RE: [geo] Meanwhile: 'Irreversible' Melting Threatens 'Considerable Increase' to Sea Level Rise

2014-01-15 Thread Peter Flynn
This is a marvelous concept that is new to me. Envision a large number of such pipes installed in polar ice sheets. One might focus on two goals. The first would be to lower the temperature of the bottom of the ice sheet in order to promote its growth from the bottom. This has the merit of

Re: [geo] Case Study by Holly Buck on Haida Gwaii OIF demonstration

2014-01-15 Thread Holly Buck
Hi Jim, Part of the purpose of the piece is to show how such an event can have diverse and contested interpretations; I appreciate hearing yours and Gloria's perspectives. I do think the idea of village science is more than just a framing or PR, and worthy of further thought. For me village

[geo] Making ice (change of thread title)

2014-01-15 Thread Ronal W. Larson
Keith: I go through line by line - but deleting as much as I can. Mine all in bold caps. On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Keith Henson hkeithhen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Ronal W. Larson rongretlar...@comcast.net wrote: Keith: Again thanks Re- being able to

[geo] Building Climate Solutions Conference

2014-01-15 Thread Rau, Greg
Good news - looks like buildings, agriculture, and natural resources are going to do the heavy lifting in solving AGW. Geoengineers need not apply. Greg [Email-Banner-2]http://www.buildingclimatesolutions.org/

Re: [geo] Making ice (change of thread title)

2014-01-15 Thread Andrew Lockley
Personally, I can't see these thermal diodes being at all practical. Far cheaper and simpler to just break up the ice, or pump water on top of it. The maths is pretty simple. The thermal diode can only be at a temperature of the water, at a maximum. It's heat transfer is a function of the

[geo] Re: Making ice (change of thread title)

2014-01-15 Thread Keith Henson
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Ronal W. Larson rongretlar...@comcast.net wrote: Keith: I go through line by line - but deleting as much as I can. Mine all in bold caps. On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Keith Henson hkeithhen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Ronal W.

RE: [geo] Making ice (change of thread title)

2014-01-15 Thread Doug MacMartin
The only advantage is the disposition of the salt - making ice thicker at the bottom ensures that the salt stays in the water, not the ice. As has been pointed out before, we don't know what happens with the salt if you flood the ice from the top, nor whether higher-salinity ice creates a problem

Re: [geo] Making ice (change of thread title)

2014-01-15 Thread Andrew Lockley
Hi I accept that glacier grounding may have a use for thermal diodes, but in sea ice they're pretty useless. Breaking ice works well, because ice is an excellent thermal insulator. Icebreaker paths are cheap. Broken, the cold air hits the sea, and the water can also radiate to deep space. The