Re: [geo] you got that right

2009-11-19 Thread Greg Rau
Thanks for that, Dave. Correction: If Caldeira and Hoffert are right, that's 7x10^6 x 10^5 tons of glacier melted per day. ;-) - G Ad in Life magazine 1962.

Re: [geo] you got that right

2009-11-19 Thread Ron Larson
Dave (cc Ken and list): Thanks to Dave. 1. Since I doubt very much that the computation shown included anything on CO2 effects, I hope Ken can weigh in on this, per the discussion last week re: http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Warming-burning-091018.pdf 2.

Re: [geo] you got that right

2009-11-19 Thread Ken Caldeira
1 digit calculations just for orders of magnitude: If we assume a doubling of CO2 is 4 W / m2 and the earth is 5 x 10^14 m2, a doubling of CO2 traps about 2 x 10^15 W. If we assume 2 GtC / ppm, and think it takes say 300 ppm to double CO2, that is 600 GtC, 600 x 10^12 kgC = 6 * 10^14 GC, so each

Re: [geo] you got that right

2009-11-19 Thread Mike MacCracken
Actually, my calculations some years ago indicated that the ratio for one year was roughly 1--what gives the high ratio is the long persistence of the CO2 perturbation. Mike On 11/19/09 6:08 PM, Ron Larson rongretlar...@comcast.net wrote: Dave (cc Ken and list): Thanks to Dave. 1.

Re: [geo] you got that right

2009-11-19 Thread John Nissen
Hi Ken, Thanks very much for that. I'm particularly interested in your parenthetic comment at the end: "(I think that 75 was the ratio of current atmospheric CO2 radiative forcing to direct heating from fossil fuel burning, but I would need to go back to check.)" I had been wondering about