more depth in a paper, but I never did the calculations. On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 17:43 Michael MacCracken, wrote: > Hi A

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Alan Robock ☮
Dear Mike, That's what many of us are spending years trying to assess.  Each potential benefit and risk has to be evaluated, and the answers depend on the specific scenarios of global warming and SRM implementation, as well as many assumptions that are made.   Since the answer to your questio

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Michael MacCracken
Hi Alan--Is there a comparative and comprehensive assessment that indicates that the risks from injecting sulfates into the stratosphere that you raise are greater than the alleviated risks from global warming that is cancelled out, and how this evaluation changes with amounts of warming and co

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Andrew Lockley
It's just a concept, for budgeting. No direct link to delivery On Fri, 10 Apr 2020, 17:31 Alan Robock ☮, wrote: > Dear Andrew, > > I'm not sure I understand. How do you propose to put the sulfate into the > stratosphere? And will you be personally responsible for your share of the > risks asso

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Stephen Salter
 . . . . and how would you get it back down if things got too cold because of another Tambora? Stephen Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design. School of Engineering, University of Edinburgh, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh EH9 3DW, Scotland s.sal...@ed.ac.uk, Tel +44 (0)131 662 1180 WWW.homepages.

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Daniele Visioni
Hi Andrew, It is not clear to me where your assertion “10kg sulphate in the stratosphere for every year of their life” comes from. The anthropic-emitted sulfate has a very short lifetime and mostly does not reache the stratosphere. That’s why the lifetime of that sulfate has generally a lifetime

Re: [geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Alan Robock ☮
Dear Andrew, I'm not sure I understand.  How do you propose to put the sulfate into the stratosphere?  And will you be personally responsible for your share of the risks associated with the impacts? Alan Alan Robock, Distinguished Professor Associate Editor, Reviews of Geophysics Departmen

[geo] Personal sulfate budget

2020-04-10 Thread Andrew Lockley
I've just run some numbers on what my 'personal sulfate budget' might be. By the calculations below, if a typical person put 10kg sulphate in the stratosphere for every year of their life, they'd net out their entire RF carbon footprint for a century. Obviously, this has a whole pile of caveats an