Re: [geo] Re: On when it might make sense for intervention to begin

2017-11-09 Thread Veli Albert Kallio
An inconvenient truth on when it might make sense for intervention to begin is that as long as other people keep digging carbon out of ground, others will be unwilling to pay for its extraction from the air. This is what I see as the ultimate political challenge as people wanting to do it will

Re: [geo] Re: On when it might make sense for intervention to begin

2017-11-08 Thread Michael Hayes
Mike & List, Going with the most well known is understandable. Yet SAI is actually, from a Polar perspective, not any more well known than Hydroxyl Cryogenesis Geotherapy or Global Electrical Circuit Enhancement. Polar modeling is a separate art. Michael Hayes On Nov 7, 2017 6:01 PM,

Re: [geo] Re: On when it might make sense for intervention to begin

2017-11-07 Thread Michael MacCracken
Hi Peter--I'm all for DAC and hoe you can scale up and do it as you suggest, but to limit impacts, we should not let the temperature go above 1.5 C and should be aiming to pull it down to less than 0.5 C, and I agree therefore that CDR is absolutely essential. I know nothing on pricing and

[geo] Re: On when it might make sense for intervention to begin

2017-11-07 Thread Michael MacCracken
Hi Michael--I am all for doing all the CDR one can do as well--and if it can be enough to keep the temperature near constant so SRM can be avoided, that would be fine. I am just not convinced there will be enough of a commitment to accomplish this, and so think that need SRM, and that we just

[geo] Re: On when it might make sense for intervention to begin

2017-11-06 Thread Michael MacCracken
Hi Doug--On the issue of seeking US Govt funding for research, I've also been concerned about pushing SRM research before the US Govt (including Congress) has committed to real emissions cutbacks. We were at least close to that point with Obama Admin, but not with the current situation, so I

Re: [geo] Re: On when it might make sense for intervention to begin

2017-11-06 Thread Peter Eisenberger
I believe the winner take all perspective is highly flawed and is a major contributor why those of us who share the concern for the climate risk are not being effective in making our case. The winner take all lanquage is appropriate for academic and commercial efforts but not for a Manhatten

[geo] Re: On when it might make sense for intervention to begin

2017-11-06 Thread Michael Hayes
Mike, Well said and reasonable. Yet we seem to be drawn to a winner takes all type of strategy. If stratospheric injection presents unknowns, as all large scale actions will, and time is of the essence, why not field as many a plausible to filter out, and or adjust, as many as possible. There

Re: [geo] RE: On when it might make sense for intervention to begin

2017-11-06 Thread Andrew Lockley
My personal view is that mitigation is inevitable, and driven by basic economics. The basic R may have benefitted from political support - but that period is largely over. I think inexorable mitigation will confound expectations just as stubborn emissions previously have. The question of when,

[geo] RE: On when it might make sense for intervention to begin

2017-11-06 Thread Douglas MacMartin
Hi Mike, I agree that the situation is far from black and white. Ultimately it's a bit of a judgment call, weighing the risks of what we don't know about solar geo against what we don't know about climate change, and more importantly perhaps, what we don't know about how people will behave