Re: [geo] Friends of the earth March 2014 advance briefing on AR5 Working Group 3 report

2014-03-16 Thread John Nissen
Hi all, FoE says the WG2 report on climate impacts will be published on March 29th and the WG3 report on pathways to avoid dangerous climate change will be published on April 11th. To quote from the WG3 summary by FoE: *It is still possible to reduce global carbon pollution fast enough and

Re: [geo] Friends of the earth March 2014 advance briefing on AR5 Working Group 3 report

2014-03-16 Thread Hawkins, Dave
John, You say-- the level of CO2 in the atmosphere has to be reduced if the world is to have any chance of keeping below 2 degrees C warming. If you are referring to today's level of CO2 in the atmosphere, what paper(s) can you point to that support this conclusion? As for the FOE comments

Re: [geo] Friends of the earth March 2014 advance briefing on AR5 Working Group 3 report

2014-03-16 Thread Ronal W. Larson
David, list, et al Re your ...what papers question below, I suggest that for me the most powerful are the many from Jim Hansen - clearly saying that even 350 ppm is probably not enough. He has mentioned in his papers both biochar and afforestation in the CDR area. I presume you

Re: [geo] Friends of the earth March 2014 advance briefing on AR5 Working Group 3 report

2014-03-16 Thread Hawkins, Dave
In asking my question, I was not implying that 2 degrees was the best goal; only looking for a cite that current CO2 concentrations are incompatible with 2 degrees. I read Meinshausen, et al to say that current CO2 concentrations are not incompatible with 2 degrees. Of course, this is

Re: [geo] Friends of the earth March 2014 advance briefing on AR5 Working Group 3 report

2014-03-16 Thread Ronal W. Larson
John, list etal: I believe you have misread the FoE material a little. I take some hopes from their predictions of what is coming in Vol. III of AR5. I presume they would not have written as they have if they did not have a copy of a draft. The previous leaks reported by Reuters

Re: [geo] Friends of the earth March 2014 advance briefing on AR5 Working Group 3 report

2014-03-16 Thread Hawkins, Dave
FWIW, I don't think that the reduce paragraph in the FOE release is a WGIII quote, so no sense guessing at what reduce global carbon pollution might mean in the mind of WGIII authors. In most usage I have seen, reduce carbon pollution means to lower the amount of current and future carbon

RE: [geo] Friends of the earth March 2014 advance briefing on AR5 Working Group 3 report

2014-03-16 Thread Hawkins, Dave
Yes, this clarifies the matter. When the commitment to various future temperatures is spoken of, we are talking about temperatures reached at equilibrium. Today's CO2 concentration (along with other GHGs) if maintained permanently at today's levels, would result in equilibrium temperature

Re: [geo] Friends of the earth March 2014 advance briefing on AR5 Working Group 3 report

2014-03-16 Thread Ronal W. Larson
David, list, etal a few inserts below On Mar 16, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Hawkins, Dave dhawk...@nrdc.org wrote: FWIW, I don't think that the reduce paragraph in the FOE release is a WGIII quote, so no sense guessing at what reduce global carbon pollution might mean in the mind of WGIII