[geo] Re: UK Independent: Russian team shocked at scale of methane plumes

2011-12-21 Thread Nathan Currier
Hi, Josh - I'll take up your comments later, but first, I mentioned the simple use of ground-based SO2 emissions as a practical way to fight hydrate releases for now, which should be more or less socially acceptable and could possibly therefore be undertaken very soon as suggested by John Nissen

[geo] Re: UK Independent: Russian team shocked at scale of methane plumes

2011-12-20 Thread Josh Horton
Hi Nathan, What concerns me is that the argument you present is based on conjecture. Your conjecture may be correct, I have no idea, and informed speculation is entirely appropriate for this type of forum, but some are now asking policy-makers to make deployment decisions in the absence of hard,

[geo] Re: UK Independent: Russian team shocked at scale of methane plumes

2011-12-19 Thread Nathan Currier
Hi, Josh – I think one is seeing what you’d expect to be able to see: rather large perturbations from background levels right around large plumes, by as much as ~100ppb, I believe, and then progressively smaller deviations from background when considering larger regions, with the whole arctic sea

[geo] Re: UK Independent: Russian team shocked at scale of methane plumes

2011-12-18 Thread Nathan Currier
Hi, John list – Until now, my view has generally been that we should try like crazy to get some rapid SLCF declines, by promoting a separate near-term-focused emissions strategy, in an attempt to blunt accelerating arctic methane emissions, while at the same time researching geoengineering

[geo] Re: UK Independent: Russian team shocked at scale of methane plumes

2011-12-18 Thread Josh Horton
Nathan, John, et al., One aspect of the methane issue bothers me in particular: is there evidence indicating a significant increase in the rate of methane release in the ESAS over the past decade? Anecdotal evidence from the most recent Russian expedition suggests an increased rate of release,

Re: [geo] Re: UK Independent: Russian team shocked at scale of methane plumes

2011-12-17 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi Folks, If you go back to the April and look at the weather in the Siberian region, you will see that a large warm air mass sat above Siberia for some time. It appeared to me that this early warming of the land would generate early warm river waters infusing into the down current hydrate

Re: [geo] Re: UK Independent: Russian team shocked at scale of methane plumes

2011-12-17 Thread John Nissen
Hi Michael, I am chair of the recently formed Arctic Methane Emergency Group and we launched our report in the form of a brochure at the AGU last week [1], as reported in the Independent [2] and New Scientist [3]. The Russians researching the East Siberian Arctic Shelf (ESAS) are well aware of

[geo] Re: UK Independent: Russian team shocked at scale of methane plumes

2011-12-15 Thread Nathan Currier
It's interesting how the methane hotspots in the map accompanying the article seem mostly around river mouths could this be utilized in conceptualizing remedies? I remember a Shakova paper talking about the role of riverine flow in terms of breaking up winter icebut there must be other

[geo] Re: UK Independent: Russian team shocked at scale of methane plumes

2011-12-15 Thread Nathan Currier
Just checking in Shakhova, she mentions that what she calls flaw polynyas - the areas of open water in winter - have quintupled in the last two decades, and now cover an area = to all thermokarst lakes in summer. It's strongly driven by riverine flow, so, while the map for the article is very