[geo] Sea spray geoengineering experiments in GeoMIP: Experimental design and preliminary results. Kravitz, JGR Atmospheres

2013-09-25 Thread Andrew Lockley
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrd.50856/abstract Abstract [1] Marine cloud brightening through sea spray injection has been proposed as a method of temporarily alleviating some of the impacts of anthropogenic climate change, as part of a set of technologies called geoengineering.

[geo] Time to rethink misguided policies that promote biofuels to protect climate

2013-09-25 Thread Andrew Lockley
Poster's note : critique applicable to BECS and BECCS geoengineering techniques Paper at : http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10584-013-0927-9P Discussion (below) at http://m.phys.org/news/2013-09-rethink-misguided-policies-biofuels-climate.html Time to rethink misguided policies that promote biofuels

Re: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread Ken Caldeira
Taking Ron Larson's comments into account, and also comments made separately by Fred Zimmerman and Mike MacCracken, a candidate definition now reads: *Geoengineering refers to activities * *(1) intended to modify climate* *(2) and that has a material effect on an international commons or across

[geo] Some whats, whys and worries of geoengineering - Online First - Springer

2013-09-25 Thread Andrew Lockley
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10584-013-0862-9 Abstract In this paper I discuss the nature of geoengineering, some of its attractions, and some reasons for concern. I claim that there is confusion in the use of the term ‘geoengineering’ that is related to larger concerns about the

Re: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread O Morton
I think there's a problem with intentended. It defines the act in terms of the mental stance of the actor, which is not open to objective scrutiny, This opens the possibility of large climate manipulations which are geoengineering to some but not to others, which I think is what you're trying

[geo] World won't cool without geoengineering, warns report - environment - New Scientist

2013-09-25 Thread Andrew Lockley
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24261-world-wont-cool-without-geoengineering-warns-report.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news#.UkLSzyO3PFo World won't cool without geoengineering, warns report 11:40 25 September 2013 by Fred Pearce Global warming is irreversible without massive

Re: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread O Morton
Ooops. I did what I was compaining about. Aimed at is as bad as intended. What i should have said: large-scale technological interventions that act to decouple climate outcomes from cumulative greenhouse-gas emissions. On Wednesday, 25 September 2013 11:56:06 UTC+1, O Morton wrote: I think

Re: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread Ken Caldeira
The problem is that in practice people use the word geoengineering to refer to things they don't like, don't want to see deployed, don't want to fund, seek to impede research on, etc. Geoengineering in practice is a pejorative term that has already been brought into legal parlance as a result of

[geo] Re: World won't cool without geoengineering, warns report - environment - New Scientist

2013-09-25 Thread Brian Cartwright
Let me point out that the source quoted in this article only said, CO2-induced warming is projected to remain approximately constant for many centuries following a complete cessation of emission. A large fraction of climate change is thus irreversible on a human timescale, except if net

Re: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread Ken Caldeira
Just got a note from some international legal experts saying that de minimis was an established standard but material effect is not well grounded in international law, so I now suggest this form: * * *Geoengineering refers to activities * *(1) intended to modify climate* *(2) and that has a

Re: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread Mike MacCracken
Hi Ken—It bothers me a bit that both definitions seem to limit geoengineering to affecting climate, when there are other ways that intervention might occur, such as to modify ocean acidity. Might it be that the definition should say “counteract human influences such as those on the climate and

RE: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread Hawkins, Dave
Ken, Another problem with your definition is that it would cover large scale efforts to prevent GHG emissions (since those would be taken with an intent to modify the climate from what it would be in the absence of the action). If your primary purpose in crafting a definition is to exclude

RE: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread Hawkins, Dave
Ken, Not to quibble, but when applied to preventing release of GHGs, reduction in GHG concentrations is also relative to a counterfactual. From: kcalde...@gmail.com [kcalde...@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Caldeira [kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu] Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread Ronal W. Larson
Ken, Jim, etal The following more responding to Jim than Ken. Warning - the comments are mostly from a biochar perspective, and may not even be representing that group. But I am trying also to represent many of the CDR approaches as well. The critical geo issue I don't see

Re: [geo] proposed definition of geoengineering, suitable for use in an international legal context (version 25 Sep 2013)

2013-09-25 Thread Ken Caldeira
I am open to refinement, but I think Dave Hawkins comments point out the merit of this approach. This approach is based on facts and not on counterfactuals. Avoiding emissions is not modifying climate. It is an avoidance of a modification to climate. A reduction in greenhouse gas concentrations