Re: [geo] paywalls

2018-08-05 Thread Stephen Salter
Douglas So we just send each other email attachments.  It is quicker and draws attention to each publication.  If people think that enough other people are less likely to cite their work the battle will be won. The whole idea of money is to prevent excess consumption of a limited resource.

Re: [geo] paywalls

2018-08-05 Thread Douglas MacMartin
Some of us don’t have research budgets to cover publishing open-access (indeed, some of my funding explicitly doesn’t cover any publication fees at all). Given that there is almost zero public funding in this field in the US, most US geoengineering papers probably aren’t generated with public

Re: [geo] paywalls

2018-08-05 Thread Stephen Salter
Hi All The turnover of Elsevier in 2017 was £2.478 billion. The profit was 36.8%. Suppose that nobody cited papers which appeared behind a paywall . . . . Stephen On 05/08/2018 01:47, Alan Robock wrote: Dear All, Yes, I support open access for all research already paid for by public

Re: [geo] paywalls

2018-08-04 Thread Alan Robock
Dear All, Yes, I support open access for all research already paid for by public funds.  Many journals make papers free after a year or two, but many still require a subscription.  I know AMS and AGU are trying to decide how to maintain their business model if open access is required.  They

Re: [geo] paywalls

2018-08-04 Thread Andrew Lockley
One of the most troubling effects of paywalls, particularly in a controversial discipline like CE, is that journalists often end up relying on garbled and incomplete press releases. This 'Chinese whispers" approach, with at least two intermediaries between scientists and the public, does a grave

Re: [geo] paywalls

2018-08-04 Thread Charles Greene
How about a single-payer system? The Library of Congress subscribes to all of the journals and makes them freely available online to all tax-paying citizens. Your password is issued to you when your federal income taxes are filed! Just like single-payer healthcare, this would enable the

Re: [geo] paywalls

2018-08-04 Thread Michael MacCracken
I'd just add on behalf of openness that much of the research is already being paid for by the taxpayer and that those in the public, especially on issues that are of significant public concern and interest, argue that they should have free access to the results and not have to pay further.

Re: [geo] paywalls

2018-08-04 Thread Ronal W. Larson
Alan: I agree with all you wrote - but I think it great also that we have more papers all the time that are NOT behind a paywall. I am not taking this personally - and am glad you responded below. I have been a AAAS member for possibly 40 years and I get great value from that